let's talk feminism

[Divair]

In our land women serve in elite storm units of Peoples army and famous for taking few prisoners.
Anorexics are treated and converted into fleshy musculant Amazons.

All housekeeping chores and all work are done by male slaves we capture during our conquests. Captured women usually volunteer to join our glorious Peoples Army.

Issue of sexual needs also solved by large pool of genetically created males exclusively for use by our women.

All of it is crated by Caring People's Politburo, who's gender is a State Secret.

General is OOC.

[Ethel mermania]

to be fair "legitimate rape" is one of the primary reasons mrs mermania did vote for mr. obama. i cant argue the point that some of my fellow republicans members are idiots, and not treating rape as the serious offense that it is will hurt all of us in the long run.

I have no clue who that is.

mr. obama? (the president elect of the us)
or
mrs mermania? my lovely wife

[The Emerald Dawn]

I have no clue who that is.

mr. obama? (the president elect of the us)
or
mrs mermania? my lovely wife

It's a holiday in Mermania, its tough kid, but its life!

[Homosexy]

I... um... what?

I'll try to translate this.

"Because rapists are afraid of being severely punished, they will often kill their victim or harm them to the point where they cannot report them or are afraid to. Thus, if we punish them less severely, then rape will increase, but at least the victims will come out less harmed."

I just ate breakfast. I really don't want to taste it a second time

[Sheariliik]

I have little idea what is going on here, so I'm just going to state my thoughts on the issues



Rape:
Horrible, but tolerable. I feel rape should be, and this may sound awful, downlplayed. Punishment for rape should be diminished, with priority given to other crimes attached to it. Thus, victims of rape would be less likely to be murdered or kidnapped to cover it up- as then their punishment would only be more severe. It'd also help against violent rape, I imagine, in which the victim gets beaten in the process...
I would hope that in doing so, rape becomes perhaps more common (unfortunate), but who knows- maybe less. But primarily: It becomes more survivable.
Nothing makes me feel more sad then hearing about someone who was raped and murdered, or kept in captivity for years, or even at all. In my heart, I'd rather see it become more frequent but something easily survivable then something all the more tragic and life ending.
More support should be given to the victims of these crimes, the government covering costs derived from a rape... Just my thoughts.

WTF. Are you stoned as hell right now?

[Poobah]

He is, to women. It's usually the husbands who think otherwise.

Hey, I was up on women's rights to control their own bodies before it was popular. Or allowed. Or legal.

Congratulations on being an early supporter of murder.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Hey, I was up on women's rights to control their own bodies before it was popular. Or allowed. Or legal.

Congratulations on being an early supporter of murder.

Never open a card shop.

[Individuality-ness]

Hey, I was up on women's rights to control their own bodies before it was popular. Or allowed. Or legal.

Congratulations on being an early supporter of murder.

Abortion is not murder. No human life is lost if it's a safe abortion.

[Galloism]

Hey, I was up on women's rights to control their own bodies before it was popular. Or allowed. Or legal.

Congratulations on being an early supporter of murder.

There is a running gag between Farn and I on this forum of which you seem to be blissfully unaware.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Congratulations on being an early supporter of murder.

Never open a card shop.

Congratulations on your gift of herpes!
We're sorry to hear you graduated High School.
You're adopted!

[Homosexy]

I have little idea what is going on here, so I'm just going to state my thoughts on the issues



Rape:
Horrible, but tolerable. I feel rape should be, and this may sound awful, downlplayed. Punishment for rape should be diminished, with priority given to other crimes attached to it. Thus, victims of rape would be less likely to be murdered or kidnapped to cover it up- as then their punishment would only be more severe. It'd also help against violent rape, I imagine, in which the victim gets beaten in the process...
I would hope that in doing so, rape becomes perhaps more common (unfortunate), but who knows- maybe less. But primarily: It becomes more survivable.
Nothing makes me feel more sad then hearing about someone who was raped and murdered, or kept in captivity for years, or even at all. In my heart, I'd rather see it become more frequent but something easily survivable then something all the more tragic and life ending.
More support should be given to the victims of these crimes, the government covering costs derived from a rape... Just my thoughts.

WTF. Are you stoned as hell right now?

Whatever they're smoking, I want some.

