CA Governor Encouraging Illegal Immigration?

[AiliailiA]

If someone grows up in the United States, and speaks English, and actually graduates from a High School with plans of going to college, I think it's great. Hopefully the DREAM Act will help people go through with their goals and be educated.
I'd rather see people be given a chance at succeeding, no matter where they're from. I believe this law won't encourage illegal immigration, but it may get illegal immigrant families to push their kids harder in school, in order to get a pathway to be an American.

I think the residency option is the Federal DREAM act (which has not passed).

[Lessnt]

If someone grows up in the United States, and speaks English, and actually graduates from a High School with plans of going to college, I think it's great. Hopefully the DREAM Act will help people go through with their goals and be educated.
I'd rather see people be given a chance at succeeding, no matter where they're from. I believe this law won't encourage illegal immigration, but it may get illegal immigrant families to push their kids harder in school, in order to get a pathway to be an American.

I think the residency option is the Federal DREAM act (which has not passed).

There is a pathway to be an american.
And if they added the second part of the dream act people would be trying to kick his *** out of office.

[The Corparation]

So the jobs they take like doing agricultural labor in the hot sun all day was stolen from hard working Americans and would be filled by hard working Americans if they left. Tell that to the Farmers in the georgiawho's crops are rotting after a huge hunk of their work force (illegals) ditched town due to harsher laws. I see no one in America going in to take up the job they left.

I already explained that if you relied on an illegal workforce of course your gonna be affected by LAW ACTUALLY BEING ENFORCED!

So we should crack down on illegal immigration, thus getting rid of a huge chunk of our agricultural workforce. All of which means that small farms across the US will be faced with the same problems that Georgia is now facing, namely rotting crops and massive losses. And if you think that farmers can aboard those losses you're probably wrong. Farming is not the most profitable enterprise.

[Robert Magoo]

Illegal immigrants don't pay income tax.

Actually, large numbers of them do.

How exactly does this work? Wouldn't your presence have to be known by the state in order to pay income tax?

[Lessnt]

Actually, large numbers of them do.

How exactly does this work? Wouldn't your presence have to be known by the state in order to pay income tax?

No one enforces the law.Or even really tries hard.

[California Bay Area]

2 again we borrowed money because we had no tax money left to pay for at the time the best education and other things
3 ever heard of the American dream the dream was directed towards immigrates on Ellis island .
3

As it turns out we get a lot more LEGAL immigrants than ILLEGAL immigrants.

That's not what you were agreeing though you said basically "fuck the immigrates let's get those jobs back in American hands"

[Bluth Corporation]

Illegal immigrants don't pay income tax.

Yeah, they really do. In fact, they typically pay more relative to a non-illegal immigrant with the same income because they're less likely to take certain deductions or claim certain credits, lest they draw attention to themselves.

[Drachmar]

I hear the Army is looking for people to start fires in Afghanistan.

Sure they will draft everyone up and send them over with matches.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country- ... ry_id=Iran
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country- ... of-America

Our military budget is not going down.
You would be surprised by how well our government can save money when they are REALLY REALLY forced to.

I doubt they'll be drafted; I doubt they'd be armed with just matches.

[Bluth Corporation]

Actually, large numbers of them do.

How exactly does this work? Wouldn't your presence have to be known by the state in order to pay income tax?

The vast majority of income taxes paid by the vast majority of workers are paid by the employer through deductions from the employee's paycheck.

[Lessnt]

I already explained that if you relied on an illegal workforce of course your gonna be affected by LAW ACTUALLY BEING ENFORCED!

So we should crack down on illegal immigration, thus getting rid of a huge chunk of our agricultural workforce. All of which means that small farms across the US will be faced with the same problems that Georgia is now facing, namely rotting crops and massive losses. And if you think that farmers can aboard those losses you're probably wrong. Farming is not the most profitable enterprise.

WE should crack down on anything that takes opportunity away from americans.
Americans = legal immigrant and natural born.

[Drachmar]

Illegal immigrants don't pay income tax.

Yeah, they really do. In fact, they typically pay more relative to a non-illegal immigrant with the same income because they're less likely to take certain deductions or claim certain credits, lest they draw attention to themselves.

Not to mention they pay payroll taxes on programs they'll likely never use.

[AiliailiA]

I think the residency option is the Federal DREAM act (which has not passed).

There is a pathway to be an american.
And if they added the second part of the dream act people would be trying to kick his *** out of office.

You could argue that with qualifications and a better work history, the immigrants have better standing if they do apply for residency. But there's nothing specifically about residency or citizenship in the California bills.

It's confusing that the state bill and the federal bill have the same name when they're quite different. American pollies just love a good name don't they?

