Greek Internment Camps

[DrakoBlaria]

Kick Greece out of the EU and allow Turkey to invade it. If they don't stop of course. Though I wouldn't mind if Greece was invaded anyway.....

Val? Is that you? Are you ok buddy? What did those French do to you?!?!

[DrakoBlaria]

I don't see a violation of human rights in temporary imprisoning illegal immigrants.

Probably because you ignore the conditions in which they are held.

Their conditions are preety good to live in actually.

[Valentir]

Kick Greece out of the EU and allow Turkey to invade it. If they don't stop of course. Though I wouldn't mind if Greece was invaded anyway.....

Val? Is that you? Are you ok buddy? What did those French do to you?!?!

Yes it is and I hope Greece get's punished for it's actions. That and Turkey needs new lands. And maybe the Ionian Islands could be returned to Great Britain........And Crete could go to Egypt.

[Gravlen]

Probably because you ignore the conditions in which they are held.

Their conditions are preety good to live in actually.

Yeah, so good the ECtHR have found that Greece is violating Art. 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, finding that the conditions in which asylum seekers are held is akin to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, see M.S.S. v. BELGIUM AND GREECE

162. All the centres visited by the bodies and organisations that produced the reports listed above describe a similar situation to varying degrees of gravity: overcrowding, dirt, lack of space, lack of ventilation, little or no possibility of taking a walk, no place to relax, insufficient mattresses, dirty mattresses, no free access to toilets, inadequate sanitary facilities, no privacy, limited access to care. Many of the people interviewed
also complained of insults, particularly racist insults, proffered by staff and the use of physical violence by guards.

"Pretty good", eh?

And if they aren't detained at those places... They aren't given anywhere to live.

He allegedly spent months living in a state of the most extreme poverty, unable to cater for his most basic needs: food,hygiene and a place to live. Added to that was the ever-present fear of being attacked and robbed and the total lack of any likelihood of his situation improving.

Not only international bodies are critical of the situation. Take this criminal case:

On the night of 30 September to 1 October 2012, fifteen immigrants detained in Thesprotia Police Headquarters (for having illegally entered Greece) wrestled the guards who had entered their cell to remove the garbage and escaped. They were later apprehended and charged with escape under the Greek Criminal Code (Article 173 para 1).

The judge found that the accused had indeed perpetrated the crime of escape. However, he went on to consider the conditions of their detention for a period of up to a month and a half. His description is blood-chilling: the accused had been held in a room with only one chemical toilet, no water, no cleaning or any other form of sanitation, and they all had to sleep in that same room, which did not allow them to even lie down on the floor (it was only 15 sq m, apprx 160 sq ft, and there were no beds). The accused had not been given access to showers or clothing, and many of them suffered from lice or even typhus and other communicable diseases, as a result of the fact that they had not been able to shower or change clothes for months. The accused were limited to the tiny cell 24 hours per day, with no provision for exercise, or even a breath of fresh air.

The judge found such conditions to be in clear violation of Article 3 of the ECHR (prohibition of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment), while he also went on to state that both the conditions and the duration of detention of the accused, who were awaiting expulsion but had not been charged with any crime, was such as to also violate Articles 3, 8 (right to respect for private and family life), and 13 ECHR (right to an effective remedy). This, the judge said, constituted a state of necessity which precluded the accused’s liability for the crime of escape. The conditions in which they were held put their life and health in extreme danger through no fault of their own; the only way for them to escape that danger was to escape from detention, an act for which they could not be held criminally liable. All fifteen accused were acquitted.

http://www.ejiltalk.org/immigrants-who-escaped-appalling-detention-conditions-acquitted/

[DrakoBlaria]

Val? Is that you? Are you ok buddy? What did those French do to you?!?!

Yes it is and I hope Greece get's punished for it's actions. That and Turkey needs new lands. And maybe the Ionian Islands could be returned to Great Britain........And Crete could go to Egypt.

What actions? You are just jelly

[Vazdania]

*crazy conspiracy theorist hat on*

America is totally going to do what Greece is doing!!!