[Ethel mermania]

mr. obama? (the president elect of the us)
or
mrs mermania? my lovely wife

It's a holiday in Mermania, its tough kid, but its life!

exactly, just like its always sunny in philadelphia.
*nods*

[Ethel mermania]

Never open a card shop.

Congratulations on your gift of herpes!
We're sorry to hear you graduated High School.
You're adopted!

roses are red
violets are blue
i am fucking your wife
and your little girl too.

[The Corparation]

Honestly I feel that Rape is worse then the kidnapping or murdering part. Kidnapping takes some time and psychological damage but pales in comparison to rape, murder you're dead so you can't really complain. Rape though, takes away a persons dignity, plus their trust in others, and also others trust in them. None of those is an easy thing to get back. Plus there's the fact that most rape isn't done in conjunction with murder by a random stranger, but instead by people taking advantage over someone they know. That's the really brutal part about rape.

The psychological damage of kidnapping pales in comparison to rape? Kidnapping and becoming somebody's item doesn't take away dignity and trust?

What?

I'm not saying kidnapping isn't traumatic.. I'm saying its probably not as traumatic as rape often. Mostly because if you get kidnapped, people aren't going to really doubt that you got kidnapped, whereas many of the rape victims I've talked wit had trouble getting some people to believe they were actually rapped. I think the disbelief that rape victims often get would be more traumatic and devastating then simple kidnapping. Of course not having been raped or kidnapped I don't really have any personal reference point.

[Galloism]

Congratulations on your gift of herpes!
We're sorry to hear you graduated High School.
You're adopted!

roses are red
violets are blue
i am fucking your wife
and your little girl too.

...

*writes that down*

[Pariniah]

I know what you are talking about, I just don't jump to conclusions.

Except reading the actual context, he wasn't speaking of false reports.

While I find it unfortunate that you would completely disregard everything in the post over a simple wording, it is nonetheless a valid argument. The phrase "legitimate rape" was used because I have to be able to distinguish between actual rapes and instances were women felt guilty or ashamed the morning after but that counted as rape in the study, after all it is the conductors of the study who what rape is, I am sure if you asked many of those women if they were raped, or simply made a poor choice, many would say they weren't raped, however the study claims they are rape victims. In situations such as these it becomes necessary to distinguish between "legitimate rapes" and the situations previously described. As for the lack of links it is a well known fact that when you take information directly from an advocacy groups website, it has to be taken with a grain of salt since it is they, not the women who were questioned/interviewed, who decides who got raped and who didn't.

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

Besides if you think about it logically, how many women do you know that would identify themselves as rape victims? For this study to be remotely true at any given house party of about 50 people where lets say 30 of them are women then there are between 6 and 8 rape victims or attempted rape victims(depending on whether you prefer the 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 statistic) That would be unreal, there is no way you wouldn't notice that happening attempted or not.

[Homosexy]

Except reading the actual context, he wasn't speaking of false reports.

While I find it unfortunate that you would completely disregard everything in the post over a simple wording, it is nonetheless a valid argument. The phrase "legitimate rape" was used because I have to be able to distinguish between actual rapes and instances were women felt guilty or ashamed the morning after but that counted as rape in the study, after all it is the conductors of the study who what rape is, I am sure if you asked many of those women if they were raped, or simply made a poor choice, many would say they weren't raped, however the study claims they are rape victims. In situations such as these it becomes necessary to distinguish between "legitimate rapes" and the situations previously described. As for the lack of links it is a well known fact that when you take information directly from an advocacy groups website, it has to be taken with a grain of salt since it is they, not the women who were questioned/interviewed, who decides who got raped and who didn't.

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

Besides if you think about it logically, how many women do you know that would identify themselves as rape victims? For this study to be remotely true at any given house party of about 50 people where lets say 30 of them are women then there are between 6 and 8 rape victims or attempted rape victims(depending on whether you prefer the 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 statistic) That would be unreal, there is no way you wouldn't notice that happening attempted or not.

That is real. That is reality. Out of the first 10 girls I told after I was raped, 6 of them came back with "me too", told me their stories, and I never would have known. Because of this concept of victim blaming, and all the taboo around rape, women are afraid to come out about it. So of course, out of 30 people, 6 to 8 of them have been raped or escaped from the situation, is astronomical and sickening, but it's reality.

