Rape Thread [SAFE SPACE - Mod Enforced]

[Arkinesia]

If women carry a $50 pistol with them, when someone makes a move, they can blow their potential rapist's brains out.
Problem solved.

What about pacifistic women?

I'm no expert but isn't a $50 pistol kind of cheap?

This thought experiment was brought up in an episode of Penn & Teller's Bullshit! and it was actually quite interesting. Penn suggested that it become law that every woman in the US be given a gun, free of charge. She could use it for target shooting, for self defense, or sell it. In the thought experiment, Penn said that we should assume half of the women in the US just flat out sell their guns.

Now imagine the possibility here. What if half of all women in the US had a handgun for self-defense? Not a knife or a blunt object, but a loaded handgun? What would that do to rape statistics?

[Tahar Joblis]

What about pacifistic women?

I'm no expert but isn't a $50 pistol kind of cheap?

This thought experiment was brought up in an episode of Penn & Teller's Bullshit! and it was actually quite interesting. Penn suggested that it become law that every woman in the US be given a gun, free of charge. She could use it for target shooting, for self defense, or sell it. In the thought experiment, Penn said that we should assume half of the women in the US just flat out sell their guns.

Now imagine the possibility here. What if half of all women in the US had a handgun for self-defense? Not a knife or a blunt object, but a loaded handgun? What would that do to rape statistics?

Depends on the type of rape you're talking about.

Someone being attacked on the street, that might go down a little, but that makes up a small fraction of all rape cases. Acquaintance rape would probably not be terribly affected.

Accidental shootings would go up. The rate at which women commit actual homicide [rather than just trying to kill/maim someone with a knife] would also go up, along with the rate at which women complete suicide attempts (the ratio of attempts to completions for suicide goes down with availability to and comfort with guns, which is one of the big reasons why men kill themselves so much more than women).

You would probably cause more suicides than you prevented rapes.

[Aquophia]

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the gory death or mutilation of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

I'm not sure I really want to talk or think about rape, you look like you're coping fairly well, HS, and I'm glad for that.

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

[EnragedMaldivians]

That's absolutely terrible. I'm both shocked and saddened to read that; though your forthcoming and candid approach to this is both brave and admirable. I sincerely wish you the best.

[Cromarty]

Now imagine the possibility here. What if half of all women in the US had a handgun for self-defense? Not a knife or a blunt object, but a loaded handgun? What would that do to rape statistics?

What would that do to homicide statistics? And not just on those attempting to commit a crime?

[Nuridia]

The most horrible crime human beings can inflict on one another, in Nuridia, rape carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

[EnragedMaldivians]

The most horrible crime human beings can inflict on one another, in Nuridia, rape carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

General is out of charachter.

[1000 Cats]

The most horrible crime human beings can inflict on one another, in Nuridia, rape carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Not a roleplay forum.

Someone noted something earlier in the thread about what would happen if you give capital punishment for rape: all that would happen is rapes would become rape and murder. Really, as said before, steepness of a punishment doesn't do much to deter crime.

The best thing is to encourage women to actually report the crime in the first place, and deter men from committing it.

[Bikethage]

Sincere wishes for your recovery and rebound.

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?

It's not as simple as censoring or stifling individual scenes or movies/books/media. It does indicate how sick a world we live in, that ever more graphic and shocking scenes are required to make an impression, due to all the previous graphic shocking scenes we have all witnessed. More and more blood, violence and gore is presented in movies, and more and more scenes of coercive and violent sex, because anything less is just boring.

You can be sure that as disgusting, repellent and graphically horribly realistic a scene as the one in this movie is, even if the authors' / movie makers' aim was to show how horrible it is, there are sick individuals, I'd say mostly guys, getting off on it. We train our male citizens to respond to porn, to respond to the way women look in porn, to get off on the idea of coercion displayed in porn. This desensitizes them. Some sick individuals cross the line from fantasy to reality and enact it in person, but many more soak up the media and get excited alone, or play-act with their partner, without crossing that line to real threats of harm, though some of course do. So as much as some might say this serves an important documentary purpose in raising awareness of the terrible phenomenon of rape, at the same time there are a good number of viewers who just think it's an exciting depiction of a hot scenario, basically, rape porn.

We need to stop celebrating force, killing and raping in mainstream media, in general. How many books, movies, TV shows and video games are based on murder (or war) as a plot device? How many media depictions of women, perched on shoes they can't run in, wearing revealing, clingy, flimsy clothes emphasizing vulnerability, softness , pliability / rapeability have you seen? Sex sells, violence sells, the media will keep on making the stuff in higher and higher doses.

Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped? Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?

Perhaps part of it is that cultural forces make rape seem normalized, like an extreme version of sex, and we just don't talk about sex in that way. Another part is the reaction of the rape survivors to wonder if something they did makes themselves partly to blame (of course not), but still those thoughts are probably not something they're comfortable about sharing with others.

Are the forms of awareness that we're using now working?