[Valentir]

Yes it is and I hope Greece get's punished for it's actions. That and Turkey needs new lands. And maybe the Ionian Islands could be returned to Great Britain........And Crete could go to Egypt.

What actions? You are just jelly

Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?

My stance on this issue is of the OP:

In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.

[DrakoBlaria]

What actions? You are just jelly

Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?

My stance on this issue is of the OP:

In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.

THEY ARE GIVEN FREE HOMES FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Seriously mate, how is that a crime? There are Greeks living in worse conditions

[Valentir]

Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?

My stance on this issue is of the OP:

In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.

THEY ARE GIVEN FREE HOMES FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Seriously mate, how is that a crime? There are Greeks living in worse conditions

Free homes? A source would be nice.

[DrakoBlaria]

THEY ARE GIVEN FREE HOMES FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Seriously mate, how is that a crime? There are Greeks living in worse conditions

Free homes? A source would be nice.

Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think? There is no genocide against them. The only genocide taking place is against the Greeks via mass immigration and austerity measures ordered by that female(?) pig

[Valentir]

Free homes? A source would be nice.

Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think? There is no genocide against them. The only genocide taking place is against the Greeks via mass immigration and austerity measures ordered by that female(?) pig

Yes because prison camps are much better than the street.

In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.

This is not acceptable and if you think it then I have no respect for you really.

[DrakoBlaria]

Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think? There is no genocide against them. The only genocide taking place is against the Greeks via mass immigration and austerity measures ordered by that female(?) pig

Yes because prison camps are much better than the street.

In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.

This is not acceptable and if you think it then I have no respect for you really.

I don't think it is a good solution either. We should send them back from where they came already!

[Valentir]

Yes because prison camps are much better than the street.

In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.

This is not acceptable and if you think it then I have no respect for you really.

I don't think it is a good solution either. We should send them back from where they came already!

Hitler said we should sent the Jews away, and look how that turned out in the end. And if the allegations of Genocide or Genocidal Conditions are true then Greece should be kicked out of the EU and forced to pay reparations.

[DrakoBlaria]

I don't think it is a good solution either. We should send them back from where they came already!

Hitler said we should sent the Jews away, and look how that turned out in the end. And if the allegations of Genocide or Genocidal Conditions are true then Greece should be kicked out of the EU and forced to pay reparations.

Pay reparations to who?
And no genocide is taking place! If anyone is to pay reparation that is Germany, still owes it to us since freaking WWII

[Valentir]

Hitler said we should sent the Jews away, and look how that turned out in the end. And if the allegations of Genocide or Genocidal Conditions are true then Greece should be kicked out of the EU and forced to pay reparations.

Pay reparations to who?
And no genocide is taking place! If anyone is to pay reparation that is Germany, still owes it to us since freaking WWII

Greece is just playing a political game with the reparations. They aren't going to be getting them now or anytime soon. And doesn't Germany bear the largest part of Greece's Rescue Package? Sounds like Greece is getting ungrateful.

[Gravlen]

Free homes? A source would be nice.

Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think?

Is it? Because as I've shown, people flee from those places and choose to live in the streets instead of having to stay there. Doesn't speak highly about the conditions of the places they're offered...

Asylum seekers and migrants face inhumane conditions in Greece, according to an Amnesty International report released Thursday. The report says that authorities are too slow in processing asylum claims, resulting in long waits in overcrowded facilities. In addition, they often become victims of the rising wave of xenophobia sweeping Greece.

"Greece's failure to respect the rights of migrants and asylum-seekers is taking on the proportions of a humanitarian crisis," said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Program Director at Amnesty International on a statement released Thursday. "Against a backdrop of sustained migratory pressure, profound economic crisis and rising xenophobic sentiment, Greece is proving itself incapable of providing even the most basic requirements of safety and shelter to the thousands of asylum seekers and migrants arriving each year."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/amnesty-international-blasts-greece-on-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-a-874073.html

[DrakoBlaria]

Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece

[Valentir]

Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece

Or you can stop treating people badly and quit being discriminatory.

[DrakoBlaria]

Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece

Or you can stop treating people badly and quit being discriminatory.

