Engaging in separatist feminism

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Subtle and successful troll is successful.

[Trotskylvania]

Feminism = Female dominance.

Sorry but I like men and women having equality (I fight for it), but when someone mentions feminism it makes me cringe. Feminism has changed over the past few years from equality to WOMEN RUN EVERYONE.

[Conserative Morality]

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Maybe he's really into BDSM?

[Dilange]

Feminism = Female dominance.

Sorry but I like men and women having equality (I fight for it), but when someone mentions feminism it makes me cringe. Feminism has changed over the past few years from equality to WOMEN RUN EVERYONE.

Thats only out of the feminists I know and have heard of. I try to research but all I get is the radicals....

[Jakaragua]

Subtle and successful troll is successful.

If trolling takes this much effort these days, I'd welcome our new trollish overlords.

[Crazy girl]

Really?I mean really?

Yes, because all sex is rape.

Dude, when you get 3 threads on the same topic locked, does not mean you should take your argument and hijack someone else's thread with it. Have a *** 1 day ban *** to think about it.

[Trotskylvania]

Thats only out of the feminists I know and have heard of. I try to research but all I get is the radicals....

Then let me blow your mind.

I am a man and a radical feminist. Maybe you should spend less time judging feminism based on the people you know who claim to be feminists and actually read about it's philosophy.

[Oterro]

Thats only out of the feminists I know and have heard of. I try to research but all I get is the radicals....

Damn those radicals who lust for the sinful sexual equality of people, those monsters :I

[Dilange]

Thats only out of the feminists I know and have heard of. I try to research but all I get is the radicals....

Then let me blow your mind.

I am a man and a radical feminist. Maybe you should spend less time judging feminism based on the people you know who claim to be feminists and actually read about it's philosophy.

Probably should. But I am for equal rights....everytime I hear the word feminist, its usually some radical who wants female domination. Sorry If Im giving you a black eye. Time to the library....

[Jakaragua]

Then let me blow your mind.

I am a man and a radical feminist. Maybe you should spend less time judging feminism based on the people you know who claim to be feminists and actually read about it's philosophy.

Probably should. But I am for equal rights....everytime I hear the word feminist, its usually some radical who wants female domination.

FRINGE. Do people not understand the concept of FRINGE movement?

Even some feminists who aren't for female domination but use heavy-head rhetoric are often misconstrued into being looked at as 'feminazi's' or what have you.

[Mythryll]

I want to know who am I as a person and as a woman, when I am not constantly bombarded by male pressure to conform to a certain role.

I'm male and I am constantly bombarded to conform to a certain role, so I really don't understand, considering both genders are.

[New Sapienta]

I want to know who am I as a person and as a woman, when I am not constantly bombarded by male pressure to conform to a certain role.

I'm male and I am constantly bombarded to conform to a certain role.

I stated this too, apparently it is not her "job".

[Jakaragua]

I want to know who am I as a person and as a woman, when I am not constantly bombarded by male pressure to conform to a certain role.

I'm male and I am constantly bombarded to conform to a certain role.

... as a result of patriarchy. Feminists generally recognise that and fight that as well but usually think women should take the leading role.

[Demonatrix]

Then let me blow your mind.

I am a man and a radical feminist. Maybe you should spend less time judging feminism based on the people you know who claim to be feminists and actually read about it's philosophy.

Probably should. But I am for equal rights....everytime I hear the word feminist, its usually some radical who wants female domination. Sorry If Im giving you a black eye. Time to the library....

Dont confuse feminists, who want a fair chance in an equal society with Neo-Feminist Radicals who want segregation, and the abolition of everything that stands in their way...

[Farnhamia]

I want to know who am I as a person and as a woman, when I am not constantly bombarded by male pressure to conform to a certain role.

I'm male and I am constantly bombarded to conform to a certain role.

And that's unfair to you. I doubt Femnipotent wants you forced into that role any more than she wants to be forced into one herself.

[Farnhamia]

I'm male and I am constantly bombarded to conform to a certain role.

I stated this too, apparently it is not her "job".

I think she took it as meaning that she should subordinate her work for female liberation until male liberation is accomplished, as if one could be done without the other. Surely that's not what was meant.

[Ashmoria]

yeah

i cant say what she thinks, of course, so ill leave that to her to explain.

it sometimes SEEMS as if men arent as stereotyped because they (traditionally) have gotten the lions share of society's goodies. i think that we are equally stereotyped.

