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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Bottle wrote:
St George wrote:This needs repeating again and again and again. It is a huge part of what Pride is about, showing ourselves and everyone else that it doesn't matter if you're as camp as Liberace (and that closet case has a /lot/ to answer for with regards to 'gay' culture) or are seen as 'straight as a board', everyone who identifies as queer, lgbt, whatever, is a natural, acceptable, lovable human being who isn't some freak who should be persecuted,whether that persecution comes from the state or from individuals.

I think what people are having trouble with is that Pride culture is evolving just like every other aspect of culture, and the pace of that evolution doesn't suit everyone.

Pride 1.0 was about fighting for and establishing the space to be out of the closet. Naturally, this tended to emphasize the aspects of gay culture that are distinct from mainstream culture, most obviously the camp culture for men which is so very transgressive because AMG GIRL COOTIES.

Pride 2.0 is more about fighting for and establishing the reality that, once out of the closet, gay people are just like everyone else. That is to say, gay people are a diverse group that is not defined purely by their faggitude. In some ways this will be harder than Pride 1.0, because 1.0 was about carving out our own space and 2.0 is about getting everyone to recognize that we are sharing the same space as non-queers. That can actually be a fuck of a lot more threatening to people, as evidenced by all the 'phobes who are okay with fags as long as we keep our fagging out of their sightline and don't accidentally remind them we exist.

The message that masculinity does not belong to straight men alone is going to cause some heads to explode (just ask the feminist movement about that one), and not just for straight people.

Which, in fact, is being illustrated quite clearly in this thread.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:48 pm

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Bottle wrote:Except...no?

I mean, I literally cannot think of anybody who holds that as the "primary picture" of gay culture.

I can, actually.

They're giant, unapologetic, raging homophobes however.

Well I guess that kind of supports my point. Cause, see, I live in a place where we've had gay marriage for a decade, so raging homophobes are the ones who are in the closet 'round these parts. Loud, out, Proud gay people did their flamboyant thang so well that we have effectively silenced the dwindling minority who are stupid enough that they can't tell the difference between a parade and a PTA meeting.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:49 pm

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!
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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!


They're so like, 80s. Ugh, really not fashionable anymore these days.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:50 pm

Bottle wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.

I want a model penis made of feather boas.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:51 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

I'm just confused about what a feather boa is.

I mean, birds and snakes are natural enemies, I'm not seeing how they could come together for something.
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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:51 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

I heard they're reminiscent of Chandler Bing's father.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:51 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

Well... the feathers do tend to get everywhere.

Other than that, maybe it's because they're traditionally feminine accessories and people have to remind everyone how much they hate women by taking it out on everything that's remotely associated with women.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

I'm just confused about what a feather boa is.

I mean, birds and snakes are natural enemies, I'm not seeing how they could come together for something.

Eventually, some Amazonian snakes realized that it would be really cool if they could fly. They thus became feather boas, the only non-winged flying animal.
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Postby Anti Communismm » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Dalmacie wrote:
Anti Communismm wrote:

150.000 to 340.000 Is a good number and shouldn't be underestimated .

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/1.4-million-march-against-gay-marriage-in-france-police-tear-gas-crowd-chil/

That's fantastic.

Which matters why?

You claimed it was large and significant, I proved otherwise.

You are now claiming that it is significant regardless, when it actually isn't.

400,000 is a, at best, average number to get for a protest in France.

Not to mention that the polls showed that the majority of the people still supported SSM regardless, and wanted the protests to stop.

Would you like a source? I am more than willing to provide them if you doubt my honesty again.



'm inclined to agree with the higher estimate, since it matches images of crowds during World Cup and other rallies which were estimated at 1 million plus. Certainly not the scant 1/4 mil head-counts on the official record but it's near that number.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

I'm just confused about what a feather boa is.

I mean, birds and snakes are natural enemies, I'm not seeing how they could come together for something.


