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North Carolina Bans Same-Sex Marriage and Civil Unions

Postby Threlizdun » Tue May 08, 2012 8:46 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/amendment-one-north-carolina_n_1501308.html
RALEIGH, N.C. -- North Carolina voters approved a constitutional amendment Tuesday defining marriage solely as a union between a man and a woman, becoming the latest state to effectively slam the door shut on same-sex marriages.

With most of the precincts reporting Tuesday, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent against. North Carolina is the 30th state to adopt such a ban on gay marriage.

Tami Fitzgerald, who heads the pro-amendment group Vote FOR Marriage NC, said she believes the initiative awoke a silent majority of more active voters in the future.

"I think it sends a message to the rest of the country that marriage is between one man and one woman," Fitzgerald said at a celebration Tuesday night. "The whole point is simply that you don't rewrite the nature of God's design based on the demands of a group of adults."

In the final days before the vote, members of President Barack Obama's cabinet expressed support for gay marriage and former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to oppose the amendment.

Supporters of the amendment responded with marches, television ads and speeches. The Rev. Billy Graham was featured in full-page newspaper ads backing the amendment.

North Carolina law already bans gay marriage, but an amendment effectively seals the door on same-sex marriages.

The amendment also goes beyond state law by voiding other types of domestic unions from carrying legal status, which opponents warn could disrupt protection orders for unmarried couples.

The campaign manager for the group that opposed the amendment said the nation watched North Carolina on Tuesday night, wondering how the anti-forces came through.




"I am happy to say that we are stronger for it; we are better for it; our voices are louder now," said Jeremy Kennedy of Protect All NC Families. "We have courage like we never had before, and we have strength to continue on."

Supporters had run their own ad campaigns and church leaders urged Sunday congregations to vote for the amendment. The Rev. Billy Graham, who at 93 remains influential even though his last crusade was in 2005, was featured in full-page newspaper ads supporting the amendment.

Both sides spent a combined $3 million on their campaigns.

Six states – all in the Northeast except Iowa – and the District of Columbia allow same sex marriages. In addition, two other states have laws that are not yet in effect and may be subject to referendums

The North Carolina amendment was placed on the ballot after Republicans took over control of the state Legislature after the 2010 elections, a role the GOP hadn't enjoyed for 140 years.

Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, voted for the amendment at a polling place in Wake Forest.

"I know that some people may argue that the Bible may not necessarily be applicable, or it should not be applicable, on such policy matters. But even looking at nature itself, procreation is impossible without a man and a woman. And because of those things, I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God."

Linda Toanone, who voted against the amendment, said people are born gay and it is not their choice.

"We think everybody should have the same rights as everyone else. If you're gay, lesbian, straight – whatever," she said.

North Carolina is the latest presidential swing state to weigh in on gay marriage. Florida, Virginia and Ohio all have constitutional amendments against gay marriage, and Obama's election-year vagueness on gay marriage has come under fresh scrutiny.

Obama, who supports most gay rights, has stopped short of backing gay marriage. Without clarification, he's said for the past year and a half that his personal views on the matter are "evolving."

Education Secretary Arne Duncan broke ranks with the White House on Monday, stating his unequivocal support for same-sex marriage one day after Vice President Joe Biden said he is "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex married couples getting the same rights at heterosexual married couples.

One fault line that could determine the result is generational. Older voters, who tend to be more reliable voters, were expected to back the amendment.

State House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican from a Charlotte suburb, said earlier in the day that even if the amendment passed, it would be reversed as today's young adults age – within 20 years. "It's a generational issue," Tillis told a student group at North Carolina State University in March about the amendment he supports.

"Also, that amendment is against women, I believe, because also underneath the amendment, other laws are saying that people who aren't married at all, they can't file for domestic abuse cases, if they're living with their significant other. Which is wrong," Toanone said.

In North Carolina, more than 500,000 voters had cast their ballot before Tuesday, which was more than the 2008 primary when Obama and Hillary Clinton were fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination. Both sides said that bodes well for them.

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Associated Press writers Allen Reed, Allen G. Breed, Emery P. Dalesio and Gary D. Robertson contributed to this report.


Not only was a consitutional ammendment passed to forbid same-sex marriage, but civil unions are no longer recognized for same-sex or opposite-sex couples. Health and legal benefits will be lost for both the partners and their children. There truy is nothing I can say other than how utterly disgusted I am right now.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue May 08, 2012 8:52 pm

It already was banned in North Carolina.

EDIT: not recognized would be more accurate
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Postby United Dependencies » Tue May 08, 2012 8:54 pm

I'll repost my two local news sources from the last thread.
http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapito ... /11079217/
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/08/ ... sults.html


as I said in the last thread, even as a christian myself, It's a shameful day for my beloved homeland.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue May 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:It already was banned in North Carolina.

EDIT: not recognized would be more accurate

It was banned prior to the passage of this legislation, yet this is an ammendment to their constitution banning the practice.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue May 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:It already was banned in North Carolina.


Laws can be easily overturned, constitutional amendments, not so much. It's a stupid and poorly written amendment that enshrines discrimination in my state's constitution, and I'm sorely disappointed in my fellow voters.

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Postby Kalibarr » Tue May 08, 2012 8:55 pm

In 20 years we'll be ashamed this was even an issue. I for one(and I'm sure many others) already are.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue May 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:It already was banned in North Carolina.

EDIT: not recognized would be more accurate

It was banned prior to the passage of this legislation, yet this is an ammendment to their constitution banning the practice.

