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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:50 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Liriena wrote:I take it as a sugar-coated rage-quit.

Yeah, I bet a ton of people who say that they "have to go" really just realized they lost and left. It even appears that he is still online.

I dislike this attitude..... as I'm a busy person.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:51 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:You said good and bad are subjective. Yet you're saying that homosexuality is bad (which according to YOU is subjective) because it's unnatural (which is also subjective, and wrong).

You destroyed, and contradicted you're own argument. You made your own argument moot.


Unnatural is not subjective and it is not wrong. I have already stated why.

Pandeeria wrote:Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.


Na, in your dreams.

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Nature is simply everything within the universe and it's natural laws. Homosexuals and homosexual acts are part of nature, therefore they are natural.


Congratz on taking things out of context and a fail logic and failing to understand that words have different meanings.

Liriena wrote:You said "nature" was your source. Hard to backpedal from that.

Do us a favour and never come back.


1) And the point still stands.
2) Going to disappoint you. I am just taking a break. I will be back :)

You stated that something unnatural is BAD. Yet you said that good and BAD are subjective. You destroyed your own point. Concede, or make a new argument. This time one preferably that is logical and has scientific grounds or as you call it: "political bias."
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Lost heros » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:51 pm

Menassa wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Yeah, I bet a ton of people who say that they "have to go" really just realized they lost and left. It even appears that he is still online.

I dislike this attitude..... as I'm a busy person.

But you are respectable.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:52 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?


Don't lose hope. Maybe.......

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Then elaborate on what you meant, rather than acting like an immature douche-bag.


*whispers: "No"

You really don't care about debating, do you?
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Shershah
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Pandeeria wrote:You stated that something unnatural is BAD. Yet you said that good and BAD are subjective. You destroyed your own point. Concede, or make a new argument. This time one preferably that is logical and has scientific grounds or as you call it: "political bias."


I am not going to do either.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Liriena wrote:Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?

You know, you could refute his claims instead of demanding sources. I highly disagree with him(and so does every credible scientist in the past several decades), but the least you could do is offer a counter-point to his claims.

We already have, and all he has to say about it is "your sources are biased, therefor I don't read them".
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Menassa wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Yeah, I bet a ton of people who say that they "have to go" really just realized they lost and left. It even appears that he is still online.

I dislike this attitude..... as I'm a busy person.

But you're Menassa. We love you. <3
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?


Don't lose hope. Maybe.......

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Then elaborate on what you meant, rather than acting like an immature douche-bag.


*whispers: "No"

Then your objection to my answer, is null and void.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:You stated that something unnatural is BAD. Yet you said that good and BAD are subjective. You destroyed your own point. Concede, or make a new argument. This time one preferably that is logical and has scientific grounds or as you call it: "political bias."


I am not going to do either.

Then get a blog and stop wasting our time. This is a debate forum, and there are some rules of courtesy in debates.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Menassa wrote:I dislike this attitude..... as I'm a busy person.

But you are respectable.

Thank you?
Not sure what that has to do with what I said, however.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:You know, you could refute his claims instead of demanding sources. I highly disagree with him(and so does every credible scientist in the past several decades), but the least you could do is offer a counter-point to his claims.

We already have, and all he has to say about it is "your sources are biased, therefor I don't read them".

Well, maybe after reading enough posts telling him he's wrong he'll start changing his opinions. Doubtful, but possible.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:You stated that something unnatural is BAD. Yet you said that good and BAD are subjective. You destroyed your own point. Concede, or make a new argument. This time one preferably that is logical and has scientific grounds or as you call it: "political bias."


I am not going to do either.


So you refuse to stay on your sunken ship? (If you don't understand what that means, it's a metaphor for your argument which you yourself killed and sunk it.)

You defeated your own argument. Refusing to concede or make another argument is just refusing to debate properly.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Immoren » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:55 pm

Still fighting windmills, eh?
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Postby Lost heros » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:55 pm

Menassa wrote:
Lost heros wrote:But you are respectable.

Thank you?
Not sure what that has to do with what I said, however.

You are respectable, so when you say you have to go, we assume it's not because you're rage quitting, but because you probably have some place to go.
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Postby Olthar » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:56 pm

Immoren wrote:Still fighting windmills, eh?

