Should every woman have a gun?

[Central Slavia]

Every woman and every man, as long as they pass some basic criteria. (no violent crime history, passing a mental health check)

[Ikania]

Every woman who wants one and can afford one, yes. Otherwise, a brick in the purse works wonders.

And another one in the pocket to balance the other brick.

[Gaiserin]

Ehem.. Obviously not every woman shouldn't have a firearm for the same reason not every man shouldn't either.

[Kernen]

Strength isn't as important depending on the knife. Sharper one or ones with pointy edges will minimize any need for strength as long as you can cut. Though I see how a gun is easier to learn I've also learned a few ways to disarm one though that usually won't matter for the attacker as they don't have much of the martial arts experience I do.

What kind of knife fighting do you know that ignores grappling, blocking, and punching/grabbing with the offhand? Women already come up short on upper body strength by comparison, why give them another disadvantage?

[Chernoslavia]

Yeah, but Wyatt was a deputy - nearly a cop.

I'm not saying that pistols don't have a place in society. I'm just saying that the long gun is what defines us.

The long gun is what created the U.S.

If handguns were so 'Murikan we would not be using M1s in military funeral ceremonies.

Thats the M14. M1s are used in Navy ceremonies.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Regarding men as a class of oppressors has nothing to do with biological essentialism. It's patriarchy that commits biological essentialism by designating gender identity, expression and roles to people based on their genital shape in the first place.

Regarding men as a class of oppressors ignores in a very real sense the fact that patriarchy is perpetuated by men and women. It may primarily benefit men, but men are not, as a class, responsible for patriarchy. Women suffer disproportionately, but women are also the oppressors. Men suffer somewhat less, but men are also the oppressed.

This class of oppressors bullshit does nothing but blow hot air.

In Brazilian left-leaning politics it's common sense that women can't be sexist against themselves as they don't profit from it, neither individually, and much less as a group.

That is because institutional/structural sexism is perpetuated through male supremacist ideologies and/or intentions (yes, that includes infantilizing women, or regarding them as walking wombs and naturally nurturing, or prioritizing them for said "use" or views), just like racism is about white supremacy, heterosexism is about heterosexual supremacy, cissexism is about cisge... ad nauseam, you get it.

Anyone is entitled to their views, though.

[Herargon]

Wearing a gun because somebody is just being polite and nice to you is blatant and unnecessary; also, if it was for you OP, WOMEN should be able to get guns...? Why not men too? Emancipation.

But that's none of my business, since I am a Dutch man.

[Nadkor]

And I'm sure you don't mean to offend, no?

I really couldn't care less.

[Augarundus]

So... basically, you're saying that:

Man: "Hey"

Woman: "Rapist!" *gun shots*

I really don't think you've thought this through.

Given that:
A) Women are currently able to own guns.
and
B) This doesn't happen very frequently.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with this post.

[Lingang]

And I'm sure you don't mean to offend, no?

I really couldn't care less.

So I view women as objects available for my pleasure for the price of a compliment?

[Spoder]

So... basically, you're saying that:

Man: "Hey"

Woman: "Rapist!" *gun shots*

I really don't think you've thought this through.

I'm concerned with setting the precedent of a woman shooting some man over something not so bad like a greeting. I think men also should tip their hats or nod downward if they're going to compliment a woman.

Son, I don't think you've read this through.

As society has progressed, these conventions have been abandoned.

Despite the aftermath sometimes, perhaps often being unacceptable, women at least have the social right to refuse a man.

I really don't like the backwards ideas you are presenting.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

In that case, saying that the problem is how men are taught to treat women would have sufficed. Saying that "men" not "some men" not, "most men" but men is condemning every person born with a Y chromosome, even those aware of and opposed to the patriarchy.

*Every person designated at birth and socialized as male with said gender identity

Not all people born with testicular genitalia have a Y chromosome, and many people with a Y chrosome are female, socialized as female, or non-binary, in an immense variety of ways.

[Nadkor]

No, the problem is men and how society teaches men to view women as objects available for their pleasure for the price of a compliment.

Fixed that for you.

Don't do that.

Coming into a thread that, at heart, is basically about men lacking in basic respect for women and "fixing" something a woman says really doesn't look good for you.

I am capable of expressing my opinions without you correcting me. I meant exactly what I said.

You are really coming off as a sexist yourself the way you choose your words.

By including the words I crossed out you are giving the impression that me having a Y chromosome is something I should be ashamed of. Fuck that.

Not all men.

[Spoder]

The long gun is what created the U.S.

If handguns were so 'Murikan we would not be using M1s in military funeral ceremonies.

Thats the M14. M1s are used in Navy ceremonies.

Are you sure?

All I've found are either M4s or M1As.

[Central Slavia]

I think it's frankly fucking ridiculous to suggest that women should have to carry a gun rather than men simply showing a basic level of respect for other people and refraining from harassing women, especially when it's repeatedly been made pretty fucking clear that it's not wanted.

Is the sense of self-entitlement held by men so great that instead of saying "okay, I think we should probably leave women alone since they don't seem to like what we're doing and have asked us to stop" they say "okay, I'm going to keep harassing women even though they don't like it and have made pretty clear that they'd rather we stopped, but if they really wanted to stop us they'd have a gun"?

Fuck. That.

This is, frankly, an absurd stance.
If preventing crimes was this simple, there would be none, certainly no violent crimes. The problem is that rapists and other unsavoury individuals will do what they want despite everyone "making it pretty fucking clear that it's not wanted".
The best that can be done in the remaining case is taking care to protect oneself.

[Conserative Morality]

In Brazilian left-leaning politics it's common sense that women can't be sexist against themselves as they don't profit from it, neither individually, and much less as a group.

