Scotland to legalize Gay Marriage

[Regnum Dominae]

And why is yours the holy word of a god. Are you saying the Torah is not? The Quran? That the Hindu are wrong in their beliefs? What makes yours the "right" one?

It just is. What makes 2+2 equal 4. It just is. Are 2+2=5 and 2+2=6 wrong for their beliefs?

2+2=4 is self evidently true.

Your super special bible is not.

[Regnum Dominae]

Anyway, I still have yet to hear even a single valid argument against the legalization of same-sex marriage.

[Utceforp]

I never knew that deliberately oppressing a group of people is good for them.

"You can't make me eat my veggies, mommy! It's oppression! Raah!"

There is substantial evidence that vegetables are good for your health. Christianity has an old book. They are not equal.

[Gaelic Celtia]

I never knew that deliberately oppressing a group of people is good for them.

"You can't make me eat my veggies, mommy! It's oppression! Raah!"

Moms don't tell their kids they are abominations that will burn in hell for not liking vegetables. there is also proof that vegetables are good for your health.

[Wisconsin9]

It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.

Are you advocating forced conversion?

Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.

I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.

And then, if they don't choose to, you start trying to push.

[Marcurix]

It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.

Are you advocating forced conversion?

Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.

I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.

not allowing people to marry is force you know.

[Neutraligon]

It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.

Are you advocating forced conversion?

Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.

I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.

Except that by trying to prevent the recognition of marriage between homosexuals you are forcing your religion down other people's throats.

[Othelos]

I never knew that deliberately oppressing a group of people is good for them.

"You can't make me eat my veggies, mommy! It's oppression! Raah!"

So what, you think you're supposed to act as my parent, dishing out morality?

Sorry, bud, but people have individual rights, including the right to self-determination - which includes figuring out one's own morality.

[Solaray]

The purity of marriage?

The fuck?

Here's a serious question that I expect an answer for: If you're so pushy for the sanctity of marriage to be upheld by denying a group of people basic human rights, why haven't you made any arguments against divorce? It says pretty clearly in your "holy" book that divorce is not allowed.

Divorce is strongly discouraged and breaks the bonds of marriage, which saddens God. I'm not sure if it's considered a sin, but if it is, it is one that has become too commonplace in society for me to fix it. SSM however is something that can still be fought against, and it is my obligation to do so.

Even if SSM was sinful, (I dont believe it is) it's not like legalization of SSM means that churches have to perform them. They can have civil, secular weddings, so the purity of a religious marriage would be unharmed. Of course in my opinion, a same-sex church wedding would still be sacred, but whatever.

[Othelos]

Anyway, I still have yet to hear even a single valid argument against the legalization of same-sex marriage.

Es gibt keine.

[Phoenixfox]

Not oppressing anyone, silly. I think gays should be able to have open, public relationships and adopt children, be happy, etc. Just not get married.

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

[Alyakia]

And why is yours the holy word of a god. Are you saying the Torah is not? The Quran? That the Hindu are wrong in their beliefs? What makes yours the "right" one?

It just is. What makes 2+2 equal 4. It just is. Are 2+2=5 and 2+2=6 wrong for their beliefs?

holy shit. just give up. you're embarrassing yourself. seriously.

[Wisconsin9]

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

So what exactly is the difference between this and marriage?

[Neutraligon]

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

Don't you read, marriage is a civil institution, to force it to be called anything different is separate but equal. That is discrimination. Depending on the way that company works, it is actually discrimination.

[Phoenixfox]

Helping them fight their sinful urges (whether natural or not is debatable) and find happiness through god rather than sin so that they may have eternal life. Sounds pretty helpful to me.

Not everyone is your religion. Not everyone considers that sin.

Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.

[Alyakia]

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

you see, they are separate, but also equal!

[Gaelic Celtia]

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

Because as I stated earlier it is then equal, not separate. And many homosexuals may wish to be married in the eyes of their beloved lord, because they do not believe that what they are is an abomination. They rightfully believe themselves children of their god. Unlike you do. How dare you stand on your high horse and tell them they are not gods children and cannot be married before him. You are not god. YOU do not judge them.

[Neutraligon]

Not everyone is your religion. Not everyone considers that sin.

Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.

Sorry, what you are advocating is not righteous, it is discrimination.

[Utceforp]

Not everyone is your religion. Not everyone considers that sin.

Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

[Ainin]

Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

Because separate but equal is stupid. Marriage, by definition, is a civil institution, so why create a new class when you have a perfectly good one?

If the church doesn't like it, too bad. It doesn't have a trademark on the word marriage.

[Othelos]

It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.

Are you advocating forced conversion?

Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.

I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.

I try to shove salvation down their throat

[Phoenixfox]

Helping them fight their sinful urges (whether natural or not is debatable) and find happiness through god rather than sin so that they may have eternal life. Sounds pretty helpful to me.

Have you ever tried to surpress all sexual urges because you feel perverted?

Thought not. Depression and self hatred aren't fun. So stop pretending like you're helping, and recognize how harmful what you're advocating actually is.

God is the only real way of curing depression and self-hatred. I don't think anyone can truly feel fulfilled with their life without him.

[Solaray]

Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?

It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.

So what exactly is the difference between this and marriage?

The name. It seems to be a matter of principle, which could go both ways, since principally, giving gay marriages a different classification is still a form of discrimination, albeit a rather mild form.

[Utceforp]

Have you ever tried to surpress all sexual urges because you feel perverted?

Thought not. Depression and self hatred aren't fun. So stop pretending like you're helping, and recognize how harmful what you're advocating actually is.

God is the only real way of curing depression and self-hatred. I don't think anyone can truly feel fulfilled with their life without him.

Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.

[The Black Forrest]

whether natural or not is debatable

Only to the "faithful"