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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:26 am

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Union of Confederate Socialist Republics wrote:if those people at the Yard would have been carrying their own arms this wouldn't happen yessir

The US Navy only likes guns when they're attached to boats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:28 am

Agritum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The US Navy only likes guns when they're attached to boats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs

Pfft, puny guns.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:30 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:These mass shootings are getting more and more frequent by the year it seems.


No kidding.

But slight gun control measures are anti-American amiright?
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:31 am

I can't tell whether these are just getting more common or they're just hyped up.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:32 am

The Rich Port wrote:I can't tell whether these are just getting more common or they're just hyped up.


A mix of both.

There are shootings in public places almost every day in America, but some receive more media attention then others.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:35 am

The Rich Port wrote:I can't tell whether these are just getting more common or they're just hyped up.


Hyped up.

A link on the first page of this thread (I think) showed that these are actually getting less common.

EDIT: Oops, second.

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Postby Dracoria » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:38 am

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Union of Confederate Socialist Republics wrote:if those people at the Yard would have been carrying their own arms this wouldn't happen yessir

The US Navy only likes guns when they're attached to boats.


They have the Marines to carry the guns that aren't.

On a more serious note, it's not common in the US armed forces for anyone outside of the police (military or otherwise) to carry when in a domestic base, especially since a number of those involved were likely civilian DOD employees. Same reason the Fort Hood shooter managed to rampage as long as he did.
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Postby Dracoria » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:39 am

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The Rich Port wrote:I can't tell whether these are just getting more common or they're just hyped up.


A mix of both.

There are shootings in public places almost every day in America, but some receive more media attention then others.


For Chicago, we just track the number of shootings each weekend. Detroit, I don't think we keep count anymore.
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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:39 am

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Ifreann wrote:The US Navy only likes guns when they're attached to boats.


They have the Marines to carry the guns that aren't.

On a more serious note, it's not common in the US armed forces for anyone outside of the police (military or otherwise) to carry when in a domestic base, especially since a number of those involved were likely civilian DOD employees. Same reason the Fort Hood shooter managed to rampage as long as he did.

Putting armed guards in military bases sounds...straightforward.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:41 am

The Scientific States wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:I can't tell whether these are just getting more common or they're just hyped up.


A mix of both.

There are shootings in public places almost every day in America, but some receive more media attention then others.


I guess that makes sense.

I doubt the media pays any attention to gang members shooting at each other or an altercation in a crowded place where a gun goes off but no one is killed, etc.

... That is what they're ignoring, right? Please tell me Columbine-style shoot-'em-ups don't happen almost every day.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:41 am

Agritum wrote:
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They have the Marines to carry the guns that aren't.

On a more serious note, it's not common in the US armed forces for anyone outside of the police (military or otherwise) to carry when in a domestic base, especially since a number of those involved were likely civilian DOD employees. Same reason the Fort Hood shooter managed to rampage as long as he did.

Putting armed guards in military bases sounds...straightforward.

You'd think so. I'd wager you'd be wrong.
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A mix of both.

There are shootings in public places almost every day in America, but some receive more media attention then others.


I guess that makes sense.

I doubt the media pays any attention to gang members shooting at each other or an altercation in a crowded place where a gun goes off but no one is killed, etc.

... That is what they're ignoring, right? Please tell me Columbine-style shoot-'em-ups don't happen almost every day.


Often when I go to the news and look at the less read articles there will be school and office shootings that novody pays attention to.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:59 am

Update: 12 people are confirmed to be dead with at least 4 injured.

One gunman is dead, but police are searching for two more potential gunmen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24111481

Yet another mass shooting, when are you going to sort out your gun laws America?
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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:03 pm

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Police in Washington now say one of the two men they were searching for has been found and is no longer a suspect.

"The white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest," the police department

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We reported earlier that ABC News were citing two sources indicating that the dead gunman was a 50-year-old former employee of the US Navy. They now say that was a matter of false identification and the shooter's identity is still unconfirmed.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:05 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:These mass shootings are getting more and more frequent by the year it seems.


Probably because the media glorifies them?
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:10 pm

New Octopucta wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard/

The current report says 4 dead and eight injured. I've heard conflicting reports about the number of shooters ranging from 1-3, but everywhere I've looked agrees that they've barricaded themselves in a room.

Thoughts? Does it seem to anyone else that we've had more high profile shootings recently? It's probably just hindsight bias, but with Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Trayvon Martin, the Boston bombers, and now this I think I might be right.


There is certainly an abnormal pattern in all of these. Not to mention the enigma surrounding the 'suspects' of the Boston bombings.

Adding to your list, should be Woolwich.

On another note, these are certainly odd, some have raised the idea of false flags on alternative media, others have pointed a different possibility: http://www.eutimes.net/2013/08/switzerl ... ment-74262
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:12 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:These mass shootings are getting more and more frequent by the year it seems.


Probably because the media glorifies them?


Sensationalizes them.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:12 pm

SkyNews is reporting that the Senate is being shut down while the shooter is being sought.
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Ifreann wrote:SkyNews is reporting that the Senate is being shut down while the shooter is being sought.

Congress already dropped today's session.

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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:14 pm

At least 12 dead, at least three shooters.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:16 pm

Britanno wrote:Update: 12 people are confirmed to be dead with at least 4 injured.

One gunman is dead, but police are searching for two more potential gunmen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24111481

Yet another mass shooting, when are you going to sort out your gun laws America?


Agreed, its time we learned that DC's assault weapons ban didnt work.
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Postby Lithosano » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:19 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Britanno wrote:Update: 12 people are confirmed to be dead with at least 4 injured.

One gunman is dead, but police are searching for two more potential gunmen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24111481

Yet another mass shooting, when are you going to sort out your gun laws America?


Agreed, its time we learned that a patchwork approach to gun control isn't working


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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:19 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Britanno wrote:Update: 12 people are confirmed to be dead with at least 4 injured.

One gunman is dead, but police are searching for two more potential gunmen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24111481

Yet another mass shooting, when are you going to sort out your gun laws America?


Agreed, its time we learned that DC's assault weapons ban didnt work.

He said without knowing what weapons were used in this incident.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:25 pm

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Agreed, its time we learned that DC's assault weapons ban didnt work.

He said without knowing what weapons were used in this incident.


I mean, it's not like the shooter(s) was unable to buy banned weapons outside of DC if any were used. I mean, how implausible is that?
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Postby StellarGate » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:39 pm

This is quite sad and actually, considering I live in Maryland, closer than I'd imagine something like this happening.

Hopefully all gunmen will be found soon.
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