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Postby Page » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:17 am

I'm glad Kat showed up because I think the response I would have typed to the misogyny and victim blaming would have got me banned myself.

Anyways, people who think clothes matter fundamentally understand the psychology of rapists - it is not about lust but about power. But even so, I wholly reject the notion that there are certain men who cannot control themselves - every rapist makes a choice, it is the victim who did not get to have one.

I have said before and I'll say again, as the most extreme hypothetical example I could think of: I could be drunk and standing in a dark alley all alone, and a stripper could walk by me alone in the dark to her car, completely naked who I just watched perform inside the club, and I could have not gotten off in weeks, and even then, I would not have the slightest inclination to force myself on her against her will.

Anyone who would can go straight to hell.
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 am

Ailiailia wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:Well, you can tell me anything you want. And frankly, I know my getting angry sometimes is uncalled for and a bit wrong of a reaction. I've been working on that. Hell, you'd probably see a generally better curve over my time at the forum.

What I'm saying is, someone hurting your friend is not justification alone for setting them on fire and feeding them to non-sapient animals. Personally, I don't think that's ever justified, but the simple fact that they hurt a friend is by no means justification, I think everyone should agree.

I'm sorry for the personal attack. I felt a little indignant after you saying I'm arrogant for saying someone's wrong. Bit of a paradox there, by the way. And I, by no means tell people how to feel either, so I'm not sure why that or people's belief that she is making a bigger fuss than needed is relevant.


Nice. There are ups and downs though (both on your side and the forum's side) and even with lots of practice people can lose their temper. I think I nearly got warned two days ago. It will never be easy.

I certainly agree: the cruel things we would do for revenge, when we're still in the grip of hatred and hurt, are things we would almost certainly later regret. I've wanted to kill people, I've wanted to blind them or to paralyze them from the neck down. I never did, though I must admit I put steps in train to such ends. Mostly I haven't forgiven them for what they did, which made me so angry ... but I am so glad I never did any of those things. We have to live a lot longer with what we did than we do with what was done to us.

To the third paragraph, well that's none of my business.

Thanks. I feel the same way!

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Postby Homosexy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:29 am

The Reasonable wrote:
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:Now, you people are missing the point. I'm not saying that it is her fault.
I am saying that she could've protected her self better.


I guess you haven't gotten, from 40+ pages of posts, that this is a SUPPORT THREAD for Shellby. Whatever she did or did not do before the rape is irrelevant to the fact that she was a victim. Yes, technically what you said may be true, but is it really right for people to live in fear of criminals? Does it give people an excuse to rape? I bet you could protect yourself better right now- go live in a fortress with armed guards 24/7 and never go out. And even then some accident could happen, or one of the guards turn on you...my point is, you shouldn't live your life in fear of harm.

Shellby: I signed your petition and I wish you the best of luck.

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that this was not intended to be a support thread for me. It was intended to be an awareness and discussion thread. I wanted people on here to know that it happens. I wanted people to get onto this forum, read that, and think "wow, someone I know was sexually assaulted so and so days ago." not months ago. not years ago. DAYS ago.
That being said, I love all the support I, and all the other people who have posted in here, have gotten, it's been really lovely. <3

And thanks. :) Means a lot to me that so many people are signing it.
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Postby Insignificance » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:44 am

Homosexy wrote:Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that this was not intended to be a support thread for me. It was intended to be an awareness and discussion thread. I wanted people on here to know that it happens. I wanted people to get onto this forum, read that, and think "wow, someone I know was sexually assaulted so and so days ago." not months ago. not years ago. DAYS ago.
That being said, I love all the support I, and all the other people who have posted in here, have gotten, it's been really lovely. <3

And thanks. :) Means a lot to me that so many people are signing it.


Just doing what I can to help you. :hug: It's not much, I know, but the thought that I am doing something, however small, to help catch the culprit, fills me with happiness. That being said, the fact it needs doing in the first place fills me with anger and sadness. This incident should never of happened, but that's already been said, and saying it over and over again won't change anything. I really am sorry and I do hope your D.A. sees sense and makes the right choice to prosecute this case. For him to not prosecute is as good as him saying he's OK with rape and forget the victims. Takes a man with no values to think like that...

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Postby Page » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:46 am

Homosexy wrote:
And thanks. :) Means a lot to me that so many people are signing it.


I signed as well; it was hard for me to read that website, which I know is nothing compared to surviving it. Stay strong.
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Postby Insignificance » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:24 pm

Page wrote:I signed as well; it was hard for me to read that website, which I know is nothing compared to surviving it. Stay strong.


It was hard for me to read the site as well, but as you say, it is nothing compared to actually having to go through this kind of trauma.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:47 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:To the OP: How did you get raped, you weren't dressed skimpy and immodest, were you?

No ones does.
This is another reason why porn should be banned. It leads to rape.

How?
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The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:To the OP: How did you get raped, you weren't dressed skimpy and immodest, were you?
This is another reason why porn should be banned. It leads to rape. This is also why people need to have guns and other weapons, so they can defend them selves from being raped, murdered, etc.


Now, it is still the fault of the rapist, even if you were dressed skimpily. It is wrong, and a sin, and he knew it.

You best be joking.

He's an obvious troll.
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Der Landstreicher wrote:I don't care about "insensitive" it's just plain nonfactual.
And your idea that there's a direct correlation between porn viewing and rape is also nonsense, there's no statistics to show such. For every one rapist that does watch porn there are millions of other peaceful people who've never raped anyone in their life.