[Metaphaust]

Or we could try to prevent it, because rape (read: sexual violence) is a horribly scarring experience, and even with counselling and all the support in the world, it stays with you forever.

Law enforcement doesn't do anything to prevent crimes, anything it prevents is just because they fear what comes later. Prevention isn't something that exists, what they do is clean up the mess after crime is committed. There are of course situations where something can prevented, like a theft of something important that takes time. During which time law enforcement can arrive on scene.

I'll try to translate this.

"Because rapists are afraid of being severely punished, they will often kill their victim or harm them to the point where they cannot report them or are afraid to. Thus, if we punish them less severely, then rape will increase, but at least the victims will come out less harmed."

I lost brain cells just typing that.

Somewhat close. The idea is to magnify punishment that is attached to it, break the situation down into as many alternative crimes as possible. Thefts, kidnappings, violence, and so on. Punish the criminals based on those foremost before punishing for the rape. Make criminals fear harming the victim more then the act itself. Then support the victim thereafter to recovery, since there is always the future. And the idea here is to better guarantee a future.

Metaphaust clearly has a nonexistent knowledge of what rape, psychology or common sense are.

Yea, no.
I have limited experience first hand, of course. Considering I already have a fairly broken psyche and have never been raped(That said, most people in power do not have first hand experience to anything and is not really something typically factored) But I do my best to study laws, crime, and psychology. Meanwhile common sense is something loosely interpreted and is different to every individual.

If no one was allowed to express new ideas, well, then we'd be in the dark ages still.

Whatever they're smoking, I want some.

My house does not have many walls or doors, plenty of smoke from the kitchen (which is about eight feet away). So to answer you it'd be a combination of elk, chicken, bread, cheese, and butter. Today however there is more fish in the air. I really wish there was a ventilation system in here.


I don't have as good an understanding on psychological damage as I would like. I'm sure it must hurt, but that's an area I can't feel very well. I'm not very receptive to pain. I just see it as my own weakness and try not to care. Emotionally, I guess I'm fairly dead. This would effect my choices, as I'd care more about physical well being of those I know.

This forum is very harsh to anyone who expresses differing opinions it seems. I'll keep from posting here in the future. Edit: I'm not saying this because of the replies I've received, it's a general fact I've witnessed reading a variety of topics.

[Mavorpen]

While I find it unfortunate that you would completely disregard everything in the post over a simple wording, it is nonetheless a valid argument.

I didn't.

The phrase "legitimate rape" was used because I have to be able to distinguish between actual rapes and instances were women felt guilty or ashamed the morning after but that counted as rape in the study, after all it is the conductors of the study who what rape is, I am sure if you asked many of those women if they were raped, or simply made a poor choice, many would say they weren't raped, however the study claims they are rape victims.

I'm STILL waiting for this study.

In situations such as these it becomes necessary to distinguish between "legitimate rapes" and the situations previously described. As for the lack of links it is a well known fact that when you take information directly from an advocacy groups website, it has to be taken with a grain of salt since it is they, not the women who were questioned/interviewed, who decides who got raped and who didn't.

What?

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

I'm not going to take a website that generalizes feminists seriously.

[Mavorpen]

Somewhat close. The idea is to magnify punishment that is attached to it, break the situation down into as many alternative crimes as possible. Thefts, kidnappings, violence, and so on. Punish the criminals based on those foremost before punishing for the rape. Make criminals fear harming the victim more then the act itself. Then support the victim thereafter to recovery, since there is always the future. And the idea here is to better guarantee a future.

Care to provide any evidence this would work?

[Metaphaust]

Somewhat close. The idea is to magnify punishment that is attached to it, break the situation down into as many alternative crimes as possible. Thefts, kidnappings, violence, and so on. Punish the criminals based on those foremost before punishing for the rape. Make criminals fear harming the victim more then the act itself. Then support the victim thereafter to recovery, since there is always the future. And the idea here is to better guarantee a future.

Care to provide any evidence this would work?

I cannot, as I've never seen it implemented. To me, this seems like the logical outcome.
If you were to violate someone in this manner, while the punishments for that would exist but would not be all too severe. Would you risk racking up serious additional punishments or risk the punishment(s) you will already receive in the case you get caught?
An idea would be that rape has minimal punishments, measured in months or decades or alternative punishments (something we should think on, rather then serving time in jail for everything.), meanwhile have it serve as a focus point that enhances the severity of additional crimes. A crime that would cause you to serve ten years would amount to twenty or fifteen years if the modifiers given by connecting the crime to rape are applied. Just as an example.

