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Christian Group: Teaching science violates religious freedom

Postby Crata » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:29 am

Dear community, let me start with this: :palm:

This does, in essence, also sum up my feelings. Damn it, Kansas.

Anyway, here's what it's about: Christians trying to force teachers to stop teaching global warming and evolution. Because: "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it".

A religious group has filed suit against the Kansas Board of Education seeking to stop educators from adopting global warming and evolution into the state curriculum. The Christian organization said such lessons would violate parents’ religious freedom.

The non-profit group, known as Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE), has attacked Kansas along with 25 other states and the National Research Council for implementing new standards which mandate that mainstream science be taught in classrooms. COPE is based in the small town of Peck, Kansas, to the south of Wichita.

Fifteen parents and their 18 children joined the suit, with one telling the Associated Press they are Christians who want their children to believe “life is a creation made for a purpose.” The Kansas state Department of Education and the state board are named in the suit.

“The state’s job is simply to say to students, ‘How life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it,’” said John Calvert, a local attorney involved in the case.


Here's the source.
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Postby Spartan Philidelphia » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:38 am

What the hell does global warming have to do with religious freedom or creationism?
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Postby Mewtinigrad » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:41 am

It's moments like these when I'm glad that I don't live in the Bible Belt.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:47 am

All I hear them say is: "We can't teach our children facts because that infringes upon their freedom to remain stupid."
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:55 am

Just, wow. How does it even infringe on their religious freedom exactly? No one is oppressing them, no one is doing any harm to Christains (while on the contrary, some Christains are doing harm to others for religious reasons).

Schools should teach evolution, not creationism.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:56 am

To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:57 am

Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.

But... "how life arises" has nothing to do with evolution. Please tell me these people understand that!
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:58 am

Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.


True but at least evolution has support from the scientific community and has valid evidence. Creationism does not.
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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:58 am

Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.

How is that an excuse for not teaching global warming or evolution?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:59 am

Pandeeria wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.


True but at least evolution has support from the scientific community and has valid evidence. Creationism does not.

And is literally inevitable based on the way the universe works.
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Postby Natair » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:59 am

As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:59 am

Wow just wow and i though i was a relgious nut
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:00 am

Sometimes, I'm ashamed to be a Christian. Not all of us are collossal idiots like are described in the OP.
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Postby Partybus » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:01 am

Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.


But who wants to be fair?

I say let the 18 parents and their 15 children start their own religious school, let them religion to their hearts desire...

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:01 am

Natair wrote:As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

It's not called the theory of evolution.
There's evolution, and there's the (scientific) theory of evolution by natural selection.
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Postby Zoetland » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

Mewtinigrad wrote:It's moments like these when I'm glad that I don't live in the Bible Belt.

Bible Belt?
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Postby Mewtinigrad » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

Natair wrote:As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

Its hysterical how often people confuse the conventional and scientific definitions of "theory".
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Natair wrote:As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

It's not called the theory of evolution.
There's evolution, and there's the (scientific) theory of evolution by natural selection.


While religion/creationism is still just a hypothesis.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

Partybus wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:To be fair, "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it" is a correct statement.


But who wants to be fair?

I say let the 18 parents and their 15 children start their own religious school, let them religion to their hearts desire...

Yay! Children taught bullshit with no choice in the matter and no way to escape! Apparently no mandated curriculum, either! Hurray for Freedom!
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Postby Starkiller101 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:02 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Natair wrote:As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

It's not called the theory of evolution.
There's evolution, and there's the (scientific) theory of evolution by natural selection.
Evolution is still a bunch of BS
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Crata wrote:Dear community, let me start with this: :palm:

This does, in essence, also sum up my feelings. Damn it, Kansas.

Anyway, here's what it's about: Christians trying to force teachers to stop teaching global warming and evolution. Because: "how life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it".

A religious group has filed suit against the Kansas Board of Education seeking to stop educators from adopting global warming and evolution into the state curriculum. The Christian organization said such lessons would violate parents’ religious freedom.

The non-profit group, known as Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE), has attacked Kansas along with 25 other states and the National Research Council for implementing new standards which mandate that mainstream science be taught in classrooms. COPE is based in the small town of Peck, Kansas, to the south of Wichita.

Fifteen parents and their 18 children joined the suit, with one telling the Associated Press they are Christians who want their children to believe “life is a creation made for a purpose.” The Kansas state Department of Education and the state board are named in the suit.

“The state’s job is simply to say to students, ‘How life arises continues to be a scientific mystery and there are competing ideas about it,’” said John Calvert, a local attorney involved in the case.


Here's the source.

Wow, before I read the whole thing, I almost thought the WBC was the group. I would not be surprised if it had been. I mean they are a kansas group as well.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:03 am

Zoetland wrote:
Mewtinigrad wrote:It's moments like these when I'm glad that I don't live in the Bible Belt.

Bible Belt?


Y'know, the southern states that are really religious such as Texas, Louisiana, etc.


Starkiller101 wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:It's not called the theory of evolution.
There's evolution, and there's the (scientific) theory of evolution by natural selection.
Evolution is still a bunch of BS


Not really, at all.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:03 am

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Postby Natair » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:03 am

Mewtinigrad wrote:
Natair wrote:As a former resident of Kansas I say: :palm:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

Its hysterical how often people confuse the conventional and scientific definitions of "theory".

The people aren't sure so it is actually considered a theory and unless concrete proof one way or the other is found it will remain a theory.

I paid attention in class.
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