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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:11 am

Jumalariik wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation

Almost all churches give to charities of some sort.

Read the underlined; if they do then they can fill out the form and claim exemptions like every other organisation.
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Postby The Kingdom Historia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:11 am

i just reliezed what i just put but i meant that if they are producing buisness like figures yearly like the church of scientology then they should be taxed .

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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:11 am

Eaglleia wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:Do we tax charities?

Not public registered charities.

Then why tax churches that earn money via donation and then use some of that money towards church and non-church charities.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:12 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Churches are nonprofits and many give to charity, do you want to tax charities too?

If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation

Only up to 10% of their net taxable income, like every other organization?
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Postby Eaglleia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:12 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Eaglleia wrote:Not public registered charities.

Then why tax churches that earn money via donation and then use some of that money towards church and non-church charities.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:13 am

Jumalariik wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation

Almost all churches give to charities of some sort.

Which means thwy can apply for tax exemptions, not be exempt from tax altogether.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:13 am

The Time Alliance wrote:
Eaglleia wrote:Not public registered charities.

Then why tax churches that earn money via donation and then use some of that money towards church and non-church charities.

If your claim is that all churches fulfill criteria to be considered public registered charities or otherwise get tax exemption them us removing their special privilege on taxation will do no harm; the church can just fill out a form and remain tax free.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:13 am

Of course they should be. Not least because the taxation of religious belief is seven different kinds of fucked up, and not most because their present status allows for laws bidding them closed to direct interference in the political process, which is a good thing.

If churches are taxed, they lose any such restrictions and no one could or should complain about their usage of their newfound freedoms to participate in the political process by lending their support to the candidate(s) of their choice.

Tax exemption is a better plan, morally and pragmatically, for a secular society.
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Postby Herargon » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:14 am

They should pay a tax equaling the amount of followers they have.
But, they don't have to pay taxes for something as giving homeless shelter for a night, giving meals and helping.
That, is where a true religion stands for; getting people together and let them just live in peace, imho.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:14 am

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Eaglleia wrote:Not public registered charities.

Then why tax churches that earn money via donation and then use some of that money towards church and non-church charities.

Because every other business that gives to charity is still taxed. If a church makes money in figures yearly it is technically a business. Therefore it should be taxed as one.
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Postby Valica » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:15 am

Cuprum wrote:The goverment can't tax your faith organization because the church's money comes from the taxpayers


If I pay for a coffee at Starbucks, they are going to pay taxes using taxpayer money.
That's how money works, silly.

You aren't required to pay at church, so you aren't paying extra taxes.
The church would pay the taxes on the money it receives from the members and bake sales or whatever churches do.
Since a church isn't forced to give money out, it's not a charity.
Therefore it should be taxed.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:15 am

Galloism wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:If they give to charity, they can claim tax exemptions for charitable donations like you know... every other organisation

Only up to 10% of their net taxable income, like every other organization?

If that is prevailing rule for exemptions for other organisations in said jurisdiction; then yes. Churches are organisations, they should be treated in the same way and subject to same restrictions as every other organisation.
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Postby Eaglleia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:15 am

Herargon wrote:They should pay a tax equaling the amount of followers they have.
But, they don't have to pay taxes for something as giving homeless shelter for a night, giving meals and helping.
That, is where a true religion stands for; getting people together and let them just live in peace.

Uh....so if they're taxed...they'll be losing the money they use for those things. >.>

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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:16 am

Valica wrote:
Cuprum wrote:The goverment can't tax your faith organization because the church's money comes from the taxpayers


If I pay for a coffee at Starbucks, they are going to pay taxes using taxpayer money.
That's how money works, silly.

You aren't required to pay at church, so you aren't paying extra taxes.
The church would pay the taxes on the money it receives from the members and bake sales or whatever churches do.
Since a church isn't forced to give money out, it's not a charity.
Therefore it should be taxed.

But if they do act as charities they should be able to exempt
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Postby Galloism » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:17 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Galloism wrote:Only up to 10% of their net taxable income, like every other organization?

If that is prevailing rule for exemptions for other organisations in said jurisdiction; then yes. Churches are organisations, they should be treated in the same way and subject to same restrictions as every other organisation.

They are subject to the same rules as every other 501(c)3 organization (other than being exempt from annual reporting, which I don't agree with), does that count?
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Postby The Kingdom Historia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:18 am

dont tax the local churches. tax the larger establishments and scienctology

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:19 am

Galloism wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:If that is prevailing rule for exemptions for other organisations in said jurisdiction; then yes. Churches are organisations, they should be treated in the same way and subject to same restrictions as every other organisation.

They are subject to the same rules as every other 501(c)3 organization (other than being exempt from annual reporting, which I don't agree with), does that count?

Yes, although they shouldn't be exempt from annual reporting either. If other 501(c)3 organisations have to file annual report, so should churches.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:19 am

The Kingdom Historia wrote:dont tax the local churches. tax the larger establishments and scienctology

Yeah... tax the Catholics, Mormons and Muslims but not the protestants. Amirite?

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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:23 am

No.

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:26 am

If you tax churches, many of us will close. Our budgets are cut close to the bone as it is.

So then you get no tax after all.

And you lose our thrift shop, and the heating oil and gasoline money we give to people who would otherwise be cold and unable to drive 30 miles to where the jobs are. No secular groups are around to pick up that responsibility.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:27 am

They should follow the same rules as the national stamp collecting society.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:33 am

Yes. Let them stay exempt.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:33 am

Herargon wrote:They should pay a tax equaling the amount of followers they have.
But, they don't have to pay taxes for something as giving homeless shelter for a night, giving meals and helping.
That, is where a true religion stands for; getting people together and let them just live in peace, imho.

You pay taxes on money you make, no offense, but I don't think a church will be making much money from the homeless
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