My statements are common sense. You don't need statistics to for something that is common sense.
I mean come on, why is common sense so rare these days? It should be called "rare sense"

Common sense is sometimes wrong. Prove your point.
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:Common sense cannot be shown, it is something that your mind should have automatically, unless you have aspergers or something. I'll try to explain my points in the thick head of yours as best as I can though, so watch closely.

If a woman, or girl who is not ugly wears something revealing, or somewhat attractive, a guy ( including my self) will find her attractive. If someone is attractive, you'd want to have sex with them.

I'll tell you this: Neither legs, nor navels, are attractive.
Furthermore, porn increases people's awareness of what sex is, and might increase their desire for it.

But you support babies. How is increasing sex bad?
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Mushet wrote:Even a gun is not very effective against let's say 5 bigger even unarmed men surrounding you, it'll just make things worse


No, you are wrong a gun will kill them. Just shooting one of them should scare the rest away.

Rapists are desperate. Or have a unusual sense of humor. They wouldn't be scared by a gun, or death by.
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:Now, you people are missing the point. I'm not saying that it is her fault.
I am saying that she could've protected her self better.

So it's her fault.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:46 pm

JuNii wrote:
Person012345 wrote:You probably do. If they're not here then it doesn't really affect them. If they are, then they can ask me not to use it because it offends them.

then I am asking nicely. please don't use such racial slurs.

Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:48 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:
Mushet wrote:
Image


The image you showed me was unusual, I'm talking about MOST cases.

No, you're talking about most cases that you pulled out of your ass.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:48 pm

Person012345 wrote:
JuNii wrote:then I am asking nicely. please don't use such racial slurs.

Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.

Jays

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:50 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:
Der Landstreicher wrote:He doesn't need statistics, this is "common sense"


Yes, you finally understand, Landstreicher.

Common sense is demonstrably a bad way of discerning the truth. Actual verifiable facts are not. So produce some of the latter. My common sense tells me you're an idiot, prove me wrong.

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Postby JuNii » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:15 pm

Person012345 wrote:
JuNii wrote:then I am asking nicely. please don't use such racial slurs.

Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.

yes I am.

gee... the choice is yours. use a racial slur or type in more letters...

the safe term would be Japanese.
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Person012345 wrote:
JuNii wrote:then I am asking nicely. please don't use such racial slurs.

Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:22 pm

JuNii wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.

yes I am.

gee... the choice is yours. use a racial slur or type in more letters...

the safe term would be Japanese.

Are you implying that you consider every form of shortening "japanese" a racial slur? As I already said I won't use that particular one.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:24 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Are you Japanese?

Regardless, I won't then, but what would you suggest I use instead? And don't make it longer than 4 letters please.

日本人

三つの文字だ!同じ数の文字。

Well, I have to type out "nihonjin" then press enter considering how the IME works, but sure, that could work.

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Postby Page » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:24 pm

Person012345 wrote:
JuNii wrote:yes I am.

gee... the choice is yours. use a racial slur or type in more letters...

the safe term would be Japanese.

Are you implying that you consider every form of shortening "japanese" a racial slur? As I already said I won't use that particular one.


"Japs" is a racial slur. If you shortened it some other way, like saying "Japanes" or something, it wouldn't be a racial slur per se, but it would be pretty stupid. Japanese. Took me less than a second to type that. Put it in your copypaster if you must.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:28 pm

Page wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Are you implying that you consider every form of shortening "japanese" a racial slur? As I already said I won't use that particular one.


"Japs" is a racial slur. If you shortened it some other way, like saying "Japanes" or something, it wouldn't be a racial slur per se, but it would be pretty stupid. Japanese. Took me less than a second to type that. Put it in your copypaster if you must.

*Japs is a racial slur to you.

Japanes is too long anyway. >.>

The idea mentioned above works for me.

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Postby Crazy girl » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:31 pm

How about you two drop the argument? It's off-topic.

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Postby Homosexy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Did I go crazy or did posts get deleted? (Thank God if they were, because we was about to have a problem. *snaps fingers*)
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Homosexy wrote:Did I go crazy or did posts get deleted? (Thank God if they were, because we was about to have a problem. *snaps fingers*)

yes
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Postby Crazy girl » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:33 pm

Homosexy wrote:Did I go crazy or did posts get deleted? (Thank God if they were, because we was about to have a problem. *snaps fingers*)


Our resident angel mod did ;)

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Postby Homosexy » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:35 pm

Crazy girl wrote:
Homosexy wrote:Did I go crazy or did posts get deleted? (Thank God if they were, because we was about to have a problem. *snaps fingers*)


Our resident angel mod did ;)

Thank you! (or whoever it was)
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:36 pm

Crazy girl wrote:
Homosexy wrote:Did I go crazy or did posts get deleted? (Thank God if they were, because we was about to have a problem. *snaps fingers*)


Our resident angel mod did ;)

Which I appreciate because I was getting a little...angry.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:04 pm

I don't know why trolls have to post in this thread just to rile up Shellby and all her friends...we're all here and we care and none of us will put up with that shit. That's why we report trolls.

Speaking of on-topic...did anyone hear of that alleged rape scene in the new Tomb Raider game?

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/ ... 6395804536
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Postby The Taryegeans » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:08 pm

Gladly signed the petition. :)

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