Rape Thread [SAFE SPACE - Mod Enforced]

[Khelshar]

1.There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?
2.Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped?
3.Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?

1. I havent seen the movie, but i see nothing wrong with having a graphic rape scene in a movie that for adults.
2. Because rape is humiliating. And people dont like talking about humiliating moments. And like some else said; Its not supposed to happen to YOU, just to people you hear about.
3. It is taboo because people feel humiliated. Thats all i can think of. I've been in a nasty situation that almost costed me my life, but i have never had it as a taboo. I'm open about it, and people talk to me openly about it. But it should be talked about more, raise awarness about it, make people dare to report it. Seek help.

[Kurica]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

[Lud Ziemi]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".

The ignorance of some people is absolutely disgusting.

[Hydesland]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

Apply that to yourself, if you got raped do you honestly think that you would find that no more traumatic than 'a game of stop hitting yourself'?

[Astrolinium]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

I'm told it's less like "stop hitting yourself" and more "Hey, I'm going to punch you very hard in a very private, personal area. With my penis. And take away all control you have over your own body."

[Indira]

First up, I am genuinely sorry to hear about what happened to you. I don't care who you are, nobody deserves that. I sincerely hope you can get justice.

Why are victims ashamed? It comes down to the violent nature of the crime. It's a violation of the worse kind and it creates an unwelcome effect on the psyche. Most of the other posts have already covered this in better detail.

Should the scene be censored? No, it implies that there is something wrong with being a victim of this crime and I have seen stories where it is almost glamourised. (Which is wrong on so many levels)

[Indira]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".

The ignorance of some people is absolutely disgusting.

Agreed.

[Yes Im Biop]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

Did you really just say that...

[Soviet Socialist Republic]

my condolences miss, I hope they catch that bastard and let him rot in a small cell

[Yammata]

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?

It's just a fictional book/movie, don't take it seriously. A chilling effect in fiction is bad.

If people take fiction too seriously we will turn into Fahrenheit 451

[Pottslande]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

Ignoring troll in 5...

[Ganos Lao]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

Did you really just say that...

The ignorance of some people is absolutely disgusting.

Agreed.

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

I'm told it's less like "stop hitting yourself" and more "Hey, I'm going to punch you very hard in a very private, personal area. With my penis. And take away all control you have over your own body."

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

Apply that to yourself, if you got raped do you honestly think that you would find that no more traumatic than 'a game of stop hitting yourself'?

You guys should ignore this guy. People like him don't really deserve your time.

[Ravineworld]

If women carry a $50 pistol with them, when someone makes a move, they can blow their potential rapist's brains out.
Problem solved.

[Astrolinium]

It's just a fictional book/movie, don't take it seriously. A chilling effect in fiction is bad.

If people take fiction too seriously we will turn into Fahrenheit 451

Someone totally missed the point of that book.

[Hungry]

Why is rape bad?

As long as no one gets any diseases/pregnancies/isn't permanently injured how is that bad? It seems about as traumatic as a game of "stop hitting yourself".
I realize this sounds ignorant but I might as well use the anonymity provided by the internet to ask instead of asking someone irl where consequences actually matter.

What kind of ... I'm just going to not say anything that might get me banned.

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I offer my deepest condolences and hope that they catch the bastard.

[Soviet Socialist Republic]

If women carry a $50 pistol with them, when someone makes a move, they can blow their potential rapist's brains out.
Problem solved.

hooha

[Ravineworld]

my condolences miss, I hope they catch that bastard and let him rot in a small cell

Or rehabilitate him and allow for him to contribute to society

[Hungry]

If women carry a $50 pistol with them, when someone makes a move, they can blow their potential rapist's brains out.
Problem solved.

What about pacifistic women?

I'm no expert but isn't a $50 pistol kind of cheap?

[Soviet Socialist Republic]

my condolences miss, I hope they catch that bastard and let him rot in a small cell

Or rehabilitate him and allow for him to contribute to society

by doing what exactly?

