Rape Thread [SAFE SPACE - Mod Enforced]

[Katganistan]

Then I should be able by your logic to tell you you're wrong for being ok with what happened to you.
Or that you're wrong for hating lima beans.
Or that you're wrong when you get angry.

And really, making personal attacks: not ok. Maybe I'm a moderator because I don't go around telling people how to feel.
You know, like the people who've been telling Shellby to suck it up, move on, don't make such a big deal. They're wrong too.

Well, you can tell me anything you want. And frankly, I know my getting angry sometimes is uncalled for and a bit wrong of a reaction. I've been working on that. Hell, you'd probably see a generally better curve over my time at the forum.

What I'm saying is, someone hurting your friend is not justification alone for setting them on fire and feeding them to non-sapient animals. Personally, I don't think that's ever justified, but the simple fact that they hurt a friend is by no means justification, I think everyone should agree.

I'm sorry for the personal attack. I felt a little indignant after you saying I'm arrogant for saying someone's wrong. Bit of a paradox there, by the way. And I, by no means tell people how to feel either, so I'm not sure why that or people's belief that she is making a bigger fuss than needed is relevant.

I don't believe that I've said that rapists should be set on fire, or fed to animals, or even executed. I believe I said imprisonment.
Maybe we both got testier than we needed to.

[Homosexy]

Well, you can tell me anything you want. And frankly, I know my getting angry sometimes is uncalled for and a bit wrong of a reaction. I've been working on that. Hell, you'd probably see a generally better curve over my time at the forum.

What I'm saying is, someone hurting your friend is not justification alone for setting them on fire and feeding them to non-sapient animals. Personally, I don't think that's ever justified, but the simple fact that they hurt a friend is by no means justification, I think everyone should agree.

I'm sorry for the personal attack. I felt a little indignant after you saying I'm arrogant for saying someone's wrong. Bit of a paradox there, by the way. And I, by no means tell people how to feel either, so I'm not sure why that or people's belief that she is making a bigger fuss than needed is relevant.

I don't believe that I've said that rapists should be set on fire, or fed to animals, or even executed. I believe I said imprisonment.
Maybe we both got testier than we needed to.

The setting on fire was me. *raises hand*

[Katganistan]

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that this was not intended to be a support thread for me. It was intended to be an awareness and discussion thread. I wanted people on here to know that it happens. I wanted people to get onto this forum, read that, and think "wow, someone I know was sexually assaulted so and so days ago." not months ago. not years ago. DAYS ago.
That being said, I love all the support I, and all the other people who have posted in here, have gotten, it's been really lovely. <3

And thanks. Means a lot to me that so many people are signing it.

I've signed, sigged it here and shared it on Facebook.

[Homosexy]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

[Scomagia]

I don't know why trolls have to post in this thread just to rile up Shellby and all her friends...we're all here and we care and none of us will put up with that shit. That's why we report trolls.

Speaking of on-topic...did anyone hear of that alleged rape scene in the new Tomb Raider game?

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/ ... 6395804536

Seems to be tastefully done, I don't see what the fuss is.

[Densaner]

[Katganistan]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Hang in there.

[Scomagia]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Hang in there.

Yeah, we're all pulling for you.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Kick some proverbial ass.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Well, you can tell me anything you want. And frankly, I know my getting angry sometimes is uncalled for and a bit wrong of a reaction. I've been working on that. Hell, you'd probably see a generally better curve over my time at the forum.

What I'm saying is, someone hurting your friend is not justification alone for setting them on fire and feeding them to non-sapient animals. Personally, I don't think that's ever justified, but the simple fact that they hurt a friend is by no means justification, I think everyone should agree.

I'm sorry for the personal attack. I felt a little indignant after you saying I'm arrogant for saying someone's wrong. Bit of a paradox there, by the way. And I, by no means tell people how to feel either, so I'm not sure why that or people's belief that she is making a bigger fuss than needed is relevant.

I don't believe that I've said that rapists should be set on fire, or fed to animals, or even executed. I believe I said imprisonment.
Maybe we both got testier than we needed to.

I was referring to the original person I called out on being wrong, and to a lesser extent, Homosexy. Jeez, that's a PG-13 name, isn't it? Just now noticed.

[Damanucus]

Ahhh, I can come back now.

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

So have you heard whether the DA will take your case? I seriously hope he/she does. For reasons which I told you privately.

Speaking of on-topic...did anyone hear of that alleged rape scene in the new Tomb Raider game?

I had a read of the article, and—troper that I am—I saw it more as a character deconstruction than as a sick joke. But could they have done it better? Possibly. Could they have done it differently? Well, would they have gotten the same response if they had chosen a different method? I get that this smacks of Women in Refrigerators syndrome. But...

Oh, <expletive removed>, I can't say anything without completely unraveling my stance.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I'm not sure this is the right way to bring awareness to the subject of rape, if indeed this whole scene is real or just some bullshit character development. Then again, the whole idea speaks of Croft going for blood which is something not really advisable...

[Goodclark]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

Kick some proverbial ass.

