by Cetacea » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:42 am
by Keyboard Warriors » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:47 am
Cetacea wrote:To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services
(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )
by Australian rePublic » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:50 am
by Risottia » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:58 am
Cetacea wrote:But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
by Quintium » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:05 am
by Vitaphone Racing » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:07 am
Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
by Quintium » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:12 am
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.
by Cetacea » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:20 am
Quintium wrote:If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse
, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.
by Keyboard Warriors » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:26 am
Cetacea wrote:Quintium wrote:If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse
if that was the case then the children should not have been returned to the parents care - hence the possibility of welfare incompetence
, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.
which could have been dealt with by normal police
and the actually events (from the little we do know) shows that no such rioting took place - surely a normal police presence would be enough and the riot squad could have been called in only if required.
Its my opinion that the Riot squad should not be the first response to a welfare case ...
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:34 am
Vitaphone Racing wrote:A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.
by Costa Fierro » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:47 am
by Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:49 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Registug » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:59 am
Vitaphone Racing wrote:A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.
by New Chalcedon » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:08 am
Cetacea wrote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11324084
So footage has been shown on Aboriginal TV apparently showing police officers dressed in riot gear raiding a home to remove multiple children from one family. The police have confirmed that the raid did occur as part of department of Family and Community Services child protection case.
However although the kids spent 5 months in foster care, the parents have not been charged and the children are now back with their parents.
In response to criticisms the Welfare department have said "NSW police provide critical protection in often very complex and difficult child protection matters. Police only attend a child protection issue after a stringent risk assessment."
Now for those who don't know Aboriginals (the indigenous people of Australia) suffer significant racism in Australia, many live in impoverished conditions and have significant alcholism and abuse statistics. There is also significant sensitivity due to the old 'stolen generation' policy which up to the 70's involved Aboriginal children being forcibly removed from their homes and adopted into White families.
Anyway what say you NSG? Is sending riot police into a Child removal situation justified? or does the trauma suffered by the children outweigh safety concerns from Welfare staff.
I'm not suggesting the parents were squeaky clean - a tour of the Aboriginal family house shows that it is clean, but there are holes in the walls and apparently they have had run ins with the law before. But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services
(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )
by Ainin » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:32 am
Quintium wrote:If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:38 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Agritum wrote:Indeed.
I mean, it isn't very hard to find at least some Austrialians who aren't racist against aboriginals and the likes of that. People are different.
It's almost as though Vitaphone is himself Australian and somewhat better-placed to comment on treatment of Aborigines in his country than a bunch of yanks.
by Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:50 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:It's almost as though Vitaphone is himself Australian and somewhat better-placed to comment on treatment of Aborigines in his country than a bunch of yanks.
It's fine to negatively stereotype and cast aspersions on a group if you're part of it and that somehow automatically becomes accurate rather than a oversimplistic caricature? Is that what you're saying?
And for someone with the sig you've got, well you're not doing very well at not assuming everyone is American.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Donut section » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:54 am
Ainin wrote:Quintium wrote:If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.
What is riot police supposed to do against people with guns exactly? Whack them with plastic shields?
by Macedom » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:36 am
Cetacea wrote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11324084
So footage has been shown on Aboriginal TV apparently showing police officers dressed in riot gear raiding a home to remove multiple children from one family. The police have confirmed that the raid did occur as part of department of Family and Community Services child protection case.
However although the kids spent 5 months in foster care, the parents have not been charged and the children are now back with their parents.
In response to criticisms the Welfare department have said "NSW police provide critical protection in often very complex and difficult child protection matters. Police only attend a child protection issue after a stringent risk assessment."
Now for those who don't know Aboriginals (the indigenous people of Australia) suffer significant racism in Australia, many live in impoverished conditions and have significant alcholism and abuse statistics. There is also significant sensitivity due to the old 'stolen generation' policy which up to the 70's involved Aboriginal children being forcibly removed from their homes and adopted into White families.
Anyway what say you NSG? Is sending riot police into a Child removal situation justified? or does the trauma suffered by the children outweigh safety concerns from Welfare staff.
I'm not suggesting the parents were squeaky clean - a tour of the Aboriginal family house shows that it is clean, but there are holes in the walls and apparently they have had run ins with the law before. But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services
(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )
by Ainin » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:01 am
Donut section wrote:Ainin wrote:What is riot police supposed to do against people with guns exactly? Whack them with plastic shields?
People with guns?
Australia?
I'm Australian and have unfortunately had a fair amount to do with crime and criminals and the only people who were interested in guns were the police.
Not saying that there aren't Australians who have guns, just that it seems weird to see people concerned about guns over here.
by Tubbsalot » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:02 am
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.
Quintium wrote:Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.
by Cenetra » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:59 pm
Quintium wrote:Vitaphone Racing wrote:Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.
Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.
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