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Is the giveaway of taxpayer funds an incentive or lure that encourages illegal immigration?

Yes.
21
53%
Maybe or Maybe Not.
6
15%
No.
13
33%
 
Total votes : 40

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:35 pm

North Calaveras wrote:That's the spirit, just hope over to America as long as you work hard and pay taxes your good here....I mean sure what if you have links to terrorist organizations as long as you appear to be working hard...

dude...cmon man.

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:35 pm

Lessnt wrote:
California Bay Area wrote:
Again how many farms are there , how many hotels , how many targets . No way are there nearly enough legal people who would take a low paying hard labor job.

It would not be low paying.
They would raise the pay.
Then raise the price on consumers.
But the only way for it to be fair would be to crack down all over the country and not a single areas otherwise they jump states and continue to own the industry.

Yes it would be low paying. Picking crops is minimum wage work with little benefits. Its the only way for it to be profitable. You can't just raise prices to cover the cost because then people won't buy the product.


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Orlkjestad wrote:If you are a tax-paying, hard-working illegal immigrant that is actually contributing to this country, feel free to stay here. This conservative xenophobia concerning illegals is an embarrassment to this nation.

In other words, I'm with this all the way.


That's the spirit, just hope over to America as long as you work hard and pay taxes your good here....I mean sure what if you have links to terrorist organizations as long as you appear to be working hard...

dude...cmon man.

Because illegal immigrants are totally terrorist and its not like all of the terrorists we've had to deal with in the US were born here or entered the nation legally. :roll:
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Postby California Bay Area » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:36 pm

Soheran wrote:
Lessnt wrote:The government has become accustom to bypassing laws rather than trying to go through the work of changing them.


The government (Congress specifically) is dysfunctional. And California can't change federal law and is in no way "bypassing" it with this legislation.


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Postby AiliailiA » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Lessnt wrote:The government has become accustom to bypassing laws rather than trying to go through the work of changing them.

Because half of the government is preventing the other half from changing the laws on the Federal level, and I don't mean just the Republicans.


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Postby Lessnt » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:48 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Lessnt wrote:It would not be low paying.
They would raise the pay.
Then raise the price on consumers.
But the only way for it to be fair would be to crack down all over the country and not a single areas otherwise they jump states and continue to own the industry.

Yes it would be low paying. Picking crops is minimum wage work with little benefits. Its the only way for it to be profitable. You can't just raise prices to cover the cost because then people won't buy the product.


North Calaveras wrote:
That's the spirit, just hope over to America as long as you work hard and pay taxes your good here....I mean sure what if you have links to terrorist organizations as long as you appear to be working hard...

dude...cmon man.

Because illegal immigrants are totally terrorist and its not like all of the terrorists we've had to deal with in the US were born here or entered the nation legally. :roll:

Incorrect.

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Postby AiliailiA » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:54 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Lessnt wrote:It would not be low paying.
They would raise the pay.
Then raise the price on consumers.
But the only way for it to be fair would be to crack down all over the country and not a single areas otherwise they jump states and continue to own the industry.

Yes it would be low paying. Picking crops is minimum wage work with little benefits. Its the only way for it to be profitable. You can't just raise prices to cover the cost because then people won't buy the product.


The price can be raised without destroying the market completely. But certainly it would contract.

There are still imports, so what it comes down to is (a) foreign workers on US farms, vs (b) foreign workers on foreign farms. Surely (a) is better for the US economy.
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Postby AiliailiA » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:55 pm

Lessnt, you seem to have overlooked this:

Ailiailia wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Americans = legal immigrant and natural born.


Just to be clear about what you mean by "legal immigrants" ... would you require them to have gained citizenship (naturalized) or would legal residency be sufficient?

For in-state tuition that is.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:09 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:Is there a way to answer the poll without playing into the conservative rhetoric? Yes, giving student aid to undocumented immigrant students is an incentive to immigrate to the United States. This is a good thing.


WHAT THE FUCK?!

im sorry but really, talk about fucking over your average citizen.
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Postby The Corparation » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:10 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Yes it would be low paying. Picking crops is minimum wage work with little benefits. Its the only way for it to be profitable. You can't just raise prices to cover the cost because then people won't buy the product.


The price can be raised without destroying the market completely. But certainly it would contract.

There are still imports, so what it comes down to is (a) foreign workers on US farms, vs (b) foreign workers on foreign farms. Surely (a) is better for the US economy.

Perhaps I should of phrased that better. What I meant is that people won't buy the product at the increased price, they'll buy a similar product for a lower price. Which if the crackdown was nationwide, would be as you indicated would be imported, we already import a good deal of our produce, so it wouldn't change much.
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