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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:12 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:See exactly what I mean stealing land from AQ they even fight AQ and Ansar Al-Shariah in Yemen and Libya.

Not so much stealing as rogue AQ commanders pledging loyalty to them, and them shrugging and accepting.

These AQ commanders taking oath to ISIS is exactly how ISIS was started.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:15 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Not so much stealing as rogue AQ commanders pledging loyalty to them, and them shrugging and accepting.

These AQ commanders taking oath to ISIS is exactly how ISIS was started.

Meaning that they didn't steal land.

It's the equivalent of cutting a house you Co-Own with somebody into two pieces.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:17 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:These AQ commanders taking oath to ISIS is exactly how ISIS was started.

Meaning that they didn't steal land.

It's the equivalent of cutting a house you Co-Own with somebody into two pieces.

No ISIS is landgrabbing by influencing sleezy commanders who don't even deserve the position.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby West Aurelia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:18 pm

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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:18 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Meaning that they didn't steal land.

It's the equivalent of cutting a house you Co-Own with somebody into two pieces.

No ISIS is landgrabbing by influencing sleezy commanders who don't even deserve the position.

It's their choice to pledge Loyalty. That's not stealing.
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Postby Anglo-California » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:20 pm

mfw Iraqi Kurds think that American Sniper is the greatest movie ever. :lol:
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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:36 pm


Gawd no. Did we learn nothing from the first two Gulf Wars.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:56 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:No ISIS is landgrabbing by influencing sleezy commanders who don't even deserve the position.

It's their choice to pledge Loyalty. That's not stealing.

It's like in an election when some one votes for a third party they steal votes from the other two main candidates.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:57 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:It's their choice to pledge Loyalty. That's not stealing.

It's like in an election when some one votes for a third party they steal votes from the other two main candidates.

Again. Not stealing. The rouge AQ Commanders joined IS by choice.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:05 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:It's like in an election when some one votes for a third party they steal votes from the other two main candidates.

Again. Not stealing. The rouge AQ Commanders joined IS by choice.


It's more like the Tea Party infecting and taking over the Republican Party.
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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:06 pm

Gauthier wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Again. Not stealing. The rouge AQ Commanders joined IS by choice.


It's more like the Tea Party infecting and taking over the Republican Party.

Yeah, like that.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:13 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
It's more like the Tea Party infecting and taking over the Republican Party.

Yeah, like that.

They fight AQ for territory.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby New Jordslag » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:14 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Yeah, like that.

They fight AQ for territory.

Wasn't it you who said earlier that IS was formed from rogue AQ officers?

My point remains.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:35 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:They fight AQ for territory.

Wasn't it you who said earlier that IS was formed from rogue AQ officers?

My point remains.

No it dosnt becaud they left AQ to form there own thing.
نحن أبناء الإسلام التي أثارها الهدى والنور من الاسود مثل الشيخ أسامة ورفيقه أيمن مليئة شجاعة مثل أبو مصعب والأمير خطاب نموذجنا دور محمد الحبيب هو لدينا الضوء والمعلم ويترك كافة الأمر إلى الله
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Postby Krazakistan » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:03 pm

ISIS is getting hit pretty hard by coalition airstrikes and is losing grounds to the Kurds, which is great. It seems that they've lost their momentum and are starting to stagnate in their advances.

Well, we already have 1,000 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne deployed to train ISF and Kurdish Peshmerga forces, so he's right.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:04 pm

New Jordslag wrote:

Gawd no. Did we learn nothing from the first two Gulf Wars.


The first Gulf War was a resounding success at beating Sadam Hussein for relatively little cost.

The second one was more ambitious (regime change as opposed to settling for kicking Sadam out of Kuwait) and was a bungled fuck up based on false pretences.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:44 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:IS' "provinces".

See exactly what I mean stealing land from AQ they even fight AQ and Ansar Al-Shariah in Yemen and Libya.


So ISIS steals lands from AQ like AQ steals land from those sovereign territories?

ISIS and AQ have no right to operate in those lands.



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Postby West Aurelia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:32 am

Talks on pilot and journalist are deadlocked.
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Postby Seraven » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:05 am



It's kind of what happened when there are hostage crises.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:47 am

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Wasn't it you who said earlier that IS was formed from rogue AQ officers?

My point remains.

No it dosnt becaud they left AQ to form there own thing.

Right.

That sure as hell Ain't stealing. They were left in charge of territory. They decided to leave AQ with their territory. AQ put them in charge of that territory, so it simply isn't stealing.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:52 am


I have little doubt they'll keep the Pilot alive. It's logic. The Journalist isn't worth as much to Jordan, even if Japan is a major aid donor. The Pilot is. Failing to free him will cause tensions in the strong alliance with his tribe and deprive Jordan of a good pilot, as well as cause a general drop in popular support for the Government.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:26 pm


The journalist is already dead :(
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Postby Herargon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:59 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:

The journalist is already dead :(


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Postby Herargon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:00 pm

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West Aurelia wrote:IS' "provinces".


More targets to bomb, that's always good.


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Postby West Aurelia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:58 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:

The journalist is already dead :(


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