\Well, snakes are reptiles, reptiles are related to dinosaurs and dinosaurs are related to birds. Face it, feather boas are a product of evolution :p
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Dakini wrote:Well... the feathers do tend to get everywhere.

Other than that, maybe it's because they're traditionally feminine accessories and people have to remind everyone how much they hate women by taking it out on everything that's remotely associated with women.


Here I was using them as a shorthand for camp.
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Postby Dalmacie » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Dalmacie wrote:10- 1 May 2002: 1.3 million march in Paris against the candidacy of Jean-Marine Le Pen in the presidential elections.


Really? Huh. I thought Le Pen was pretty cool judging from her principles.

The protests were against her father.

An unapologetic anti-Semitic Islamophobe, French nationalist, Catholic fundamentalist, and a close friend of numerous Nazi collaborators to boot.

His daughter is more mainstream and popular now, mostly because she dumped his most extreme, and unpopular positions. Anything to get elected eh?

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Bottle wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.

...I'm not sure if that would be best with or without feathers. I mean, if there are feathers on it too then you don't necessarily see the penises until you look closely which has the advantage that it will be funny to watch when people notice. If there are no feathers and it's clearly a bunch of sparkly penises then it's sparkly penises everywhere.

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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!


I'm never going to look at Hulk Hogan the same way again.

You only have to look to Brutus Beefcake to realise that.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:54 pm

Dakini wrote:
Bottle wrote:And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.

...I'm not sure if that would be best with or without feathers. I mean, if there are feathers on it too then you don't necessarily see the penises until you look closely which has the advantage that it will be funny to watch when people notice. If there are no feathers and it's clearly a bunch of sparkly penises then it's sparkly penises everywhere.


And what is exactly the problem with sparkly penises everywhere?
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Postby Dalmacie » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:54 pm

Anti Communismm wrote:

'm inclined to agree with the higher estimate, since it matches images of crowds during World Cup and other rallies which were estimated at 1 million plus. Certainly not the scant 1/4 mil head-counts on the official record but it's near that number.

That's fantastic, again.

I'm inclined to believe the police, and not the biased protesters.

Oh well, reality, there are different ways to look at it eh?

Except only one of them is actually true.

But what has honesty ever gotten me, am I right?

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:55 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!


They make me sneeze.

That's about it.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:56 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Dakini wrote:...I'm not sure if that would be best with or without feathers. I mean, if there are feathers on it too then you don't necessarily see the penises until you look closely which has the advantage that it will be funny to watch when people notice. If there are no feathers and it's clearly a bunch of sparkly penises then it's sparkly penises everywhere.


And what is exactly the problem with sparkly penises everywhere?

I'll let Bella Swan field that question...
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:56 pm

Bottle wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I can, actually.

They're giant, unapologetic, raging homophobes however.

Well I guess that kind of supports my point. Cause, see, I live in a place where we've had gay marriage for a decade, so raging homophobes are the ones who are in the closet 'round these parts. Loud, out, Proud gay people did their flamboyant thang so well that we have effectively silenced the dwindling minority who are stupid enough that they can't tell the difference between a parade and a PTA meeting.


Truly you live in paradise.

I, on the other hand, work in a small town in the midwest where people routinely make appallingly homophobic comments expecting me to find them funny.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:56 pm

Bottle wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.

Actually laughed, here. Especially because homophobes are often upset by sex in general.

Just the idea that people flip out about it making you look like a "subspecies" or "alien" is a good enough reason to wear them. I'm fucking tempted to wear them myself, now.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Bottle wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH FEATHER BOAS?? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?? DO THEY REMIND PEOPLE OF PENISES OR SOMETHING?!?!

And now I want a boa made of tiny sparkly penises.


*shudders*

Unless they're those of MRAs. I doubt we'd even have to do any resizing.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Bottle wrote:
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And what is exactly the problem with sparkly penises everywhere?

I'll let Bella Swan field that question...


I had to look up who that is. Thanks, now my google search history contains Twilight.

And I still do not get the reference, since I quickly closed the tab.
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