War on white people?

[Mavorpen]

Once again, the resumes didn't list out the race of any of the applicants. If the qualifications were exactly the same, the employers are just going to pick whichever names they like best. Since this was in the US and not Mozambique, the "White" sounding names won out.

Right.

And that's racist bullshit, whether conscious or unconscious.

It's like being told that a black guy was rejected for an office job because he was too dark, and then replying, "Oh no, that has nothing to do with race, your skin is just abnormal, and they're not comfortable with you, so they're naturally going to go with the lighter skin, because that's what they like best. Nothing wrong with that."

[Blakk Metal]

Names actually do have an effect on success.

Why yes, that's what I'm arguing.

What's your point?

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured. The best way to solve this problem would not be 'reverse' discrimination, but hiding any names and education institutions listed on the resume from the reviewers until absolutely vital.

[Mavorpen]

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured.

So in other words, it's because of racism. Got it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Why yes, that's what I'm arguing.

What's your point?

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured. The best way to solve this problem would not be 'reverse' discrimination, but hiding any names and education institutions listed on the resume from the reviewers until absolutely vital.

Why are they stupid?

[Mavorpen]

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured. The best way to solve this problem would not be 'reverse' discrimination, but hiding any names and education institutions listed on the resume from the reviewers until absolutely vital.

Why are they stupid?

And for that matter, what makes them more "manufactured" than ANY name, period. Or even any WORD?

[Norstal]

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured. The best way to solve this problem would not be 'reverse' discrimination, but hiding any names and education institutions listed on the resume from the reviewers until absolutely vital.

Why are they stupid?

Because they sound weird and made up!

Nevermind that names doesn't affect your skills or work ethics, but you know. If it sounds weird, don't hire them!

[Blakk Metal]

Once again, the resumes didn't list out the race of any of the applicants. If the qualifications were exactly the same, the employers are just going to pick whichever names they like best. Since this was in the US and not Mozambique, the "White" sounding names won out.

Right.

And that's racist bullshit, whether conscious or unconscious.

1. Names aren't genetic. They can be easily changed.
2. It isn't only black names.

Why are they stupid?

And for that matter, what makes them more "manufactured" than ANY name, period. Or even any WORD?

They were made up after the 1960's. Most American names are centuries old names of Semitic, Germanic, Romantic, or Celtic origin.

Why are they stupid?

Because they sound weird and made up!

Nevermind that names doesn't affect your skills or work ethics

Neither do assless chaps.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Right.

And that's racist bullshit, whether conscious or unconscious.

1. Names aren't genetic. They can be easily changed.
2. It isn't only black names.

1. So Lamont should change his name to Michael to appease the bigotry of recruiters? Maybe recruiters should focus on the actual qualifications rather than the name.
2. That has literally nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[Mavorpen]

They were made up after the 1960's. Most American names are centuries old names of Semitic, Germanic, Romantic, or Celtic origin.

Doesn't answer my question. What makes them more "manufactured" or even stupid?

[Rio Cana]

If I recall correctly, Poles actually had it easier than most other non-Western European immigrants in America. If it wasn't for the high German-Slavic mixture than it was for the prevailing stereotype at the time that Poles were hard workers (while Italians were lazy good-for-nothings.) Of course, the vast majority of Poles were still Catholic and had to deal with that sh!t.

Poles also made good fighters. Some got involved in the US civil war. One particular one who left Poland which at that time was part of Russia, made his way to the US. He later fought in the US civil war. He later got involved in the Cuba war of Independence. He rose up in the ranks to become Major General. He even became the first treasurer of Cuba after they had won the war.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Roloff

One of the bonds he signed has treasurer. And more information on him.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/c ... -149572158

Mail stamps with his portrait
http://www.cubacollectibles.com/Merchan ... ck-252.jpg

A portrait of him
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/roloff.htm

Edit - Found out another Pole immigrant to Cuba started the first Communist Party in Cuba in 1925. Seems he advised the current leaders when they took power over 50 years ago on the workings of the Communist system.
Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Grobart

[Mavorpen]

Here's the funny part about all of this: the study that I referred to also discusses "social" implications behind the names. In other words, it explores a number of excuses that would, and have been before, given to try to explain this away using ANYTHING other than just plain racism, whether conscious or not.

For example, they studied what happens if you change the address of the applicant. See, one of the ideas to explain this is that perhaps there is simply a belief that these names are associated with individuals from poor and uneducated neighborhoods. Therefore, if you change the address from a poor neighborhood, to one that is more wealthy, the negative effects of the name will be wiped away.

Turns out, it's true, and this does work. But only for whites. If you change the address for the black applicant to a Whiter and more educated neighborhood, the gap measured doesn't disappear. Even raising their credentials doesn't do much to help them. Every single measure of perception of social background attached to the name of the applicant showed no positive correlation. So no, explaining this away as "well, maybe the employers are just worried about their background, and not their race" has utterly no standing based on evidence.