And I'd like to state that any of these are all just that, ideas. I am not suggesting they are better, worse, or superior or anything to that effect. I'm just stating thoughts and suggestions that could be explored.
I do not know if my idea will achieve the outcome I imagine it would, which is why this is just a theory. Everything in life is a theory until proven right or wrong.

[Individuality-ness]

Care to provide any evidence this would work?

I cannot, as I've never seen it implemented. To me, this seems like the logical outcome.
If you were to violate someone in this manner, while the punishments for that would exist but would not be all too severe. Would you risk racking up serious additional punishments or risk the punishment(s) you will already receive in the case you get caught?
An idea would be that rape has minimal punishments, measured in months or decades or alternative punishments (something we should think on, rather then serving time in jail for everything.), meanwhile have it serve as a focus point that enhances the severity of additional crimes. A crime that would cause you to serve ten years would amount to twenty or fifteen years if the modifiers given by connecting the crime to rape are applied. Just as an example.

And I'd like to state that any of these are all just that, ideas. I am not suggesting they are better, worse, or superior or anything to that effect. I'm just stating thoughts and suggestions that could be explored.
I do not know if my idea will achieve the outcome I imagine it would, which is why this is just a theory. Everything in life is a theory until proven right or wrong.

So are you suggesting that rape - an act that violates the victim's sense of self and causes numerous mental issues that can never be fully resolved no matter how much therapy one can put themselves through - ought to be categorized as a misdemeanor?

[Mavorpen]

I cannot, as I've never seen it implemented. To me, this seems like the logical outcome.
If you were to violate someone in this manner, while the punishments for that would exist but would not be all too severe. Would you risk racking up serious additional punishments or risk the punishment(s) you will already receive in the case you get caught?

I'm not that well versed in the issue of rape, but I'm pretty sure you can be charged with more than one crime: both rape, and violence (although I'm not sure why you'd want to even separate them in the first place).

An idea would be that rape has minimal punishments, measured in months or decades or alternative punishments (something we should think on, rather then serving time in jail for everything.), meanwhile have it serve as a focus point that enhances the severity of additional crimes. A crime that would cause you to serve ten years would amount to twenty or fifteen years if the modifiers given by connecting the crime to rape are applied. Just as an example.

Or, we can have our current system where you're punished regardless.

And I'd like to state that any of these are all just that, ideas. I am not suggesting they are better, worse, or superior or anything to that effect. I'm just stating thoughts and suggestions that could be explored.
I do not know if my idea will achieve the outcome I imagine it would, which is why this is just a theory. Everything in life is a theory until proven right or wrong.

Please don't use the word theory in this way.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I cannot, as I've never seen it implemented. To me, this seems like the logical outcome.
If you were to violate someone in this manner, while the punishments for that would exist but would not be all too severe. Would you risk racking up serious additional punishments or risk the punishment(s) you will already receive in the case you get caught?

I'm not that well versed in the issue of rape, but I'm pretty sure you can be charged with more than one crime: both rape, and violence (although I'm not sure why you'd want to even separate them in the first place).

An idea would be that rape has minimal punishments, measured in months or decades or alternative punishments (something we should think on, rather then serving time in jail for everything.), meanwhile have it serve as a focus point that enhances the severity of additional crimes. A crime that would cause you to serve ten years would amount to twenty or fifteen years if the modifiers given by connecting the crime to rape are applied. Just as an example.

Or, we can have our current system where you're punished regardless.

And I'd like to state that any of these are all just that, ideas. I am not suggesting they are better, worse, or superior or anything to that effect. I'm just stating thoughts and suggestions that could be explored.
I do not know if my idea will achieve the outcome I imagine it would, which is why this is just a theory. Everything in life is a theory until proven right or wrong.

Please don't use the word theory in this way.

Well, logically we'd abolish the crime of rape and instead implement an intelligently designed system of assault laws that removes the inherent gender biases in the system.

[Mavorpen]

Well, logically we'd abolish the crime of rape and instead implement an intelligently designed system of assault laws that removes the inherent gender biases in the system.

Wat