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Is the word Abo racist? (also about other racist words)

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Is "Abo" racist

Yes
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20%
No
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39%
I don't know enough about the issue to judge
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33%
Other (explain)
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7%
 
Total votes : 108

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Ceannairceach
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:11 pm

The Valkyrie Republic wrote:I don't like it when I am called an Indian, Instead of a Native... But I don't see anything wrong with "Abo", Seems like an abbreviation.

Indian, too, is an abbreviation of sorts, for "American Indian" or "Native American Indian".

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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:12 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:My only personal experience with the term 'Abo' is from 'Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport', so I'm not really sure I know enough to say one way or the other.

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Conserative Morality wrote:My only personal experience with the term 'Abo' is from 'Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport', so I'm not really sure I know enough to say one way or the other.


They say Abo in that?


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Postby Tubbsalot » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm

Tergnitz wrote:I would contest that, I have often seen it used it simply as an abbreviation for the Aboriginal race in general discussion.

Which is why I said 99%, rather than 100%.
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Postby Xsyne » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm

Is "spic" racist?
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:They say Abo in that?

The "Let me Abos go loose" line.


The fourth verse was removed circa 1960, because of its use of the word Abo, an offensive slang term for Aboriginal Australians.


Wow, I'm an Aussie I didn't even know that. :oops:
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm

The Valkyrie Republic wrote:I don't like it when I am called an Indian, Instead of a Native... But I don't see anything wrong with "Abo", Seems like an abbreviation.



Read the thread. Plenty of people who actually know what they are talking about have already explained why it is considered a racist term.
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:14 pm

Tergnitz wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:Depends on whether it's being used as a racist slur.

Which, in practise, is about 99% of the time.

I would contest that, I have often seen it used it simply as an abbreviation for the Aboriginal race in general discussion.


Likewise, but often it seems to contain a good dose of contempt, "Those abos are..."
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:15 pm

Forster Keys wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:The "Let me Abos go loose" line.


The fourth verse was removed circa 1960, because of its use of the word Abo, an offensive slang term for Aboriginal Australians.


Wow, I'm an Aussie I didn't even know that. :oops:


Does it make you feel as bad as I do? I used to sing that song in kindy :(
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:15 pm

Xsyne wrote:Is "spic" racist?


I think so. That's why I'm asking.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:17 pm

There's nothing wrong with a bit of virulent racism in your songs. Lends it some old-timey character.

Actually, I'm surprised it was removed 'circa 1960' when the White Australia Policy continued into the late 70s.
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:17 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:
The Valkyrie Republic wrote:I don't like it when I am called an Indian, Instead of a Native... But I don't see anything wrong with "Abo", Seems like an abbreviation.



Read the thread. Plenty of people who actually know what they are talking about have already explained why it is considered a racist term.


Exactly. It's not the origin of the term, many slurs have completely innocent origins, it's the history and emotional baggage behind it all that create the affect. Ie. How it's used now rather than etymology.
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:19 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:


Wow, I'm an Aussie I didn't even know that. :oops:


Does it make you feel as bad as I do? I used to sing that song in kindy :(


I wouldn't worry about it too much. I sang the clean PC version. :p

Though I would be asking Mr Harris why he worded it how he did:

Let me Abos go loose, Lew
Let me Abos go loose
They're of no further use, Lew
So let me Abos go loose.


Yeah, a little sus.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:24 pm

Well, here's the racist scale, as compared to the former standard names for African-Americans.

TOO PC- Individual Human of African Descent
GOOD- African-American
OK- Black
BAD- Negro
AWFUL- Nigger
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:25 pm

Neo Arcad wrote:Well, here's the racist scale, as compared to the former standard names for African-Americans.

TOO PC- Individual Human of African Descent
GOOD- African-American
OK- Black
BAD- Negro
AWFUL- Nigger

Black is only "Ok"?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:26 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:Does it make you feel as bad as I do? I used to sing that song in kindy :(

Heh, my (American) grandfather said his entire schoolbus used to sing it. He can't remember whether or not the 'Abo' line was included.
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Postby Dennaville » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:28 pm

I guess im a yank and if abo is in the same context then no i dnt find it racist. Yank has never upset me i guess i never thought of it as a slur. In fact i find it some what odd that it would b thought of as such.

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Postby New Embossia » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:30 pm

Hallistar wrote:I find aboriginal less racist than 'indian' or 'redskin'.

What's so racist about 'Indian'? The people of India find that name suits them.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Well, here's the racist scale, as compared to the former standard names for African-Americans.

TOO PC- Individual Human of African Descent
GOOD- African-American
OK- Black
BAD- Negro
AWFUL- Nigger

Black is only "Ok"?


Yeah. It's sort of a meh term, at least around here.
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Postby Magnum Ultra » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:36 pm

Its not racist. Just an abbreviation.
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:36 pm

Dennaville wrote:I guess im a yank and if abo is in the same context then no i dnt find it racist. Yank has never upset me i guess i never thought of it as a slur. In fact i find it some what odd that it would b thought of as such.


Neo Arcad wrote:Well, here's the racist scale, as compared to the former standard names for African-Americans.

TOO PC- Individual Human of African Descent
GOOD- African-American
OK- Black
BAD- Negro
AWFUL- Nigger


On this scale, Abo would be equivalent to Negro in terms of how it's generally used.
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:37 pm

As with every-bloody-thing, it's the friggin' intent that matters.
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Postby Tergnitz » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:39 pm

Cromarty wrote:As with every-bloody-thing, it's the friggin' intent that matters.

You know what I never hear, British racial slurs for ethnics.

Did you guys just steal the same ones used by the Yanks, cause thats what it looks like nowadays.

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Postby Al-Harakut al-Islami » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:40 pm

I'm not sure.

Americans don't get offended by being called Yanks, people from England don't mind being called Brits, and Australians don't care if you call them Aussies.

However, Russians don't like being called Russkies, Germans get offended if you call them Krauts, and it's considered poor taste to call someone from England a Limey.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:42 pm

Al-Harakut al-Islami wrote:I'm not sure.

Americans don't get offended by being called Yanks, people from England don't mind being called Brits, and Australians don't care if you call them Aussies.

However, Russians don't like being called Russkies, Germans get offended if you call them Krauts, and it's considered poor taste to call someone from England a Limey.


As a Bavarian-American, I can say that kraut is indeed offensive to my relatives in Europe. However, that's because it was frequently used in anti-German propaganda during the War.
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