That's ridiculous. People oppose their own interests all the time, both individually and as groups. That's a very basic concept of the era of mass politics.

That is because institutional/structural sexism is perpetuated through male supremacist ideologies and/or intentions (yes, that includes infantilizing women, or regarding them as walking wombs and naturally nurturing, or prioritizing them for said "use" or views), just like racism is about white supremacy, heterosexism is about heterosexual supremacy, cissexism is about cisge... ad nauseam, you get it.

And yet racism, despite being about white supremacy (Usually), is just as often perpetuated by victims as the beneficiaries.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Someone could get offended

Because they can't put their personal sentiments as a non-priority for issues much bigger than their exceptional resistance to the standard mode of male socialization in [yes, even contemporary] patriarchal societies when it comes to sexuality.

[Sanctissima]

So... basically, you're saying that:

Man: "Hey"

Woman: "Rapist!" *gun shots*

I really don't think you've thought this through.

I'm concerned with setting the precedent of a woman shooting some man over something not so bad like a greeting. I think men also should tip their hats or nod downward if they're going to compliment a woman. I believe anything else is creepy.

Son, I don't think you've read this through.

I've read your argument quite thoroughly. Basically, from what I can gather, you're living in a 1950's timeloop since you think that most men wear hats, let alone the tipable variety.

You want to solve rape? You aren't going to do it by making any form of male-female interaction above a common "hello" grounds for death by firing squad.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Strength isn't as important depending on the knife. Sharper one or ones with pointy edges will minimize any need for strength as long as you can cut. Though I see how a gun is easier to learn I've also learned a few ways to disarm one though that usually won't matter for the attacker as they don't have much of the martial arts experience I do.

What kind of knife fighting do you know that ignores grappling, blocking, and punching/grabbing with the offhand? Women already come up short on upper body strength by comparison, why give them another disadvantage?

Oh we have that too but women train with us as well heck I've seen little girls beat the snot (not full contact but overwhelm the male) out of people in sparring. Strength doesn't matter as much though while necessary if you know what to do (escapes, blocks, eye strikes, nut strikes, neck strikes, getting the pressure points). However I see if yoy don't know how to do this stuff a gun is much more useful to you than to me. Besides we're not fully knife fighting as we mainly train in hand to hand and feet but weapons are a good portion of our training.

[Nadkor]

Regarding men as a class of oppressors has nothing to do with biological essentialism. It's patriarchy that commits biological essentialism by designating gender identity, expression and roles to people based on their genital shape in the first place.

In that case, saying that the problem is how men are taught to treat women would have sufficed. Saying that "men" not "some men" not, "most men" but men is condemning every person born with a Y chromosome, even those aware of and opposed to the patriarchy.

Seriously, wording matters. Reading what Nadkor wrote fucking hurt.

Yeah? Well maybe try getting over it.

Reading what I wrote didn't hurt half as much as a woman being attacked for not responding to some asshole in the street telling her that he's sure she has a pretty smile and why doesn't she smile for him.

[New Aerios]

Regarding men as a class of oppressors ignores in a very real sense the fact that patriarchy is perpetuated by men and women. It may primarily benefit men, but men are not, as a class, responsible for patriarchy. Women suffer disproportionately, but women are also the oppressors. Men suffer somewhat less, but men are also the oppressed.

This class of oppressors bullshit does nothing but blow hot air.

In Brazilian left-leaning politics it's common sense that women can't be sexist against themselves as they don't profit from it, neither individually, and much less as a group.

That is because institutional/structural sexism is perpetuated through male supremacist ideologies and/or intentions (yes, that includes infantilizing women, or regarding them as walking wombs and naturally nurturing, or prioritizing them for said "use" or views), just like racism is about white supremacy, heterosexism is about heterosexual supremacy, cissexism is about cisge... ad nauseam, you get it.

Anyone is entitled to their views, though.

Firstly, the world does not revolve around Brazilian left-leaning politics. Secondly, your view of "common sense" is silly, and your view of discrimination is silly. However rare they may be, we still have female supremacists, black supremacists, heterophobes, the "die cis scum" types. They do exist. They aren't common, but they certainly exist.

[ESTU]

are proposing that it be a law? I don't think that would be very practical. What about women who aren't allowed to own one for one reason or another? Shaperones? If a woman wants to walk down a ghetto on her own with nothing to defend herself, that's her business. I mean, I wouldn't let my daughter do that and I would insist on accompanying my sister or wife if they decided to do that. AS a general rule though, I don't think it should be obligatory.

[Nadkor]

I really couldn't care less.

So I view women as objects available for my pleasure for the price of a compliment?

I don't know.

Do you?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

And yet racism, despite being about white supremacy (Usually), is just as often perpetuated by victims as the beneficiaries.

The concept of internalization is used in this case.

Perpetuating misogyny/sexism because you're internalized or because you have an amount of privilege in it is different from being actively misogynistic/sexist. Women don't empower themselves with such sentiments. Men do. No woman is empowered by said ideologies because inferiority, lesser status and so on of women is inherent to their core points.

[Spoder]

Fixed that for you.

Don't do that.

Coming into a thread that, at heart, is basically about men lacking in basic respect for women and "fixing" something a woman says really doesn't look good for you.

I am capable of expressing my opinions without you correcting me. I meant exactly what I said.

You are really coming off as a sexist yourself the way you choose your words.

By including the words I crossed out you are giving the impression that me having a Y chromosome is something I should be ashamed of. Fuck that.

Not all men.

I am a feminist.

I identify as a pansexual male, of the male sex.

And it hurts when I see bullshit like this. It's important to use proper wording. If, god forbid I said that women do something and not most women, the TERFS would rain holy hell upon me.

Feminism goes both ways. It's about equal rights and the same social conventions for both sexes.