[California Bay Area]

I already explained that if you relied on an illegal workforce of course your gonna be affected by LAW ACTUALLY BEING ENFORCED!

So we should crack down on illegal immigration, thus getting rid of a huge chunk of our agricultural workforce. All of which means that small farms across the US will be faced with the same problems that Georgia is now facing, namely rotting crops and massive losses. And if you think that farmers can aboard those losses you're probably wrong. Farming is not the most profitable enterprise.

Yes wether people like it or not we need them because Americans are not going to do the picking.

[Robert Magoo]

How exactly does this work? Wouldn't your presence have to be known by the state in order to pay income tax?

The vast majority of income taxes paid by the vast majority of workers are paid by the employer through deductions from the employee's paycheck.

Alright...


well then, free up the immigration process. There's no reason not to let them in. Enforce the law, but don't have stupid laws on the book in the first place.

[Bleckonia]

I think that it is good for the most part, but these people should be required to become citizens before receiving aid.

[Lessnt]

There is a pathway to be an american.
And if they added the second part of the dream act people would be trying to kick his *** out of office.

You could argue that with qualifications and a better work history, the immigrants have better standing if they do apply for residency. But there's nothing specifically about residency or citizenship in the California bills.

It's confusing that the state bill and the federal bill have the same name when they're quite different. American pollies just love a good name don't they?

No one is saying they are exactly the same.

[California Bay Area]

So we should crack down on illegal immigration, thus getting rid of a huge chunk of our agricultural workforce. All of which means that small farms across the US will be faced with the same problems that Georgia is now facing, namely rotting crops and massive losses. And if you think that farmers can aboard those losses you're probably wrong. Farming is not the most profitable enterprise.

WE should crack down on anything that takes opportunity away from americans.
Americans = legal immigrant and natural born.

Again how many farms are there , how many hotels , how many targets . No way are there nearly enough legal people who would take a low paying hard labor job.

[Lessnt]

I think that it is good for the most part, but these people should be required to become citizens before receiving aid.

The government has become accustom to bypassing laws rather than trying to go through the work of changing them.

[AiliailiA]

So we should crack down on illegal immigration, thus getting rid of a huge chunk of our agricultural workforce. All of which means that small farms across the US will be faced with the same problems that Georgia is now facing, namely rotting crops and massive losses. And if you think that farmers can aboard those losses you're probably wrong. Farming is not the most profitable enterprise.

WE should crack down on anything that takes opportunity away from americans.

Actually, I think the national interest is best served by educating the most qualified applicants regardless of their citizenship. State interest too.

Americans = legal immigrant and natural born.

Just to be clear about what you mean by "legal immigrants" ... would you require them to have gained citizenship (naturalized) or would legal residency be sufficient?

[Orlkjestad]

If you are a tax-paying, hard-working illegal immigrant that is actually contributing to this country, feel free to stay here. This conservative xenophobia concerning illegals is an embarrassment to this nation.

In other words, I'm with this all the way.

[Conserative Morality]

The government has become accustom to bypassing laws rather than trying to go through the work of changing them.

Because half of the government is preventing the other half from changing the laws on the Federal level, and I don't mean just the Republicans.

[Lessnt]

WE should crack down on anything that takes opportunity away from americans.
Americans = legal immigrant and natural born.

Again how many farms are there , how many hotels , how many targets . No way are there nearly enough legal people who would take a low paying hard labor job.

It would not be low paying.
They would raise the pay.
Then raise the price on consumers.
But the only way for it to be fair would be to crack down all over the country and not a single areas otherwise they jump states and continue to own the industry.

[North Calaveras]

If you are a tax-paying, hard-working illegal immigrant that is actually contributing to this country, feel free to stay here. This conservative xenophobia concerning illegals is an embarrassment to this nation.

In other words, I'm with this all the way.

That's the spirit, just hope over to America as long as you work hard and pay taxes your good here....I mean sure what if you have links to terrorist organizations as long as you appear to be working hard...

dude...cmon man.

[Soheran]

The government has become accustom to bypassing laws rather than trying to go through the work of changing them.

The government (Congress specifically) is dysfunctional. And California can't change federal law and is in no way "bypassing" it with this legislation.

[California Bay Area]

Again how many farms are there , how many hotels , how many targets . No way are there nearly enough legal people who would take a low paying hard labor job.

It would not be low paying.
They would raise the pay.
Then raise the price on consumers.
But the only way for it to be fair would be to crack down all over the country and not a single areas otherwise they jump states and continue to own the industry.

A living wage , no they don't pay that to Americans nor illegals . Plus why would you get that kind of job when you can get a better one