Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Deusaeuri]

How is this relevant?

people usually do a "well everyone steals each others nuclear secrets ok!" defence, but you avoided that completely. good job.

hate to tell you this but the U.S. relationship with israel and israels nuclear arsenal are pretty important parts of this conflict!

No, until Israel uses nuclear weapons against Hamas with American aid, the U.S.-Israeli military relations, including nuclear arsenals, that is pretty much irrelevant.

[Alyakia]

The same thousands of people that are going to die of thirst on a mountain in Iraq because a few hundred people got blown to smithereens by Israel thanks to a terrorist group that enjoys worldwide support thanks to a coup in public relations. Genocide in Iraq? No one blinks an eye. Israel drops a bomb in Gaza and people cannot become indignant quickly enough.

Essentially, 40,000 Iraqis really don't mean much when the SS 2.0 is currently blowing up shit in the ghetto. That must be a 10:1 ratio in terms of "I give a fuck about x people and their potential for a hideous and excruciating death".

admittedly the "but what about iraq/syira/etc.???" defence is in of itself not relevant and just an excuse to try and derail israel threads off of israel, but since you already posted it

Barack Obama authorizes U.S. airstrikes in Iraq against ISIS
'America is coming to help' in Iraq, president says

i am enjoying watching your "no one blinks an eye unless it's israel!" kvetch falling apart in real time

[Blakk Metal]

This isn't really surprising considering the Cold War.

It could also have been Pakistan, who was about to get its ass kicked by India.

Nonsense, Pakistanis are 'People of Color', which means they can't do anything bad unless French Satan hypnotises them.

[Alyakia]

people usually do a "well everyone steals each others nuclear secrets ok!" defence, but you avoided that completely. good job.

hate to tell you this but the U.S. relationship with israel and israels nuclear arsenal are pretty important parts of this conflict!

No, until Israel uses nuclear weapons against Hamas with American aid, the U.S.-Israeli military relations, including nuclear arsenals, that is pretty much irrelevant.

did you just say U.S.-israeli military relations are irrelevant? i mean, hamas will never threaten israel to the point where they need to use nukes so i suppose you could try and argue that, but did you just say they're completely irrelevant? where do you think iron dome came from? billions of dollars in military aid which was kinda used against hamas?

[Evraim]

i am enjoying watching your "no one blinks an eye unless it's israel!" kvetch falling apart in real time

The argument is not about whether people blink at other tragedies. It's about the relative salience of some world events compared to the relative media coverage of and political attention afforded to said events. It would be difficult to argue that Israel hasn't been singled out more by certain entities and groups than other states and regimes.

[Deusaeuri]

No, until Israel uses nuclear weapons against Hamas with American aid, the U.S.-Israeli military relations, including nuclear arsenals, that is pretty much irrelevant.

did you just say U.S.-israeli military relations are irrelevant? i mean, hamas will never threaten israel to the point where they need to use nukes so i suppose you could try and argue that, but did you just say they're completely irrelevant? where do you think iron dome came from? billions of dollars in military aid which was kinda used against hamas?

They're not completely irrelevant, but it's not important enough to warrant posting something that happened half a century ago that will probably never matter, especially in the current context/situation.

[Alyakia]

i am enjoying watching your "no one blinks an eye unless it's israel!" kvetch falling apart in real time

The argument is about whether people blink at other tragedies. It's about the relative salience of some world events compared to the relative media coverage of and political attention afforded to said events. It would be difficult to argue that Israel hasn't been singled out more by certain entities and groups than other states and regimes.

oh, then i believe we've been over this so many times it's not even funny.

israel has been singled out by entities like the U.S. government for a level of support unprecedented by any other state, especially compared to other middle eastern states, i'll give you that.

[Alyakia]

oh alright

U.S. President Barack Obama says the Palestinian territory of Gaza cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Obama told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Gaza cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its Hamas rulers, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge

[Gauthier]

oh alright

U.S. President Barack Obama says the Palestinian territory of Gaza cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Obama told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Gaza cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its Hamas rulers, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge

Boy that embargo sure got Castro deposed real quick!

[Blakk Metal]

oh alright

U.S. President Barack Obama says the Palestinian territory of Gaza cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Obama told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Gaza cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its Hamas rulers, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge

"U.S. President Harry Truman says the islands of Honshu cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Truman told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Japan cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its junta, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge"

[Evraim]

oh, then i believe we've been over this so many times it's not even funny.

We concur on this point, and yet we keep coming back here.

israel has been singled out by entities like the U.S. government for a level of support unprecedented by any other state, especially compared to other middle eastern states, i'll give you that.

I wouldn't say any other state. The Russians propped up numerous governments that would have collapsed without substantial financial and military investments. China has bolstered a regime that would have been eliminated decades ago without the threat of a brutal, full-scale war.