Yes.
My wife is better educated than I am, and presently she is the full time worker while I raise the kids and scrounge for occasional side work(my field pays well when you can get it). When she was at home with the kids and people heard this the response was almost always "Good for you that you guys can afford to do that" --- When people hear I am at home with kids the overwhelming response is "Dont worry, you'll find something soon the economy sucks" --- this is even after we tell people she is a better earner. The reaction is the same for men or women.

It happens so much its become very very annoying, and dont get me started on telemarketers when I say "Sorry, wife is the bread winner not me, call back later."

the world has changed so much from when i was young.

when my niece had her first baby (12 years ago) she stayed home with the baby until her husband was off school for the year (he is a teacher) so that he could take care of the baby while she went back to work. he was SOOO insulted when people would ask who was going to take care of the baby when she was working.

their kids are amazing and when they were small they were as likely to run to daddy when they got hurt as they were to run to mamma.

if you can ignore the omnipresent sexism its great to be a stay at home dad. (when it doesnt suck. parenting is such a hard job)

[Seibertron]

So people should just stop?

Yes. Look, I'm not asexual either. This requires some sacrifice on my part as well.

Threadjacking. I noticed how you tried to turn this thread into the the sex is rape threads you created but eventually locked

[Dilange]

So people should just stop?

Yes. Look, I'm not asexual either. This requires some sacrifice on my part as well.

So the tradeoff is killing of the entire human population?

[Femnipotent]

Isn't she for equality? She would be compelled not to see men as men or women as women, but to see them both as people.

Okay so apparently, before I am allowed to proceed on my experiment I am expected to:

1) liberate the women of Saudi Arabia
2) liberate men (before I liberate women).

I wonder if as a black woman I must also save white people from their racism before I am allowed to address what racism has done to me?

Anything else? Cure cancer? AIDS? Solve world hunger?

Anyway, gone.

[The Deleted Chris]

I wonder if as a black woman I must also save white people from their racism before I am allowed to address what racism has done to me?

Given you a compulsion to pick cotton?

[Conserative Morality]

Okay so apparently, before I am allowed to proceed on my experiment I am expected to:

1) liberate the women of Saudi Arabia
2) liberate men (before I liberate women).

I wonder if as a black woman I must also save white people from their racism before I am allowed to address what racism has done to me?

Anything else? Cure cancer? AIDS? Solve world hunger?

Anyway, gone.

I'm seeing a lot of straw here. And ignorance.

[Femnipotent]

Well then why should I worry about what happens to women because of this "patriarchy"

Doubt that you do, and furthermore, don't care at this point. Bye!

[Ashmoria]

Thanks for asking, I did not want to make the first post a huge, rambling novel that absolutely no one would read.

I want to be as physically removed from men and male influence as possible. However, I live in a large city and do not have the means to actually truly physically isolate myself, so I have to find other means.

There is a very large Orthodox Jewish community here and while they live among non-Jews, they manage to 'avoid' them very well. Orthodox Jewish men are not allowed, for example, to speak to or even look at non-Jewish women. So when you walk by them on the street, they merely ignore your presence. I have no doubt that after a lifetime of practice, they literally do not even take note of your presence anymore. This is one skill I wish to cultivate to help me when I am outside my home and unable to physically avoid men.

My job is fine, because I work only with women and female clients, so that is a good space for me.

To further avoid male influence, I have already given my television to a friend and I do not consume print media anyway so that should be easy.

I am looking now for more suggestions as to how I can accomplish this.

I could give you advice, but as a male, I guess that'd just taint the whole experiment.

As a radical feminist myself, I don't have a lot of sympathy for your Quixotic attempts at avoiding "male influence."

but its a lesson well worth learning on her own. if it doesnt work out as she hopes its still a good learning experience.

[Femnipotent]

Femnipotent -

Have you ever taken a look at the socialist or Marxist schools of feminism? As I've read through this thread it seems you've had some trouble during your time in the movement. Personally, I think we should identify the class basis of patriarchy, and seek to combat them both simultaneously, because - to me - patriarchy cannot be truly overthrown while capitalism remains, and capitalism will never be properly dissolved until its ideological dregs (Wheather they be racism, sexism, heteronormativity etc. are obliterated.

I can understand you not wanting men joining yourself in activism, but should you deny them a role to play in emancipating both men and women from patriarchal oppression?

I may look a narrow-minded male foaming at the mouth, but I hope I'm not on your ignore list...

I am denying men nothing but access to me.