[Norstal]

Neither do assless chaps.

You're comparing names to clothing?

So according to you then us East Asians are far more superior as a race? Cool. 100% guaranteed employment here I come.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

They were made up after the 1960's. Most American names are centuries old names of Semitic, Germanic, Romantic, or Celtic origin.

That doesn't answer my question. Why are they stupid?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Nevermind that names doesn't affect your skills or work ethics

Neither do assless chaps.

Assless chaps? The name "Lamont", or the name "Lakeisha" is the equivalent of assless chaps?

No, the name "Twatty McFuckface" would be the equivalent of assless chaps, and I can see how an employer would have a legitimate interest in not taking on that sort of distraction, much to the likely dismay of the McFuckface clan. You're comparing apples and...well, assless chaps.

[Blakk Metal]

So Lamont should change his name to Michael to appease the bigotry of recruiters? Maybe recruiters should focus on the actual qualifications rather than the name.

"So Lamont should put on pants to appease the bigotry of servers? Maybe restaurants should focus on his money rather than the lack of clothing."

They were made up after the 1960's. Most American names are centuries old names of Semitic, Germanic, Romantic, or Celtic origin.

Doesn't answer my question. What makes them more "manufactured" or even stupid?

They are young, usually made up at birth and fucking weird.

Neither do assless chaps.

You're comparing names to clothing?

So according to you then us East Asians are far more superior as a race?

In some respects, yes.

Neither do assless chaps.

Assless chaps? The name "Lamont", or the name "Lakeisha" is the equivalent of assless chaps?

No, the name "Twatty McFuckface" would be the equivalent of assless chaps, and I can see how an employer would have a legitimate interest in not taking on that sort of distraction, much to the likely dismay of the McFuckface clan. You're comparing apples and...well, assless chaps.

Conceded, it's more like wearing a v-shirt in an office.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So Lamont should change his name to Michael to appease the bigotry of recruiters? Maybe recruiters should focus on the actual qualifications rather than the name.

"So Lamont should put on pants to appease the bigotry of servers? Maybe restaurants should focus on his money rather than the lack of clothing."

Doesn't answer my question. What makes them more "manufactured" or even stupid?

They are young, usually made up at birth and fucking weird.

You're comparing names to clothing?

So according to you then us East Asians are far more superior as a race?

In some respects, yes.

Assless chaps? The name "Lamont", or the name "Lakeisha" is the equivalent of assless chaps?

No, the name "Twatty McFuckface" would be the equivalent of assless chaps, and I can see how an employer would have a legitimate interest in not taking on that sort of distraction, much to the likely dismay of the McFuckface clan. You're comparing apples and...well, assless chaps.

Conceded, it's more like wearing a v-shirt in an office.

NO, IT'S NONE OF THESE THINGS.

There is nothing inherently offensive or even informal about the name "Lamont", or "Lakeisha". Why do you think that there is?

And please answer my earlier question: What makes these names stupid? So they're young. So they're manufactured. All names were manufactured at some point!

[Mavorpen]

They are young, usually made up at birth and fucking weird.

STILL doesn't answer my question. What makes them more manufactured or stupid? What OBJECTIVE measure are you using to judge "stupidity" or "weirdness"? Why do you seem to believe that European names were given to humans by the Heavens and that they WEREN'T made up at birth?

Also, have you even fucking read the study being referred to here? We're talking about names including Jamal, who weren't created after the 1960s and who actually have a basis in an old language like Arabic?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why yes, that's what I'm arguing.

What's your point?

It's not because of racism, it's because 'black' names are stupid and manufactured. The best way to solve this problem would not be 'reverse' discrimination, but hiding any names and education institutions listed on the resume from the reviewers until absolutely vital.

What in the living fuck is this even?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"So Lamont should put on pants to appease the bigotry of servers? Maybe restaurants should focus on his money rather than the lack of clothing."

They are young, usually made up at birth and fucking weird.

In some respects, yes.

Conceded, it's more like wearing a v-shirt in an office.

NO, IT'S NONE OF THESE THINGS.

There is nothing inherently offensive or even informal about the name "Lamont", or "Lakeisha". Why do you think that there is?

And please answer my earlier question: What makes these names stupid? So they're young. So they're manufactured. All names were manufactured at some point!

Even I know my first name is manufactured and just pulled out of someone's ass and it's one of the oldest first names in the English language. I mean holy shit, I agree with you, but holy shit with this guy.

[The Serbian Empire]

Neither do assless chaps.

Assless chaps? The name "Lamont", or the name "Lakeisha" is the equivalent of assless chaps?

No, the name "Twatty McFuckface" would be the equivalent of assless chaps, and I can see how an employer would have a legitimate interest in not taking on that sort of distraction, much to the likely dismay of the McFuckface clan. You're comparing apples and...well, assless chaps.

Lamont isn't a problem to me. Lakeisha on the other hand sort of reminds me of someone trying to pass a turd.

