Seeing as the US has spent a trillion on war in the past decade, I doubt that spending a similar amount with additional money from the ESA, Russia, JAXA and Korea,m it could be pulled off over twice the time frame.
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by The Corparation » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:04 pm
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by Set the Unbound » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:07 pm
Grenartia wrote:Anyways, most of this country's problems can be solved by:
- legalizing, regulating, and taxing the sale of 'soft' drugs such as marijuana
- spending as much on education as we do on the military, and spending as much on the military as we do on education
- setting term limits on congress
- focusing our economy towards manned space flight, particularly by providing incentives to businesses
Grenartia wrote:Holerad wrote:
Lunar propellant would be exported to EML1 and Low Earth Orbit. Also lunar nitrogen, oxygen, water to drink and water for radiation shields could be exported to EML1.
A Mars bound or NEO bound ship would stop at LEO and EML1, not land on the moon. In terms of delta V, EML1 has a huge advantage over low earth orbit.
Although I must disagree with that comic. Earth->Moon->Mars is more like San Antonio->Houston->Omaha than Tucson->Houston->Omaha...
by Grenartia » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:10 pm
by Senestrum » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:50 pm
by Drobak » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:52 pm
The cost of it would be in the trillions. A moon base is definitely possible. Even crazier than that idea, if the major nations of the world all contributed we could go to Mars and literally create a new ecosystem sustainable for us live there. We have the ability to crate a new ozone, create moisture in the air for clouds to form and rain to fall, plants to grow, oxygen...You can see where this is going lol Its sad we humans only concern is the present. The millions of year it took for our brains to develop in such a way, we could do such incredible things.Sjovenia wrote:Do you think that if NASA or America had enough money to go to the moon do you think we would have been/ or are able to have a moon base on the moon. And lets be real I'm not talking star wars Sci-Fi im talking modern day moon base kind of like a station but on the moon? I just want your feedback and your thoughts on this topic. if you can find pictures to go along with them then thats cool to but no droids and light sabers or aliens...lets keep it MT.
by Holerad » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:05 pm
Senestrum wrote:must not have noticed the person i was talking to was talking about stopping at the moon
Senestrum wrote:it's certainly more efficient to haul lunar ice and shit to orbit to refuel rockets, but i question if it's actually more economical in the foreseeable future since, you know, the cost of building and running an industrial-scale moon mining+water electrolysis infrastructure will be included in the cost of the fuel
besides, if you're at the point where you can pull off that sort of spaceborne infrastructure you really have no excuse for using chemical propulsion for anything beyond putting around in the earth-moon area
by The Soviet Technocracy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:15 pm
by AiliailiA » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:45 pm
Grenartia wrote:Holerad wrote:(Image)
Lunar propellant would be exported to EML1 and Low Earth Orbit. Also lunar nitrogen, oxygen, water to drink and water for radiation shields could be exported to EML1.
A Mars bound or NEO bound ship would stop at LEO and EML1, not land on the moon. In terms of delta V, EML1 has a huge advantage over low earth orbit.
Although I must disagree with that comic. Earth->Moon->Mars is more like San Antonio->Houston->Omaha than Tucson->Houston->Omaha...
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
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by Set the Unbound » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:47 pm
Ailiailia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Although I must disagree with that comic. Earth->Moon->Mars is more like San Antonio->Houston->Omaha than Tucson->Houston->Omaha...
You didn't get it. Those are refuelling stops along the way, and Holerad just told you the ship doesn't actually land on the moon.
Even if it did, getting off the moon is like an order of magnitude easier than getting off earth. Remember the puny little thruster on the bottom of the Apollo landers?
by North Defese » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:52 pm
by ZellDincht » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:01 pm
by Grenartia » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:20 pm
Ailiailia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Although I must disagree with that comic. Earth->Moon->Mars is more like San Antonio->Houston->Omaha than Tucson->Houston->Omaha...
You didn't get it. Those are refuelling stops along the way, and Holerad just told you the ship doesn't actually land on the moon.
Even if it did, getting off the moon is like an order of magnitude easier than getting off earth. Remember the puny little thruster on the bottom of the Apollo landers?
Set the Unbound wrote:Ailiailia wrote:
You didn't get it. Those are refuelling stops along the way, and Holerad just told you the ship doesn't actually land on the moon.
Even if it did, getting off the moon is like an order of magnitude easier than getting off earth. Remember the puny little thruster on the bottom of the Apollo landers?
No, he does get it. Houston is not that big a detour from San Antonio.
Peace!
by Sjovenia » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:00 am
by AiliailiA » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:08 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Horsefish » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:11 am
Big Jim P wrote:We already got the propaganda coup, what else does the moon have that we want or need?
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.
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by Horsefish » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:15 am
Big Jim P wrote:Point. But we would have to send in the Marines to clear out the Nazis first.
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.
The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.
by Big Jim P » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:15 am
Zaineia wrote:To build a moonbase would produce jobs, increase GDP and could lead to new natural resources.Therefore it is an economically good idea to build a new base.
by Holerad » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:03 am
Big Jim P wrote:What resources?
Big Jim P wrote:Better question: What resources that would economically justify attempting to extract them from the moon?
by Sjovenia » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:03 pm
Big Jim P wrote:Zaineia wrote:To build a moonbase would produce jobs, increase GDP and could lead to new natural resources.Therefore it is an economically good idea to build a new base.
What resources? Better question: What resources that would economically justify attempting to extract them from the moon?
by The Corparation » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:05 pm
Sjovenia wrote:Big Jim P wrote:
What resources? Better question: What resources that would economically justify attempting to extract them from the moon?
The moon is a chunk of the earth that was thrown into earths orbit after a meteor hit the earth millions and trillions of years ago...their could be oil or gas heck even iron or gold or any other natural resource...heck even Blue fire!!!! (Blue fire is a gas that is drilled by the Gazprom oil co. the store front is in my forums some where)
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by Sociobiology » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:42 pm
Holerad wrote:Senestrum wrote:Which is fantastic for stuff that starts out on the moon, but it still takes a lot more fuel to move a spacecraft to the moon, refuel it, and send it to its destination than it does to just send it straight there.
Lunar propellant would be exported to EML1 and Low Earth Orbit. Also lunar nitrogen and oxygen to breathe, lunar water to drink and lunar water for radiation shields could be exported to EML1.
A Mars bound or NEO bound ship would stop at LEO and EML1, not land on the moon. In terms of delta V, EML1 has a huge advantage over low earth orbit.
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