And 29 states have done this. I think it's clear that most Americans:

(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.
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Postby United Dependencies » Tue May 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:It already was banned in North Carolina.


Laws can be easily overturned, constitutional amendments, not so much. It's a stupid and poorly written amendment that enshrines discrimination in my state's constitution, and I'm sorely disappointed in my fellow voters.

This was the first time I voted too. :(

Fucking republican general assembly.
However, I am interested in hearing about how this whole ballot mess up issue turned out.
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Postby The Corparation » Tue May 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Honestly as much as I despise this, Prop 8 from California is on its way to SCOTUS, it stands a good chance of upholding the lower courts in striking it down and so when it gets struck down this will go as well.



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Postby Cerberion » Tue May 08, 2012 8:57 pm

While I am quite firm on my views on what defines a marriage, I am tolerant enough to accept everyone has the right to a civil union.

What I am saddened by is this conception that we must have laws to protect people's moral views. What they seem to forget is that by every act of legislation, they reduce freedom.

With all that said, I have to say the people of any given state have the right to operate the state as they see fit. Majority views can change over time so nothing is set in stone.

So, I'm sorry for those who have been negatively affected by the legislation.

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Christian Democrats wrote:(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.

Why? Why does it matter? I am a christian myself and it boggles the mind that the actions undertaken by others matter to us.

Adultry is a sin, why not make that illegal?
It's a sin to be too rich and not give enough to the poor and the church. Why not enshrine that in law?

It is a sin to hate others. Why have we not made this law yet?
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It was banned by a democratic majority representing the people. Whether you agree with banning gay marriage or not, no one can argue that this isn't what the people of North Carolina wanted.
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Postby A High Dark Place » Tue May 08, 2012 9:01 pm

Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, voted for the amendment at a polling place in Wake Forest.

"I know that some people may argue that the Bible may not necessarily be applicable, or it should not be applicable, on such policy matters. But even looking at nature itself, procreation is impossible without a man and a woman. And because of those things, I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God."


Right on Joe. Next up, let's legislate that all married couples must have a child within one year or face jail.

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I doubt it will last. This is unconstitutional.
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Christian Democrats wrote:I think it's clear that most Americans:

(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.

I think it's clear that the government should be in the business of protecting rights, even when the majority thinks otherwise. That was the basis of the whole Civil Rights movement, IIRC. It's not American Idol. It's not a NationStates puppetwank poll. It's not a beauty contest. It's about CIVIL RIGHTS. The People are stupid and shouldn't be catered to.

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue May 08, 2012 9:03 pm

Salpae wrote:I doubt it will last. This is unconstitutional.

Unfortunately the American public only cares about what the Consitution should have said.
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Christian Democrats wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:It was banned prior to the passage of this legislation, yet this is an ammendment to their constitution banning the practice.

And 29 states have done this. I think it's clear that most Americans:

(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.


And once upon a time most Americans (at least, the proper white Americans) thought that those damn niggers were barely more than animals.

Good thing we moved beyond that, isn’t it?

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Postby Episarta » Tue May 08, 2012 9:04 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:It was banned prior to the passage of this legislation, yet this is an ammendment to their constitution banning the practice.

And 29 states have done this. I think it's clear that most Americans:

(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.


And the "people's will" should be able to dictate what I do with my partner? What does it matter to you? Why should my neighbor have such a personal say in my life?

And of course we can always make the hypothetical argument that was made back in the 1860's. If the peopl'e will is for slavery, then that should be allowed as well.
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Salpae wrote:I doubt it will last. This is unconstitutional.

Unfortunately the American public only cares about what the Consitution should have said.


Hopefully, the same thing that happened in California happens in North Carolina.
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Postby United Dependencies » Tue May 08, 2012 9:04 pm

Nansurium wrote:It was banned by a democratic majority representing the people. Whether you agree with banning gay marriage or not, no one can argue that this isn't what the people of North Carolina wanted.

Not entirely:

Polling by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling and the conservative Civitas Institute both showed the amendment winning by double digits, but the Public Policy Poll showed that a majority rejected the amendment after they learned it would also ban civil unions and domestic partnerships

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/08/ ... rylink=cpy


The wording of the legislation is confusing and not all the legal experts agree on what exactly it will cause.

here is the official legislation
"Sec. 6. Marriage.
Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts."
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills/Senate/HTML/S514v3.html
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Nansurium wrote:It was banned by a democratic majority representing the people. Whether you agree with banning gay marriage or not, no one can argue that this isn't what the people of North Carolina wanted.


Constitutional Republic 101

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue May 08, 2012 9:06 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:It was banned prior to the passage of this legislation, yet this is an ammendment to their constitution banning the practice.

And 29 states have done this. I think it's clear that most Americans:

(1) Believe that civil marriage should be a union between one man and one woman;

(2) Believe that state courts should not substitute their own beliefs for the will of the people.

America was once a country dedicated to individual liberty, not one in which the majority was supposed to have free reign to beat up on any minorities they can outnumber. America's observance of these principles has never been perfect, but now the country doesn't even consider it a worthy principle to strive for anymore.
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Postby Salpae » Tue May 08, 2012 9:07 pm

Nansurium wrote:It was banned by a democratic majority representing the people. Whether you agree with banning gay marriage or not, no one can argue that this isn't what the people of North Carolina wanted.


Unfortunately for you, we do not have a tyranny by majority in the United States of America
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