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What is your denomination?

Catholic
300
31%
Eastern Orthodox
101
10%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
8
1%
Lutheran
65
7%
Baptist
101
10%
Reformed (Calvinism, Presbyterianism, etc.)
48
5%
Anglican/Episcopalian
61
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
19
2%
Non-Denominational
148
15%
Other Christian
130
13%
 
Total votes : 981

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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:34 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Holy Catholic Union wrote:Can I get an ''Amen''?!

:eyebrow: :eyebrow:

You were suppose to say ''Amen'' if you agreed with the statement.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:34 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote: :eyebrow: :eyebrow:

You were suppose to say ''Amen'' if you agreed with the statement.
That Jesus loves people more than they know.



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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:35 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Holy Catholic Union wrote:You were suppose to say ''Amen'' if you agreed with the statement.
That Jesus loves people more than they know.



I don't honk either.

Why not brother?
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:36 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Don't steal, murder, give to charity, help the downtrodden, live a live of abstinence concerning drugs and alcohol, sex within marriage.

And yet no belief in Jesus.

(Sorry to butt in, I know you were asking Lenin.)



Well, I was just wondering as God and Good go hand in hand. Both derive from old English, God derived from the old english god, and good derived from the adjective form of god (with a long o, can't figure out conjugating symbols on chrome). In essence, Culturally and Historically speaking, Goodly means to be Godly, or more pointedly within Western Culture, Christian.


Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:36 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

I don't honk either.

Why not brother?


1 Corinthians 13:11
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:37 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Well, I was just wondering as God and Good go hand in hand. Both derive from old English, God derived from the old english god, and good derived from the adjective form of god (with a long o, can't figure out conjugating symbols on chrome). In essence, Culturally and Historically speaking, Goodly means to be Godly, or more pointedly within Western Culture, Christian.


Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?


I think it's based upon faith in Jesus as the Messiah.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:38 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?


I think it's based upon faith in Jesus as the Messiah.

Welp. It looks like I'm going to burn in hell.

But hey, I love warm weather!
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:38 pm

As a Southern Baptist I believe in once you are saved you are always saved. But what if you decide you no longer want to be a Christian or say you reject Christ after getting saved, are you still saved?
1 John 1:9

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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:39 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?


I think it's based upon faith in Jesus as the Messiah.


Why would faith be pertinent in respect to one's entrance in heaven?
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:39 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

Well, I was just wondering as God and Good go hand in hand. Both derive from old English, God derived from the old english god, and good derived from the adjective form of god (with a long o, can't figure out conjugating symbols on chrome). In essence, Culturally and Historically speaking, Goodly means to be Godly, or more pointedly within Western Culture, Christian.


Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?

Believing in Jesus and keeping his commandments is what will save one's self.
Jesus loves all of us so he gave us a chance. To accept him and be moral to be saved from sin.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Nordengrund wrote:As a Southern Baptist I believe in once you are saved you are always saved. But what if you decide you no longer want to be a Christian or say you reject Christ after getting saved, are you still saved?



What constitutes being saved?
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
I think it's based upon faith in Jesus as the Messiah.


Why would faith be pertinent in respect to one's entrance in heaven?



"You're not God, but hey can I still crash in your crib?"
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:40 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Well someone can be "good", disregarding the cultural context of the word, in the sense that they do morally positive acts and yet lack a belief in God, yes?

Does this person still get to go to heaven? Or is entrance entirely based upon belief in Jesus? As if that changes anything?

Believing in Jesus and keeping his commandments is what will save one's self.
Jesus loves all of us so he gave us a chance. To accept him and be moral to be saved from sin.


So a moral life is not enough? Jesus actually cares whether you believe in him or not?


Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Why would faith be pertinent in respect to one's entrance in heaven?



"You're not God, but hey can I still crash in your crib?"


Assuming that conciousness lives on after death, It'd be reasonable to assume that one's faith in God would change the instant they 'saw' him in the afterlife.
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
I think it's based upon faith in Jesus as the Messiah.

Welp. It looks like I'm going to burn in hell.

But hey, I love warm weather!

Not if you repent.
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Postby Spiritual Universalism » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Spiritual Universalism wrote:
Understandable, but he said:



He just implies the use of "higher level" priests-believers to "protect from the wolves" and "guide in the right direction". Thus he creates a separation and division already in the community.