Feminism is the global movement for awareness and elimination of systematic discrimination, abuse and oppression against women. It's a work in progress. Men have their own allied movement, and with the much smaller numbers of male-on-male rape, and female-on-male rape, eliminating the generic climate of rape is something we could all agree on (but probably won't).

[Tahar Joblis]

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the gory death or mutilation of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

I'm not sure I really want to talk or think about rape, you look like you're coping fairly well, HS, and I'm glad for that.

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

It's worth taking at face value. Spurious claims of having been raped do happen, but you don't really have a particularly good method of distinguishing whether or not a rape happened, and so we may as well have ourselves a[nother] thread about rape here on NSG.

Some people cope better - or differently - with trauma than others. The fact that Homosexy "seems to be coping fairly well" is worth next to zero in terms of rationally updating the probability that she was actually raped given that she claims to be raped.

[Ende]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

[Kaylea]

There's a scene in a version of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo where the rape scene is very graphic. Should it be allowed in there?

i think the rape scene would've been as powerful had it been done like "a streetcar named desire". there was no need for it to be prolonged or graphic (even if you couldn't see genitals). i found streetcar emotive.

i didn't find films like irreversible or TGWADT purposefully gratuitous, but the storylines were evocative enough. they didn't necessarily need the detail to affect the audience.

i think films that aren't depicting violence in an exploitative or glorifying way should be allowed. otherwise it's fetishistic, harmful (through normalising antisocial acts) and insensitive and should be banned.

Why is it that girls and men are so ashamed when they've been raped? Why is it such a taboo subject? Should it be talked about more than it already is?

it's an emotional subject. most people don't want to talk or think about abuse. it makes them feel sad or vulnerable. they'd rather think it never happened or that the people who were raped "deserved" it somehow. i think people should talk about it more. so they know that it happens to real people, not news stories. mainstream media mostly highlight events that follow the desired narrative of people's prejudices.

Are the forms of awareness that we're using now working?

absolutely not. i hate rape culture. people are trivialising rape. rape myths are still the norm and preferred. rape jokes are common. society isn't sensitised, even though most will say rape is wrong. too often, they avoid empathising.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

I believe that too, but this is not the thread to discuss it.

[Ende]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

I believe that too, but this is not the thread to discuss it.

That was mainly in reply to this.

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the death of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

[Katganistan]

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the gory death or mutilation of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

I'm not sure I really want to talk or think about rape, you look like you're coping fairly well, HS, and I'm glad for that.

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

Then don't post.

[ALEKZAVIER]

Solution = add rape to the list of capital crimes. Or at least severe cases.

This is something that is a bane to society and needs to stop.

What if someone gets falsely accused of rape?

[Galla-]

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the gory death or mutilation of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

TBF it's not unreasonable.

[Kaylea]

Good to see that this incident of rape has been immediately followed up by dozens of people demanding the gory death or mutilation of the rapist, because this is of course the fucking 1700s.

I'm not sure I really want to talk or think about rape, you look like you're coping fairly well, HS, and I'm glad for that.

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

you do sound like a total asshole, as you well know. FYI there's no such thing as "ideal" rape survivor behaviour. why would someone pretend to get raped on the internet just so people talk about rape? it's not required for anything. she could've said something else happened to her if she wanted sympathy. she didn't have to share, if she wanted discussion. idiot.

[Katganistan]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

If you were to face capital punishment for rape, whats to keep you from murdering someone to keep her from telling?

[Lud Ziemi]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

If you were to face capital punishment for rape, whats to keep you from murdering someone to keep her from telling?

AKA, cause and effect.

[Katganistan]

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

you do sound like a total asshole, as you well know. FYI there's no such thing as "ideal" rape survivor behaviour. why would someone pretend to get raped on the internet just so people talk about rape? it's not required for anything. she could've said something else happened to her if she wanted sympathy. she didn't have to share, if she wanted discussion. idiot.

Chill.

[Ende]

I don't quite understand why so many people dislike the idea of capital punishment.

Some people deserve to die.

If you were to face capital punishment for rape, whats to keep you from murdering someone to keep her from telling?

Nothing.

Oh. You have a good point there.

[Galloism]

Solution = add rape to the list of capital crimes. Or at least severe cases.

This is something that is a bane to society and needs to stop.

What if someone gets falsely accused of rape?

Hopefully, we keep the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

[Stedicules]

A little too well if you ask me. I may sound like a total asshole for saying that, but the whole premise of "Hai guise I just got raped like a week ago. Lets talk about it and stuff." is a little fishy to me.

you do sound like a total asshole, as you well know. FYI there's no such thing as "ideal" rape survivor behaviour. why would someone pretend to get raped on the internet just so people talk about rape? it's not required for anything. she could've said something else happened to her if she wanted sympathy. she didn't have to share, if she wanted discussion. idiot.

C'mon man, attack the post, not the poster before moderators get involved.

[Cromarty]

What if someone gets falsely accused of rape?

Hopefully, we keep the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

Which is being done most effectively in the US Justice System...

...we hope.