Discriminatory? Really? I would like to see how YOU would act if your country had the unemployment and poverty rates we have, the low pop we have and then 2.500.000 illegals coming in.
I am all for immigration, when it benifits the country and when it is checked. Right now it is not and the living standards are lowering (lower minium wage since they will work for anything, illegally and they also carry a lot of diseases Greece hadn't seen in centuries)

[Gravlen]

Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece

Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? The Greek government is using squalid and horrible conditions as an attempted deterrent against asylum seekers. Trouble is, many people come from even worse areas. Syrian refugees, with legitimate claims to asylum, are an example of people who simply cannot go back home.

Greece has an obligation to provide adequate care and living facilities for asylum seekers. It is true that the (already broken) Greek asylum system has been overwhelmed, but that doesn't mean that the answer is simply "get out". On the contrary, the answer is to seek cooperation from other EU member states, and have them help share the burden.

(That means that, while Greece is responsible and has a duty to attempt to alleviate the situation, the blame is also shared with the other EU member states, most of whom have been slow to react and not particularly helpful.)

[Libertarian California]

Hopefully Greece's European neighbors take care of this themselves. We're done fighting wars for a while.

[DrakoBlaria]

Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece

Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? The Greek government is using squalid and horrible conditions as an attempted deterrent against asylum seekers. Trouble is, many people come from even worse areas. Syrian refugees, with legitimate claims to asylum, are an example of people who simply cannot go back home.

Greece has an obligation to provide adequate care and living facilities for asylum seekers. It is true that the (already broken) Greek asylum system has been overwhelmed, but that doesn't mean that the answer is simply "get out". On the contrary, the answer is to seek cooperation from other EU member states, and have them help share the burden.

(That means that, while Greece is responsible and has a duty to attempt to alleviate the situation, the blame is also shared with the other EU member states, most of whom have been slow to react and not particularly helpful.)

Emm, I am all for protected Syrians but most immigrants are actually from Pakistan and African countries and are more than those who we can support

[Gravlen]

Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? The Greek government is using squalid and horrible conditions as an attempted deterrent against asylum seekers. Trouble is, many people come from even worse areas. Syrian refugees, with legitimate claims to asylum, are an example of people who simply cannot go back home.

Greece has an obligation to provide adequate care and living facilities for asylum seekers. It is true that the (already broken) Greek asylum system has been overwhelmed, but that doesn't mean that the answer is simply "get out". On the contrary, the answer is to seek cooperation from other EU member states, and have them help share the burden.

(That means that, while Greece is responsible and has a duty to attempt to alleviate the situation, the blame is also shared with the other EU member states, most of whom have been slow to react and not particularly helpful.)

Emm, I am all for protected Syrians but most immigrants are actually from Pakistan and African countries and are more than those who we can support

That might be true, but 20,000 Syrian refugees are still more than Greece can handle these days.

Also, a couple of things:
- Even if they're from Pakistan or African countries, doesn't mean they don't have a valid claim to asylum.
- Greece still has obligations towards asylum seekers from Pakistan and African countries.
- The situation can be improved if the asylum system is efficient. After a denial the applicant should be returned to his home country quickly. EU (Frontex) can help with that.

[Divided America]

I'm afraid what they do to Turks

[Republic of Greater America]

Who cares? I'm glad that err...Zeus is locking up the dregs of society. Only problem with it is that they should let the educated immigrants (although I doubt Zeus is throwing them in there) go. Beyond that, might as well throw the rest of them into the ocean, I'll still be celebrating!

Please explain how immigrants and LGBT are the "dregs" of society.

Immigrants tend to be poor, so they go on welfare and steal our hard earned money, and are more prone to crime, look at the Mexicans in America for goodness sakes. They, as a community have more violence and crime than most of America (the obvious exception being inner city ghettos), and as for LGBTs, well, frankly, they need to stop being so loud, most people get that they're "different" and all that crap, but when they say the same things over and over, it's annoying. And, also, when I said throw people into the ocean, I meant, tie them up in chains and drop them in ocean to DROWN them, not to teach them how to swim lol, if they want to swim, they can swim back home across the Mediterranean.