[Katganistan]

1. Oh my God. That's absolutely terrible, Shellby. My deepest sympathies go out to you.

2.I haven't seen that movie, but I would say that a graphic rape scene was probably a poor choice. Most importantly, from a perspective of it being an unnecessary thing to do that might cause real distress to viewers. Less importantly, from a cinematographic perspective, something more tasteful, perhaps even off camera with simply shadows shown, would like be much more dramatic and effective than violence, which is a thing we have been in a big way desensitized towards.

I won't comment on the other points because any commentary I could offer would be woefully inadequate.

I'm very, very sorry that this happened to you, Homosexy.

Re: the scene -- I have not seen the movie yet, but I did read the books. It's absolutely crucial in understanding Lisbeth Salander. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't find it upsetting or that you may decide to forgo seeing the film, but it explains exactly why she is as odd as she is and what she is capable of doing.

[Tahar Joblis]

If you're drunk, you legally can't consent.

Sure you can.

And it'd be much appreciated if those stupid male oriented sitcoms quit making lighthearted jokes about getting a woman drunk in order to have sex with her.

Men get women drunk in order to have sex with them. Women get men drunk in order to have sex with them. They happen at pretty similar rates. This is skeezy but isn't necessarily rape.

Drunk people have sex with each other all the time quite willingly. The fact that the participants are drunk doesn't make it rape.

[Soviet Socialist Republic]

If you're drunk, you legally can't consent.

Sure you can.

And it'd be much appreciated if those stupid male oriented sitcoms quit making lighthearted jokes about getting a woman drunk in order to have sex with her.

Men get women drunk in order to have sex with them. Women get men drunk in order to have sex with them. They happen at pretty similar rates. This is skeezy but isn't necessarily rape.

Drunk people have sex with each other all the time quite willingly. The fact that the participants are drunk doesn't make it rape.

in the eyes of the law it does

[Stedicules]

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?

Yes, most definitely. The scene is integral to the storytelling of the book, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. The scene was graphic because it had to be to show exactly what the character is going through mentally and physically throughout the book.

[Xenoglade Plugins]

For a man, being raped by anyone (but especially a woman) means that you are weak. You are vulnerable. You are not invincible, stoic, and incapable of being hurt. To admit this is to admit that you are not really a man, that you do not live up to the sacred standards of manhood. A man must never be weak, must never be vulnerable, must never show signs of emotional distress. He must never be hurt, but not simply by virtue of luck. He must never be hurt because he's too strong for anyone to be able to hurt him.

Basically, if a man is raped and admits to it, the sense of identity that he derives from this standard of having to be perfect and invincible breaks down. People who lose their sense of identity are often hurt far more than anything else could possibly hurt them.

While the standard may be unreasonable and a bit sexist, the fact remains that it's the standard a lot of men unconsciously hold themselves to.

[Kaylea]

Last Saturday, I became a victim and now a survivor of a rape. Before this, I did not know about this world that I would soon be thrown into where more than 3 out of the 10 people I told, replied with "me too". Where the 1 in 5 girls in the United States statistic becomes a real thing. So I'm becoming very passionate about the topic, and would like to use NSG as an opportunity to discuss the topic, try to raise awareness, and finally just kind of try to figure out why it has to happen, and how we can remedy it. I'm coming out with it, as soon as I am, because I want to put a name and a face to the statistic, and bring in my raw, week old experience, to do something about it.

Here are some questions to discuss:

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?
Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped? Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?
Are the forms of awareness that we're using now working?

Anything else that people want to throw in, go ahead. I only ask that people are respectful and think before you speak, because there may be survivors and victims reading this, and I don't want to be responsible for anything too traumatic. This is a safe space. If you don't have something nice or productive to say, don't say it at all.

sorry to hear about what that POS did. hope you feel better.