So we are not talking about a unity and commonwealth of all believers (in his words "Church"), but the separation between the Shepherds and the rest.

People don't need shepherds, people need to find their own way to the High Truth. No one will tell me what to do and how I will approach the Spiritual. Suggestions yes. But orders or even instructions, no. I believe it's a personal quest.


Jesus and Paul say you're wrong.


First you just plain ignore my logical request by saying that you don't have time to educate me (when I didn't ask you that).

Then, you are making me "wrong" with one sentence by calling the names of two spiritual humans of their era.

At least could I learn where I am wrong?
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:41 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Holy Catholic Union wrote:Why not brother?


1 Corinthians 13:11

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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:41 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Welp. It looks like I'm going to burn in hell.

But hey, I love warm weather!

Not if you repent.

I want to go to hell. The weather is warm.
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:43 pm

Blasveck wrote:
The Holy Catholic Union wrote:Believing in Jesus and keeping his commandments is what will save one's self.
Jesus loves all of us so he gave us a chance. To accept him and be moral to be saved from sin.


So a moral life is not enough? Jesus actually cares whether you believe in him or not?


Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

"You're not God, but hey can I still crash in your crib?"


Assuming that conciousness lives on after death, It'd be reasonable to assume that one's faith in God would change the instant they 'saw' him in the afterlife.

We are imperfect, our imperfect deeds cannot save us from sin. We need Jesus in order to be saved from sin.
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Postby The Holy Catholic Union » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:45 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
The Holy Catholic Union wrote:Not if you repent.

I want to go to hell. The weather is warm.

You won't be saying that once you get there. Being seperated from Gods eternal love is a horrible thing and the pain of hell.
I hope you consider the gravity of your choice. Amen.
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Postby Baobalt » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Because God cares about every single one of you overzealous crazies. LGBT rights CHECK for Atheists, Christians reaction poor. Abortion widespread legal for assault victims for Atheists, for christians not so much. Tell me more about your great, powerful, fair, and unbiased religion. :palm:
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Spiritual Universalism wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Jesus and Paul say you're wrong.


First you just plain ignore my logical request by saying that you don't have time to educate me (when I didn't ask you that).

Then, you are making me "wrong" with one sentence by calling the names of two spiritual humans of their era.

At least could I learn where I am wrong?



Jesus referred to himself as the Good Shepard, in many ways. Most notably that he would lay his life for us, but also, because "John 10: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."

We aren't called to find higher truth, we are called to follow Christ.

Then Christ established "HIS" church, on Peter, and told him to "Tend my sheep" .

One's one view is not enough, because Satan offers much deception. The Clergy tend the Sheep, and in unison they create One Church.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
A. Lincoln: "My concern is not whether God is on our side, My greatest concern is to be on God's side."
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:As a Southern Baptist I believe in once you are saved you are always saved. But what if you decide you no longer want to be a Christian or say you reject Christ after getting saved, are you still saved?



What constitutes being saved?


Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior and that he died for your sins. Pray for Salvation and forgiveness. Pray like this: A) Admit that you are a sinner. B) Believe that He died for you. C) Confess your sins and ask for forgiveness.

That's it.
1 John 1:9

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Postby Spiritual Universalism » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
So a moral life is not enough? Jesus actually cares whether you believe in him or not?




Assuming that conciousness lives on after death, It'd be reasonable to assume that one's faith in God would change the instant they 'saw' him in the afterlife.

We are imperfect, our imperfect deeds cannot save us from sin. We need Jesus in order to be saved from sin.


You underestimate our power and mission my friend.
Believe in yourself. Try to perfect your Spirit and then your Soul will ascend to a Higher State of Being.

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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

The Holy Catholic Union wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
So a moral life is not enough? Jesus actually cares whether you believe in him or not?




Assuming that conciousness lives on after death, It'd be reasonable to assume that one's faith in God would change the instant they 'saw' him in the afterlife.

We are imperfect, our imperfect deeds cannot save us from sin. We need Jesus in order to be saved from sin.

What exactly constitutes 'being saved'?

Living a moral life?

If our deeds are imperfect, then how does the concious act of belief then suffice?
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Postby Baobalt » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:48 pm

Leningrad Union, you are my favorite person right now
Leningrad Union wrote:
I want to go to hell. The weather is warm.
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