YA GO AND KICK SOME ASS...but seriously I feel really bad for you.

[JuNii]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

if you want an ear to bend with rants, raves or what not... I'm hear and I'm a good listen... er... reader...

[JuNii]

I don't know why trolls have to post in this thread just to rile up Shellby and all her friends...we're all here and we care and none of us will put up with that shit. That's why we report trolls.

Speaking of on-topic...did anyone hear of that alleged rape scene in the new Tomb Raider game?

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/ ... 6395804536

reminds me of the Phantasmagoria rape/very rough sex scene.

http://www.bigorrin.org/goria2.htm

[Yaltabaoth]

Gotta go back to Fairfield shortly.

This is gonna end well... >__>

All the best of luck honey.

[Mushet]

I don't know why trolls have to post in this thread just to rile up Shellby and all her friends...we're all here and we care and none of us will put up with that shit. That's why we report trolls.

Speaking of on-topic...did anyone hear of that alleged rape scene in the new Tomb Raider game?

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/ ... 6395804536

reminds me of the Phantasmagoria rape/very rough sex scene.

http://www.bigorrin.org/goria2.htm

Sounds like rape to me, she told him to stop, and she was left crying on the bathroom floor

[Radiatia]

I just signed the petition. Unfortunately I can't sign the bottom petition as you have to be a US citizen or resident to sign that.

[Reploid Productions]

Sounds like rape to me, she told him to stop, and she was left crying on the bathroom floor

Moreso than the "No means no" sort of campaigns out there, I think an even more important one to convey is "Did she say yes?"

Several years ago now, a friend of one of my friends, while not raped, was sexually assaulted by her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she had been too ashamed (and duped by him telling her things like "the rest of the group tolerates you for my sake") that she didn't tell anyone about it until almost a year later; by which point there was no court-usable evidence and it would have come down to he-said, she-said had she tried to press charges.

While the law couldn't do anything, the rest of our group did everything within our power to punish the guy, as contrary to his statements or belief, the rest of us tolerated him because she was dating him. His defense amounted to "she didn't say no!" even though according to her, she went to bed with him fully clothed in her jeans and a t-shirt, repeatedly expressed reservations and tried to politely weasel away when he started to undo her pants, and only reluctantly went ahead with things due to his repeated emotional guilt trips and lines about how "this is the sort of thing we should be doing!" (plus this was a long distance relationship, and she was visiting from out of state and staying at his place.)The rest of us countered his defense with variations of "She never said yes, you jackass!"

Fortunately, although the law couldn't do anything and while the rest of the group longed to do something sufficiently horrible to the bastard, the karma cops have probably gotten him. Last I'd heard through various gossip chains, about all he has been able to get with since are particularly loose women of highly questionable morals and probably engaging in less-than-legal activities, and he'd been complaining of issues with his junk that sound an awful lot like any number of particularly unpleasant sexually transmitted diseases.

Long story short, I consider the more important matter not to be "Did he or she say no?" but "Did he or she say yes while able to make sound decisions?"

[Mushet]

Sounds like rape to me, she told him to stop, and she was left crying on the bathroom floor

Moreso than the "No means no" sort of campaigns out there, I think an even more important one to convey is "Did she say yes?"

Several years ago now, a friend of one of my friends, while not raped, was sexually assaulted by her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she had been too ashamed (and duped by him telling her things like "the rest of the group tolerates you for my sake") that she didn't tell anyone about it until almost a year later; by which point there was no court-usable evidence and it would have come down to he-said, she-said had she tried to press charges.

While the law couldn't do anything, the rest of our group did everything within our power to punish the guy, as contrary to his statements or belief, the rest of us tolerated him because she was dating him. His defense amounted to "she didn't say no!" even though according to her, she went to bed with him fully clothed in her jeans and a t-shirt, repeatedly expressed reservations and tried to politely weasel away when he started to undo her pants, and only reluctantly went ahead with things due to his repeated emotional guilt trips and lines about how "this is the sort of thing we should be doing!" (plus this was a long distance relationship, and she was visiting from out of state and staying at his place.)The rest of us countered his defense with variations of "She never said yes, you jackass!"

Fortunately, although the law couldn't do anything and while the rest of the group longed to do something sufficiently horrible to the bastard, the karma cops have probably gotten him. Last I'd heard through various gossip chains, about all he has been able to get with since are particularly loose women of highly questionable morals and probably engaging in less-than-legal activities, and he'd been complaining of issues with his junk that sound an awful lot like any number of particularly unpleasant sexually transmitted diseases.

Long story short, I consider the more important matter not to be "Did he or she say no?" but "Did he or she say yes while able to make sound decisions?"

Meh, just seems wrong to me and that's what I go with, I don't know much about the gray area between rape and sexual assault all I know is it seems wrong

[Freelanderness]

Sounds like rape to me, she told him to stop, and she was left crying on the bathroom floor

Moreso than the "No means no" sort of campaigns out there, I think an even more important one to convey is "Did she say yes?"

