The Economist Says Affirmative Action Is Bad Unsurprise

[Cosmopoles]

So, surprising as this may sound, a journal writen largely for middle class white people says that Affirmative Action is a Bad Thing. I dunno, seems to me like the best way to get people comfortable with the idea of the currently underprivelaged being in certain places, and the usual people who complain about not getting into uni "because of Affirmative Action" are people who are at the shitty end of the intellectual wedge.

But you might have a different opinion, indeed I'm sure many of you will. So let fly with your words like it's about to be argument bukkake on this thread's face, etc.

I'm not really sure how The Economist is written 'for' white people - you may wish to refer to their long held editorial stances on issues such as immigration and multiculturalism - but their argument is not that disadvantaged people do not need more support to succeed but that affirmative action is a poor tool to achieve that compared to actually investing in underfunded schools in the poorer parts of the US and that accepting no bid tenders from companies owned by extremely wealthy ethnic minority businessmen does not represent the most effective use of limited taxppayer money.

[Afalia]

The Economist is a British magazine. It's not written for white middle class people-it's an international magazine which looks at news all around the world, which has been around for donkey's years, since before affirmative action existed. It's also one of the best magazines I've ever read-is smart, sensible and takes a 'radical centrist' position. Don't diss it.

[Condunum]

People who make useless excuses here are the same people who will make an excuse about anything. They aren't a good argument.

I'm not sure what excuse it is I'm accused of making, I thought it was just an observation. Folks here are really hostile and aggressive in their discourse, it seems.

Checkyiur ego and then reread what I said.

[Saiwania]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White" names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.

[Mavorpen]

Oh, so you don't know what the word "entirely" means?

Then don't fucking use it.

You're right. Segregation is not entirely eliminated; it is mostly eliminated.

Too bad this is STILL misleading, since you are almost certainly referring to a certain type of segregation: de jure. In reality, de facto segregation is very, very real to this day.

Nevertheless, even if most of the segregation has been eliminated, the very fact that it still exists is more than enough to warrant the need for AA.

[Mavorpen]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.

And now you're going to need to source your conclusion.

[Mavorpen]

So let me get this straight. You're literally whining that you won't have privileges anymore. Are you fucking kidding me? That doesn't sound the least bit racist to you?

I was explaining the rationale behind my previous post more so than complaining about a loss of privilege. What I object to is non-Whites inheriting the privilege previously held by Whites in addition to still getting affirmative action while Whites will not ever qualify because they are seen as having been historically advantaged for too long.

This is quite honestly just as stupid as whining that about a loss of privilege, since, you know, it's not ground in reality.

[New Chalcedon]

The Economist is a British magazine. It's not written for white middle class people-it's an international magazine which looks at news all around the world, which has been around for donkey's years, since before affirmative action existed. It's also one of the best magazines I've ever read-is smart, sensible and takes a 'radical centrist' position. Don't diss it.

The Economist is a neoliberal rag with Soapbox Sadie levels of desire to impart the "benefits" (such as they are and such as there are of them) of neoliberal economic policies.

[Dulkadar]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.

Really? Wyatt?

[Technocratic Primacy]

I'm not sure what excuse it is I'm accused of making, I thought it was just an observation. Folks here are really hostile and aggressive in their discourse, it seems.

Checkyiur ego and then reread what I said.

Oh jeez

I need another cup of coffee

[Ifreann]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names.

None of these names sound English to me.

It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Look up the word "objectively" and reformulate this idea.

[Mavorpen]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names.

None of these names sound English to me.

It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Look up the word "objectively" and reformulate this idea.

Objectively, trees are assholes.

[Neo Art]

It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

....holy shit

[Cosmopoles]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White" names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.

Take three names from the white males and one from the black males and you've got every American boy band ever.

[Vazdania]

Time to scrap affirmative action

ABOVE the entrance to America’s Supreme Court four words are carved: “Equal justice under law”. The court is pondering whether affirmative action breaks that promise. The justices recently accepted a case concerning a vote in Michigan that banned it, and will soon rule on whether the University of Texas’s race-conscious admissions policies are lawful. The question in both cases is as simple as it is divisive: should government be colour-blind?

America is one of many countries where the state gives a leg-up to members of certain racial, ethnic, or other groups by holding them to different standards. The details vary. In some countries, the policy applies only to areas under direct state control, such as public-works contracts or admission to public universities. In others, private firms are also obliged to take account of the race of their employees, contractors and even owners. But the effects are strikingly similar around the world (see article).

Many of these policies were put in place with the best of intentions: to atone for past injustices and ameliorate their legacy. No one can deny that, for example, blacks in America or dalits in India (members of the caste once branded “untouchable”) have suffered grievous wrongs, and continue to suffer discrimination. Favouring members of these groups seems like a quick and effective way of making society fairer.

Most of these groups have made great progress. But establishing how much credit affirmative action can take is hard, when growth also brings progress and some of the good—for example the confidence-boosting effect of creating prominent role models for a benighted group—is intangible. And it is impossible to know how a targeted group would have got on without this special treatment. Malays are three times richer in Singapore, where they do not get preferences, than in next-door Malaysia, where they do. At the same time, the downside of affirmative action has become all too apparent.

