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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:53 pm

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Maybe, but I don't legitimize monosexual cissexism through cotton-ceiling as something that would exist in an ideal world.

what

Cotton-ceiling = when you only engage romantically/sexually with cis women and/or cis men.

It isn't necessarily a form of intentional transphobia, but it's still cissexist. It might also be genitalizing.

No need to accommodate my language for something that shouldn't exist.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:what

Cotton-ceiling = when you only engage romantically/sexually with cis women and/or cis men.

It isn't necessarily a form of intentional transphobia, but it's still cissexist. It might also be genitalizing.

No need to accommodate my language for something that shouldn't exist.

So you're saying that people can/should be attracted based on gender and not sex alone?
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Postby Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Where I live we are going to take homosexuals to be banned from adopting children based on their mental instability since we have established homosexuality as a mental disability in my country.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Othelos wrote:So you're saying that people can be attracted based on gender and not sex alone?

Perhaps they can, but it's the kind of thing about dyadic cis people that shouldn't be mentioned as cute.

Also de-legitimization of trans people with "sex" language shouldn't get people anywhere. If you are going for that way, then I say with all words that it's a weird fetish and nothing more.
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Iron Guard wrote:Where I live we are going to take homosexuals to be banned from adopting children based on their mental instability since we have established homosexuality as a mental disability in my country.

Why don'cha tell me what country it is so I can annex it to Coral Sea Islands?
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Postby Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:58 pm

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Cotton-ceiling = when you only engage romantically/sexually with cis women and/or cis men.

It isn't necessarily a form of intentional transphobia, but it's still cissexist. It might also be genitalizing.

No need to accommodate my language for something that shouldn't exist.

So you're saying that people can/should be attracted based on gender and not sex alone?

Sex and gender are the same thing. You're either a man or a woman.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:58 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:So you're saying that people can be attracted based on gender and not sex alone?

Perhaps they can, but it's the kind of thing about dyadic cis people that shouldn't be mentioned as cute.

Dyadic?

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Also de-legitimization of trans people with "sex" language shouldn't get people anywhere. If you are going for that way, then I say with all words that it's a weird fetish and nothing more.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:58 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:So you're saying that people can/should be attracted based on gender and not sex alone?

Sex and gender are the same thing. You're either a man or a woman.

Take psychology 101.

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Postby Spoder » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:59 pm

Place your bets ladies and gents.

This account has only 3 posts, all of them made in this thread.

So who do you think it is?

Oh, and they were founded today.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:59 pm

Its a Texas Thing wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Where I live we are going to take homosexuals to be banned from adopting children based on their mental instability since we have established homosexuality as a mental disability in my country.

Why don'cha tell me what country it is so I can annex it to Coral Sea Islands?

Let's all agree to ignore that person [Iron gaurd].
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:59 pm

Iron Guard wrote:Sex and gender are the same thing. You're either a man or a woman.

Actually everybody is a little trans and intersex. :)
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Postby Rocopurr » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:00 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Sex and gender are the same thing. You're either a man or a woman.

Actually everybody is a little trans and intersex. :)

How so?
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Postby Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:00 pm

Othelos wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:Sex and gender are the same thing. You're either a man or a woman.

Take psychology 101.

I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

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Postby Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:02 pm

Othelos wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:Why don'cha tell me what country it is so I can annex it to Coral Sea Islands?

Let's all agree to ignore that person [Iron gaurd].

I'd expect nothing less from the left. Ignoring everything that doesn't fit in your fantasy land.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:02 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Take psychology 101.

I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

Again, psych/bio 101. Intersex people exist.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:02 pm

Othelos wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Perhaps they can, but it's the kind of thing about dyadic cis people that shouldn't be mentioned as cute.

Dyadic?

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Also de-legitimization of trans people with "sex" language shouldn't get people anywhere. If you are going for that way, then I say with all words that it's a weird fetish and nothing more.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Dyadic = non-intersex

Yeah, that if your excuse to not date trans people whatsoever is because their chromosomes are this or that (as if there weren't a lot of intersex people out there with genotypes they might even not know about), or because of their endocrine development, then it's a weird fetish.

Everything is informed by cissexism in a society meant to be cissexist in its own construction, but the degree of absurd in the paragraph above isn't unconscious anymore. It needs a bit of de-legitimization of trans people i.e. transphobia, already conscious/intentional at that, for said reason.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:03 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Let's all agree to ignore that person [Iron gaurd].

I'd expect nothing less from the left. Ignoring everything that doesn't fit in your fantasy land.

Well considering I'm not ignorant on the topic, I wonder who is in the fantasy land, here.

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Postby Conglomerate of Iron » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:03 pm

Screw definitions and semantics. Everyone is a person and should be treated as such.
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Postby Iron Guard » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:04 pm

Othelos wrote:
Iron Guard wrote:I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

Again, psych/bio 101. Intersex people exist.

I've already taken biology. The intersex phenomenon is not a law, it is a mutation based on flawed genes.

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:04 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Take psychology 101.

I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

You've never heard of XXY or XO or XXXXY have you?

Not only are there legitimate physical effects, gender disphoria is a very real psychological condition.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:04 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:Dyadic?


I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Dyadic = non-intersex

Yeah, that if your excuse to not date trans people whatsoever is because their chromosomes are this or that (as if there weren't a lot of intersex people out there with genotypes they might even not know about), or because of their endocrine development, then it's a weird fetish.

Everything is informed by cissexism in a society meant to be cissexist in its own construction, but the degree of absurd in the paragraph above isn't unconscious anymore. It needs a bit of de-legitimization of trans people i.e. transphobia, already conscious/intentional at that, for said reason.

Oh.

Well I can see why someone wouldn't want to date a pre-op transexual, and I wouldn't consider that a fetish. Also, post-ops can't have kids, so that's another (legitimate) reason not to date someone, for some people.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:05 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Again, psych/bio 101. Intersex people exist.

I've already taken biology. The intersex phenomenon is not a law, it is a mutation based on flawed genes.

The point is that not everyone is born man/woman.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:05 pm

Iron Guard wrote:
Othelos wrote:Take psychology 101.

I took it two semesters ago. This has nothing to do with the discussion. You are born a certain way and that is what you are, either a man, or a woman.

That statement is so, so fallacious.

Your psyche is not complete and fully developed when you are born, and you can alter your body physiologically in various ways.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:06 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Othelos wrote:what

Cotton-ceiling = when you only engage romantically/sexually with cis women and/or cis men.

It isn't necessarily a form of intentional transphobia, but it's still cissexist. It might also be genitalizing.

No need to accommodate my language for something that shouldn't exist.

what the fuck are these words that you come up with from nowhere at all i want the shit you are smoking
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Postby Its a Texas Thing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:06 pm

Othelos wrote:
Its a Texas Thing wrote:Why don'cha tell me what country it is so I can annex it to Coral Sea Islands?

Let's all agree to ignore that person [Iron gaurd].

Let's not, he's funny.
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