CA Governor Encouraging Illegal Immigration?

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

California has the highest deficit compared to all the other states in America.THE HIGHEST AS IN WE ****ED UP TO THE EXTREME.

You know why that is? Because Californians refuse to raise taxes.

Jerry brown is a democrat.(I think this time)

Did he choose to cut education? If so, he's as fucking reactionary as the Republican party and twice as spineless as your average Democrat.

So they are getting education regardless of this law.

That's not college education.

It would cost far too much to be possible especially now.

Like hell. It'd cost far too much to NOT do it. The future price of not doing so is dozens of times greater than the present price of doing so.

Yeah, there were pretty hefty cuts proposed to the UC and CSU systems. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/feb/01/ho ... uc-system/ (looking for linky showing cuts went through)

So much so that both schools again had to look for ways (ie., tuition hikes) to patch the predicted shortfall. I think the UC system is looking to raise its tuition by 15%, while the CSU system is looking to do nearly the same.

Hell, my tuition has doubled during my 5 years at Cal Poly Pomona, a CSU school. Yes, it's still only $6,000 a year (tuition only), but it has nonetheless doubled.

Decent linky: http://www.elpaisanonewspaper.com/news/ ... pTDPN4g_UA

[You-Gi-Owe]

I think it is important to consider that the denial of education to children is pretty much unacceptable in my opinion.

Aren't parents responsible for making sure that their children get an education?

Immigrant: "Let's move to the U.S. and not tell our children that they won't be able to legally get driver's licenses or legally get a job. Won't they be surprised!?!?"

[Lessnt]

I think it is important to consider that the denial of education to children is pretty much unacceptable in my opinion.

Aren't parents responsible for making sure that their children get an education?

Immigrant: "Let's move to the U.S. and not tell our children that they won't be able to legally get driver's licenses or legally get a job. Won't they be surprised!?!?"

According to people in california if their parents do not take responsibility it is our responsibility.Some how.
Too many tree hugger animal loving naive people who would never put their money where their mouth is.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Aren't parents responsible for making sure that their children get an education?

Immigrant: "Let's move to the U.S. and not tell our children that they won't be able to legally get driver's licenses or legally get a job. Won't they be surprised!?!?"

According to people in california if their parents do not take responsibility it is our responsibility.Some how.
Too many tree hugger animal loving naive people who would never put their money where their mouth is.

If an illegal immigrant is able to come into the country and perform better in school than our own, domestically-born citizens, then we should be pretty ashamed in the first place.

Just sayin'.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Incentivizing immigration is a good thing, in my opinion. Immigration isn't causing an infrastructure problem. Infrastructure should be updated and expanded to deal with influxes in immigration. If schools become crowded because more people are able to attend them, then build more schools. If hospitals are buckling under the pressure of giving immigrants free emergency healthcare, then find a way to get immigrants to pay for their healthcare. In my opinion, blaming immigration is totally backwards. How would California be able to handle an influx of legal intrastate migration of actual citizens, if it can't even accommodate immigrants from Mexico?

You people have no understanding of california so I would appreciate it if you would actually learn something.
AS being a resident in California you are all sounding very ignorant as to california's situation.

Not only do they seem ignorant of the situation, but they only care about a politically correct outcome.

[Bluth Corporation]

Aren't parents responsible for making sure that their children get an education?

Immigrant: "Let's move to the U.S. and not tell our children that they won't be able to legally get driver's licenses or legally get a job. Won't they be surprised!?!?"

According to people in california if their parents do not take responsibility it is our responsibility.

Emphasis mine.

If their parents don't, who else is left to do it, exactly?

[Lessnt]

According to people in california if their parents do not take responsibility it is our responsibility.

Emphasis mine.

If their parents don't, who else is left to do it, exactly?

nice edit.

Naive people think it is the governments job.Since that is who they rely of whenever it seems like there is a wounded animal in the woods.
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD FIX THE PROBLEM!Because they are a bunch of people who either are not capable or do not wish to do the work to actually help those they believe should help,themselves.

[Conserative Morality]

Your not living in reality.

Actually, I am. People are living in a dream world where cutting revenue does not result in cutting costs, and cutting costs does not result in cutting revenue. People want to give less to the State and yet get more. California demands the public's decision on taxes, and since the public will not raise taxes, California is in a big pile of trouble.

Simply put.

It's a damn shame people like him get in office then.

I live here so there is no fantasy land in my head.

I also live here, what a coincidence. Point?

Reality is in front of me.

Yes it is. What part of 'Less educated workforce with fewer prospects for skilled labor and further losses to globalization' spells 'Increased future revenue' again?

[Conserative Morality]

Aren't parents responsible for making sure that their children get an education?

No?

I'm pretty sure that's why we have a public school system and mandatory education?

[Lessnt]

Your not living in reality.

Actually, I am. People are living in a dream world where cutting revenue does not result in cutting costs, and cutting costs does not result in cutting revenue. People want to give less to the State and yet get more. California demands the public's decision on taxes, and since the public will not raise taxes, California is in a big pile of trouble.

Simply put.

It's a damn shame people like him get in office then.

I live here so there is no fantasy land in my head.

I also live here, what a coincidence. Point?

Reality is in front of me.

Yes it is. What part of 'Less educated workforce with fewer prospects for skilled labor and further losses to globalization' spells 'Increased future revenue' again?

What are you talking about on the last part?
The answer simply put is to take the minimum wage away.(in my opinion)

[Conserative Morality]

What are you talking about on the last part?

I'm talking about how the trend is towards requiring more education in the modern workforce rather than less?

The answer simply put is to take the minimum wage away.(in my opinion)

Fuck no?

How is that at all a practical solution?