The UN Human Rights Council has passed forty five resolutions condemning Israel specifically, more than any other state and by a significant margin. These condemnations comprise close to half of the aforementioned entity's resolutions. Israel has killed fewer people than Syria or Russia since 2006, and yet has been condemned far more often than either. North Korea, Iran, China, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and a multitude of other countries notorious for human rights violations have not even come close to matching Israel's number of condemnations. Do you genuinely believe that Israel is more deserving of vitriol than Syria or Russia? Are you genuinely content to ignore that alarming Antisemitism that is often found among self-proclaimed Anti-Zionists in Europe, the Americas, and the Middle East?

[Alyakia]

oh alright

U.S. President Barack Obama says the Palestinian territory of Gaza cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Obama told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Gaza cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its Hamas rulers, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge

"U.S. President Harry Truman says the islands of Honshu cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Truman told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Japan cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its junta, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge"

i'm aware you're desperate to compare this to WWII at every opportunity, but what? there are even much better japan related examples as well. and just, what?

[Costa Fierro]

How is this relevant?

people usually do a "well everyone steals each others nuclear secrets ok!" defence, but you avoided that completely. good job.

hate to tell you this but the U.S. relationship with israel and israels nuclear arsenal are pretty important parts of this conflict!

How is it important? Israel hasn't said "fuck it, we're sick of this shit so let's just nuke everything". They didn't even come close in 1973, when Golda Meir pretty much said "come any closer and I'll turn Cairo into a sand coloured fruit bowl".

Besides, everyone knows the French pretty much gave Israel everything they needed to build their nuclear reactors. And they got all their yellow cake they wanted from Argentina in return for assistance in ballistic missile development.

[Respawn]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08 ... at-israel/

Gaza Bishop: Hamas used his church to fire rockets into Israel

[Robanov]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/07/gaza-christian-leader-says-hamas-used-his-church-to-launch-missiles-at-israel/

Gaza Bishop: Hamas used his church to fire rockets into Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBlaze

The Blaze is founded by Glenn Beck. Should we be concerned with the value of this report?

[Blakk Metal]

"U.S. President Harry Truman says the islands of Honshu cannot remain permanently closed off from the world.

Truman told reporters in Washington Wednesday that Japan cannot sustain itself and is not capable of providing jobs and economic growth. He said he has no sympathy for its junta, but that there has to be a shift in opportunities for the people of the enclave.

wink wink nudge nudge"

i'm aware you're desperate to compare this to WWII at every opportunity, but what? there are even much better japan related examples as well. and just, what?

I'm saying that appeasement bullshit has got to stop.

[Respawn]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/07/gaza-christian-leader-says-hamas-used-his-church-to-launch-missiles-at-israel/

Gaza Bishop: Hamas used his church to fire rockets into Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheBlaze

The Blaze is founded by Glenn Beck. Should we be concerned with the value of this report?

Not really. It links to a video from the Christian Broadcasting Network which interviews the bishop of that church.

[Lexicor]

i'm aware you're desperate to compare this to WWII at every opportunity, but what? there are even much better japan related examples as well. and just, what?

I'm saying that appeasement bullshit has got to stop.

Odd I don't remember the United States trying to appease Japan after Pearl Harbour!

[Blakk Metal]

I'm saying that appeasement bullshit has got to stop.

Odd I don't remember the United States trying to appease Japan after Pearl Harbour!

I'm talking about the appeasement of the Arabs.

[Lexicor]

Odd I don't remember the United States trying to appease Japan after Pearl Harbour!

I'm talking about the appeasement of the Arabs.

I don't think you can appease Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the Peoples Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

You can resume negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.

[Costa Fierro]

admittedly the "but what about iraq/syira/etc.???" defence is in of itself not relevant and just an excuse to try and derail israel threads off of israel, but since you already posted it

Barack Obama authorizes U.S. airstrikes in Iraq against ISIS
'America is coming to help' in Iraq, president says

i am enjoying watching your "no one blinks an eye unless it's israel!" kvetch falling apart in real time

So, me replying to you equating Israel with ISIS is now apparently me being irrelevant. Nice try, but you brought up the comparison, not me. Randomly mentioning allegations of Israel stealing nuclear materials for their nefarious nuclear program is irrelevant. You comparing Israel to ISIS and me responding to that comparison is not irrelevant.

Seriously.

[Blakk Metal]

I'm talking about the appeasement of the Arabs.

I don't think you can appease Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the Peoples Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Not successfully anyway.

[Alyakia]

I don't think you can appease Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the Peoples Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Not successfully anyway.

do you legit think israel is appeasing hamas

is this something that you actually think

[Lexicor]

Not successfully anyway.

do you legit think israel is appeasing hamas

is this something that you actually think

Indeed. Israel has offered a lifting of the blockade in exchange for the demilitarization of Gaza in adherence to the UNSC Resolution taken after Israel unilaterally withdrew...

[Alyakia]

do you legit think israel is appeasing hamas

is this something that you actually think

Indeed. Israel has offered a lifting of the blockade in exchange for the demilitarization of Gaza in adherence to the UNSC Resolution taken after Israel unilaterally withdrew...

...that is not appeasement