Who else will protect the countryside from dragons?
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Postby Menassa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Menassa wrote:I dislike this attitude..... as I'm a busy person.

But you're Menassa. We love you. <3

And I love all of you... but that doesn't change my point.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:56 pm

Immoren wrote:Still fighting windmills, eh?

Donkeyhotayism is NSG's religion, Immy.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:56 pm

Immoren wrote:Still fighting windmills, eh?

It's hard to get rid of them, they never move. :\
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Postby Condunum » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:57 pm

Immoren wrote:Still fighting windmills, eh?

Hey, Don's story was a good story.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:57 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Shershah wrote:
I am not going to do either.


So you refuse to stay on your sunken ship? (If you don't understand what that means, it's a metaphor for your argument which you yourself killed and sunk it.)

You defeated your own argument. Refusing to concede or make another argument is just refusing to debate properly.



Look, your misunderstandings and misinterpretations doesn't change anything. The point still stands. You are free to believe otherwise.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Liriena wrote:We already have, and all he has to say about it is "your sources are biased, therefor I don't read them".

Well, maybe after reading enough posts telling him he's wrong he'll start changing his opinions. Doubtful, but possible.


You are an optimist aren't you ? Let me save you the trouble. Not going to happen.
Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
I am not going to do either.

Then get a blog and stop wasting our time. This is a debate forum, and there are some rules of courtesy in debates.


Not upto you to dictate.

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Postby Menassa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:57 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Menassa wrote:Thank you?
Not sure what that has to do with what I said, however.

You are respectable, so when you say you have to go, we assume it's not because you're rage quitting, but because you probably have some place to go.

Why would 'ragequitting' be the assumption?
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
Lost heros wrote:But you are respectable.

Thank you?
Not sure what that has to do with what I said, however.

When you say you have to go, you actually have.

It is not like you pretended to debate using childishness and logical fallacies all time long and when seeing that your utter failure at making a respectable point is not going to be left as it is, you get frustrated, fly away due to incompetence and get an excuse to finish a debate that didn't even start.

So yes, it is a decent thing for you to do, because you're awesome cake, but for people like this, we have our doubts.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:58 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
So you refuse to stay on your sunken ship? (If you don't understand what that means, it's a metaphor for your argument which you yourself killed and sunk it.)

You defeated your own argument. Refusing to concede or make another argument is just refusing to debate properly.



Look, your misunderstandings and misinterpretations doesn't change anything. The point still stands. You are free to believe otherwise.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Well, maybe after reading enough posts telling him he's wrong he'll start changing his opinions. Doubtful, but possible.


You are an optimist aren't you ? Let me save you the trouble. Not going to happen.
Liriena wrote:Then get a blog and stop wasting our time. This is a debate forum, and there are some rules of courtesy in debates.


Not upto you to dictate.

Nope. I'm actually quite pessimistic usually. And if you aren't going to change your political views, than why bother debating them?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:But you're Menassa. We love you. <3

And I love all of you... but that doesn't change my point.

Well, pretty much as Lost Heros already said, we know you and respect you enough to assume that, when you say you have to go, you have honest reasons to do so. After all, I have yet to see you in a situation such as the one our fellow user here has put himself, where your only escape would be either capitulation or a thinly veiled retreat.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:59 pm

Shershah wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
So you refuse to stay on your sunken ship? (If you don't understand what that means, it's a metaphor for your argument which you yourself killed and sunk it.)

You defeated your own argument. Refusing to concede or make another argument is just refusing to debate properly.



Look, your misunderstandings and misinterpretations doesn't change anything. The point still stands. You are free to believe otherwise.

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Well, maybe after reading enough posts telling him he's wrong he'll start changing his opinions. Doubtful, but possible.


You are an optimist aren't you ? Let me save you the trouble. Not going to happen.
Liriena wrote:Then get a blog and stop wasting our time. This is a debate forum, and there are some rules of courtesy in debates.


Not upto you to dictate.


No. You made a massive contradiction that destroyed your argument single-handily. Your just in denial that you contradicted your self. Don't worry though, you cannot stay on your sunken ship for long.
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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