[Mavorpen]

Assless chaps? The name "Lamont", or the name "Lakeisha" is the equivalent of assless chaps?

No, the name "Twatty McFuckface" would be the equivalent of assless chaps, and I can see how an employer would have a legitimate interest in not taking on that sort of distraction, much to the likely dismay of the McFuckface clan. You're comparing apples and...well, assless chaps.

Lamont isn't a problem to me. Lakeisha on the other hand sort of reminds me of someone trying to pass a turd.

Hebrew is an intense language, but I wouldn't go that far.

[Mavorpen]

NO, IT'S NONE OF THESE THINGS.

There is nothing inherently offensive or even informal about the name "Lamont", or "Lakeisha". Why do you think that there is?

And please answer my earlier question: What makes these names stupid? So they're young. So they're manufactured. All names were manufactured at some point!

Even I know my first name is manufactured and just pulled out of someone's ass and it's one of the oldest first names in the English language. I mean holy shit, I agree with you, but holy shit with this guy.

The names aren't any different from common names that were essentially invented a long time ago in the way they were formed. Many of them are based on common Hebrew or Arabic names/words, with the ones starting with "la" drawing inspiration from French, which played, and still does to an extent today, a large role in the culture of a lot of African American communities in the south.

[The Serbian Empire]

Lamont isn't a problem to me. Lakeisha on the other hand sort of reminds me of someone trying to pass a turd.

Hebrew is an intense language, but I wouldn't go that far.

This does come from the guy who claimed that some long Dutch and German words sound like vomiting.

[Mavorpen]

Hebrew is an intense language, but I wouldn't go that far.

This does come from the guy who claimed that some long Dutch and German words sound like vomiting.

Well, my German teacher in high school described English as though "the speakers were gargling balls in their mouth," so I guess you're even.

[Kravanica]

Believe me, I used to be in favor of a path to citizenship. That was until the current border crisis started. Obama granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants which directly resulted in the crisis we face today. Coyotes lured women and children with promises of amnesty. Hell, when they reached the border they didn't even try and hide from the border guards. They were turning themselves in because they know they would receive amnesty. Granting amnesty only further incentivizes more illegal immigration. It's a tricky situation and I do sympathize with and even admire these people and their struggles.

And if we don't come across as racists then why are we all branded as old white fucks who hate minorities and want to bring back slavery? It's insane. The Democrats have completely monopolized their support with minorities and smeared anyone who disagrees with them as racist and xenophobic. Every party has it's morons, but I don't think the more famous Republicans are dumb. They have respectable views and want a strong conservative Republican Party.

I'm mostly in favor of a path to citizenship not because I am Latino, not because I gain anything from it or even because I'm a bleeding heart democrat. My reasons to support a path to citizenship which doesn't have to be amnesty (which is the automatic pardon of the crime and to give them automatic citizenship like Reagan did in the 80s) are purely economical. I agree with you that the Coyotes should have never done what they did because we're not even sure what to do with the now illegal immigrant population and they're coming up with shit out of their ass. I don't approve of this crisis and it is something that should have never happened, and I personally don't agree with the parents who did put their children's lives at risk. However, now our problem is what do we do with these children; it has created a ridiculous humanitarian crisis and all thanks to the fucking armchair congress that does nothing nowadays.

I like some of the more famous Republicans and some of their views, but otherwise I do not agree with them on several points and I do not personally agree with the fact that they get to be fucking cuntish when they want to be; not that Democrats don't do it, but I also tend to call out bullshit from both sides when I see it. The fact is that our country needs to stop getting into political divisions right now and both sides - Republicans and Democrats - should be working together for a better country; not smearing each other like it has been going on so far. The Republicans need to leave aside the ideas that are poisoning the party - such as the infusion of more radical right elements the last two years; and the Democratic party needs to stop fucking kissing ass and trying to smear everyone who doesn't agree with them. Only then can we actually focus on the issues the country is having; but as it stands? Only in a snowball's chance in hell are we going to get past the current situation we are now, which everyone can agree is fucked up.

I would most likely be more supportive of a path to citizenship if the border was actually secure. I remember before the crisis Obama gloated like the narcissistic ass he is saying "Oh the border is secure" and "Next they'll want a moat. And they'll want alligators in the moat" (these are his actual words). Yeah, he can go fuck himself. If thousands of illegal immigrants are able to get over then the border isn't secure. The coyotes would never of lured these people if Obama hadn't granted amnesty. The coyotes saw that the US was letting people stay and jumped on it as a way to make some cash.

Let's be real. Both parties have their cunts and both parties block each other likes there's no tomorrow. Harry Reid is basically the king of filibustering. The House tries to defund Obamacare every other weekend. It's a fucking mess and it's basically because they're polar opposites. The Democrats want more social freedom and more government intervention in the economy. The Republicans want less social freedom and less government intervention in the economy. Republicans want deportation and Democrats want amnesty. They'll never agree and stuff only gets done when one party controls the presidency and both houses of Congress.