Several years ago now, a friend of one of my friends, while not raped, was sexually assaulted by her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she had been too ashamed (and duped by him telling her things like "the rest of the group tolerates you for my sake") that she didn't tell anyone about it until almost a year later; by which point there was no court-usable evidence and it would have come down to he-said, she-said had she tried to press charges.

While the law couldn't do anything, the rest of our group did everything within our power to punish the guy, as contrary to his statements or belief, the rest of us tolerated him because she was dating him. His defense amounted to "she didn't say no!" even though according to her, she went to bed with him fully clothed in her jeans and a t-shirt, repeatedly expressed reservations and tried to politely weasel away when he started to undo her pants, and only reluctantly went ahead with things due to his repeated emotional guilt trips and lines about how "this is the sort of thing we should be doing!" (plus this was a long distance relationship, and she was visiting from out of state and staying at his place.)The rest of us countered his defense with variations of "She never said yes, you jackass!"

Fortunately, although the law couldn't do anything and while the rest of the group longed to do something sufficiently horrible to the bastard, the karma cops have probably gotten him. Last I'd heard through various gossip chains, about all he has been able to get with since are particularly loose women of highly questionable morals and probably engaging in less-than-legal activities, and he'd been complaining of issues with his junk that sound an awful lot like any number of particularly unpleasant sexually transmitted diseases.

Long story short, I consider the more important matter not to be "Did he or she say no?" but "Did he or she say yes while able to make sound decisions?"

I am just slightly curious, how do you define rape and sexual assault differently?

[Reploid Productions]

Moreso than the "No means no" sort of campaigns out there, I think an even more important one to convey is "Did she say yes?"

Several years ago now, a friend of one of my friends, while not raped, was sexually assaulted by her boyfriend. Unfortunately, she had been too ashamed (and duped by him telling her things like "the rest of the group tolerates you for my sake") that she didn't tell anyone about it until almost a year later; by which point there was no court-usable evidence and it would have come down to he-said, she-said had she tried to press charges.

While the law couldn't do anything, the rest of our group did everything within our power to punish the guy, as contrary to his statements or belief, the rest of us tolerated him because she was dating him. His defense amounted to "she didn't say no!" even though according to her, she went to bed with him fully clothed in her jeans and a t-shirt, repeatedly expressed reservations and tried to politely weasel away when he started to undo her pants, and only reluctantly went ahead with things due to his repeated emotional guilt trips and lines about how "this is the sort of thing we should be doing!" (plus this was a long distance relationship, and she was visiting from out of state and staying at his place.)The rest of us countered his defense with variations of "She never said yes, you jackass!"

Fortunately, although the law couldn't do anything and while the rest of the group longed to do something sufficiently horrible to the bastard, the karma cops have probably gotten him. Last I'd heard through various gossip chains, about all he has been able to get with since are particularly loose women of highly questionable morals and probably engaging in less-than-legal activities, and he'd been complaining of issues with his junk that sound an awful lot like any number of particularly unpleasant sexually transmitted diseases.

Long story short, I consider the more important matter not to be "Did he or she say no?" but "Did he or she say yes while able to make sound decisions?"

I am just slightly curious, how do you define rape and sexual assault differently?

Well, the definition I go from (which likely may differ from the the legal one) is that rape is sexual assault + vaginal or anal penetration (whether it's a woman being penetrated, or a guy being forced to do the penetrating,) while sexual assault is basically all other forms of unwanted/forced sexual play such as genital stroking, oral (though I think oral probably should be counted under rape,) fondling of breasts, buttocks, or the genitals, and so on.

[Mushet]

I am just slightly curious, how do you define rape and sexual assault differently?

Well, the definition I go from (which likely may differ from the the legal one) is that rape is sexual assault + vaginal or anal penetration (whether it's a woman being penetrated, or a guy being forced to do the penetrating,) while sexual assault is basically all other forms of unwanted/forced sexual play such as genital stroking, oral (though I think oral probably should be counted under rape,) fondling of breasts, buttocks, or the genitals, and so on.

Yeah I'd generally count forced head as rape, even handjobs and fingering, there is a difference between genital stroking and handjobs and fingering mostly having to do with duration, although I'd probably not say so in all cases, it's iffy to me

[Freelanderness]

Well, the definition I go from (which likely may differ from the the legal one) is that rape is sexual assault + vaginal or anal penetration (whether it's a woman being penetrated, or a guy being forced to do the penetrating,) while sexual assault is basically all other forms of unwanted/forced sexual play such as genital stroking, oral (though I think oral probably should be counted under rape,) fondling of breasts, buttocks, or the genitals, and so on.

Yeah I'd generally count forced head as rape, even handjobs and fingering, there is a difference between genital stroking and handjobs and fingering mostly having to do with duration, although I'd probably not say so in all cases, it's iffy to me

Okay. In Canada, sexual assault encompasses all of those activities. The different levels (sexual assault level 2, and aggravated sexual assault) are both reliant on physical violence or use of a weapon.

[Black-and-White]

Signed.

Best of luck.