(Loads) More Words Etc. Here

So, surprising as this may sound, a journal writen largely for middle class white people says that Affirmative Action is a Bad Thing. I dunno, seems to me like the best way to get people comfortable with the idea of the currently underprivelaged being in certain places, and the usual people who complain about not getting into uni "because of Affirmative Action" are people who are at the shitty end of the intellectual wedge.

But you might have a different opinion, indeed I'm sure many of you will. So let fly with your words like it's about to be argument bukkake on this thread's face, etc.

Affirmative Action is unfair. Remove it now.

[Saiwania]

....holy shit

It is harsh and will offend people but no less true, if you only had 2 first names to go on, would you rather hire John or Jafreese? Which do you think rolls off of the tongue better in a business setting?

[Mavorpen]

....holy shit

It is harsh and will offend people but no less true, if you only had 2 first names to go on, would you rather hire John or Jafreese? Which do you think rolls off of the tongue better in a business setting?

Jafreese, by far. Who the fuck wants to hire someone with such a bland and generic name such as "John?"

[Technocratic Primacy]

It is harsh and will offend people but no less true, if you only had 2 first names to go on, would you rather hire John or Jafreese? Which do you think rolls off of the tongue better in a business setting?

Jafreese, by far. Who the fuck wants to hire someone with such a bland and generic name such as "John?"

Businessmen, especially the ones that like to make money.

[Mavorpen]

Jafreese, by far. Who the fuck wants to hire someone with such a bland and generic name such as "John?"

Businessmen, especially the ones that like to make money.

Which is why you hire Jafreese.

[Technocratic Primacy]

Businessmen, especially the ones that like to make money.

Which is why you hire Jafreese.

Why?

[Mavorpen]

Which is why you hire Jafreese.

Why?

John is obviously an unproductive worker. He will contribute nothing special to the company, and this is expressed through his name. John is a bland and unspectacular name that demonstrates a lack of creativity and imagination. Ont he other hand, Jafreese is obviously special. He will contribute substantially to the company due to obvious critical thinking skills that allow for a very creative mind and will thus create a more productive person.

[Norstal]

With regards to the employers choosing White sounding names over Black sounding names bit, here are the top 20 "Black" names for male and female and the top 20 "White" names for male and female:

Black female: Imani, Ebony, Shanice, Aaliyah, Precious, Nia, Deja, Diamond, Asia, Aliyah, Jada, Tierra, Tiara, Kiara, Jazmine, Jasmin, Jazmin, Jasmine, Alexus, Raven.

Black male: DeShawn, DeAndre, Marquis, Darnell, Terrell, Malik, Trevon, Tyrone, Willie, Dominique, Demetrius, Reginald, Jamal, Maurice, Jalen, Darius, Xavier, Terrance, Andre, Darryl.

White female: Molly, Amy, Claire, Emily, Katie, Madeline, Katelyn, Emma, Abigail, Carly, Jenna, Heather, Katherine, Caitlin, Kaitlin, Holly, Allison, Kaitlyn, Hannah, Kathryn.

White male: Jake, Connor, Tanner, Wyatt, Cody, Dustin, Luke, Jack, Scott, Logan, Cole, Lucas, Bradley, Jacob, Garrett, Dylan, Maxwell, Hunter, Brett, Colin.

What do the Black sounding names have in common? Well, they are not proper English names. It appears to me that some employers aren't hiring Black people not because they're Black, but because the names objectively speaking do not sound sophisticated or professional.

Of course you aren't going to be hired with a name like "precious" or "moonbeam." If my parents named me something ridiculous, I would have it legally changed if I thought that my first name hinders more than helps me.

...Which is why we should have affirmative action instead of spending money they don't have to legally change names, right?

[Alien Space Bats]

For college admissions, for instance - as blunt as it sounds, I don't care if you're a half-black half-Mexican female, if you want to get into the same school as me, you should have to do the same fucking stuff. It's not fair that I should be punished for being white or male. It is absolutely reverse discrimination, and no amount of lefty PC lotion can fix that.

So if you and a half-black half-Mexican female are applying for a position, and your accomplishments and qualifications are equal, choose you over her?

<pause>

'Cause that's what's going to happen. Studies have shown that in the absence of affirmative action, the tie goes to the white candidate (and preferably to the white male candidate).

It doesn't surprise me that people who yearn for the Return of the 50's™ long to eliminate affirmative action.

[Technocratic Primacy]

Why?

John is obviously an unproductive worker. He will contribute nothing special to the company, and this is expressed through his name. John is a bland and unspectacular name that demonstrates a lack of creativity and imagination. Ont he other hand, Jafreese is obviously special. He will contribute substantially to the company due to obvious critical thinking skills that allow for a very creative mind and will thus create a more productive person.

I am amused.

[Neo Art]

....holy shit

It is harsh and will offend people but no less true, if you only had 2 first names to go on, would you rather hire John or Jafreese? Which do you think rolls off of the tongue better in a business setting?

You...um...you really don't get it, do you?

I mean, jesus fucking christ, are people really THAT badly educated that "it's not racism, white names just sound BETTER than black names" actually seems like a reasonable proposition?

Have we sunk that fucking low?