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah, there were pretty hefty cuts proposed to the UC and CSU systems. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/feb/01/ho ... uc-system/ (looking for linky showing cuts went through)

So much so that both schools again had to look for ways (ie., tuition hikes) to patch the predicted shortfall. I think the UC system is looking to raise its tuition by 15%, while the CSU system is looking to do nearly the same.

Hell, my tuition has doubled during my 5 years at Cal Poly Pomona, a CSU school. Yes, it's still only $6,000 a year (tuition only), but it has nonetheless doubled.

Decent linky: http://www.elpaisanonewspaper.com/news/ ... pTDPN4g_UA

Urrrg, damn the politicians in this country.

[Lessnt]

What are you talking about on the last part?

I'm talking about how the trend is towards requiring more education in the modern workforce rather than less?

The answer simply put is to take the minimum wage away.(in my opinion)

Fuck no?

How is that at all a practical solution?

Our WORKFORCE.
Is not being educated.
Will not be educated.
So our unskilled workforce needs to compete.

[Conserative Morality]

Our WORKFORCE.
Is not being educated.
Will not be educated.
So our unskilled workforce needs to compete.

Our workforce would have to be willing to work for third-world wages at third-world hours with third-world regulations, which will not sustain anyone on even a basic level in the First world. Our unskilled workforce cannot and should not try to compete for sweatshop jobs.

[Lessnt]

Our WORKFORCE.
Is not being educated.
Will not be educated.
So our unskilled workforce needs to compete.

Our workforce would have to be willing to work for third-world wages at third-world hours with third-world regulations, which will not sustain anyone on even a basic level in the First world. Our unskilled workforce cannot and should not try to compete for sweatshop jobs.

Incorrect.
The biggest reason for outsource is wages.
But shipping costs a boatload.
So you need to lessen wages not make them the same as 3rd world.
It makes it harder to live for sure.
But then that is where charity comes in/government assistance.

[California Bay Area]

WHAT I deeply support this . I am a Californian and I fought for this ,they're people too and you can not deny anyone citizen or not a better life infact if I ever saw someone trying to sneak across the border I would help them without a second thought.

[Conserative Morality]

Incorrect.
The biggest reason for outsource is wages.
But shipping costs a boatload.
So you need to lessen wages not make them the same as 3rd world.
It makes it harder to live for sure.
But then that is where charity comes in/government assistance.

So let me get this straight...

You advocate making our workforce work for less... Contribute less to the economy... Enjoy a lessened standard of living... And have the government pay for it... In order to reduce our debt problem?

What. The. Fuck.

[Lessnt]

WHAT I deeply support this . I am a Californian and I fought for this ,they're people too and you can not deny anyone citizen or not a better life infact if I ever saw someone trying to sneak across the border I would help them without a second thought.

So...its better to....deny americans instead?
WE have debt that is being paid off at the expense of quality of life.
They CAN go to college.Nothing is preventing them from doing it.
This law simply makes us pay for some of it.
That is sort of the opposite of american value where you get to where you are through sheer hardwork.....not charity.

[Lessnt]

Incorrect.
The biggest reason for outsource is wages.
But shipping costs a boatload.
So you need to lessen wages not make them the same as 3rd world.
It makes it harder to live for sure.
But then that is where charity comes in/government assistance.

So let me get this straight...

You advocate making our workforce work for less... Contribute less to the economy... Enjoy a lessened standard of living... And have the government pay for it... In order to reduce our debt problem?

What. The. Fuck.

An employed worker contributes more than an unemployed worker.

[Unchecked Expansion]

That is sort of the opposite of american value where you get to where you are through sheer hardwork.....not charity.

Isn't escaping a country in the grips of a drug war by crossing a hostile border, having to trust that the guy you paid your life savings to isn't going to leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere pretty hard work?

[Conserative Morality]

An employed worker contributes more than an unemployed worker.

Tell me about unemployment in, say, India? Is it nonexistent because of their lower minimum wage?

Just because you lower the wages doesn't mean that the company WANTS to hire more workers.

[Lessnt]

That is sort of the opposite of american value where you get to where you are through sheer hardwork.....not charity.

Isn't escaping a country in the grips of a drug war by crossing a hostile border, having to trust that the guy you paid your life savings to isn't going to leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere pretty hard work?

If they can do that why can they not pay the out of state tuition?hmm?
Not american.

[California Bay Area]

WHAT I deeply support this . I am a Californian and I fought for this ,they're people too and you can not deny anyone citizen or not a better life infact if I ever saw someone trying to sneak across the border I would help them without a second thought.

So...its better to....deny americans instead?
WE have debt that is being paid off at the expense of quality of life.
They CAN go to college.Nothing is preventing them from doing it.
This law simply makes us pay for some of it.
That is sort of the opposite of american value where you get to where you are through sheer hardwork.....not charity.

We can pay for citizens and immigrates our debt can be fixed and changed plus helping the illegals can do good for the states future.

[Lessnt]

An employed worker contributes more than an unemployed worker.

Tell me about unemployment in, say, India? Is it nonexistent because of their lower minimum wage?

Just because you lower the wages doesn't mean that the company WANTS to hire more workers.

There is demand in america and companies can save on shipping if they can manufacture/assemble here.
Jobs are already coming back slowly because the wages in those countries are rising.

[Lessnt]

So...its better to....deny americans instead?
WE have debt that is being paid off at the expense of quality of life.
They CAN go to college.Nothing is preventing them from doing it.
This law simply makes us pay for some of it.
That is sort of the opposite of american value where you get to where you are through sheer hardwork.....not charity.

We can pay for citizens and immigrates our debt can be fixed and changed plus helping the illegals can do good for the states future.

You do know they do not stick to single states.
It may help AMERICA as a whole.But not California.
Nothing says they have to contribute here.