What are your religious beliefs?

[Bluth Corporation]

I am a Christian; therefore, I am an atheist; therefore, I have no religion.

[Intangelon]

None of anyone's business. Would that it were that way everywhere.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Rather, I believe, Bottle thinks you need help if you believe that you require a god to be happy and whatnot.

This said, I was insulted when you compared atheists to Hitler and Charles Manson. It appears that you really have no right to be insulted when you cast the first metaphorical stone.

I never said that, we even just proved that Hitler thought he was Catholic and doing God's work (He wasn't, making it clear)
I only implied that someone COULD be driven to that if their religion or personal code told them to. The difference is that religion has a community and a written law that (most of the time) states if something is wrong or not.

Actually, what makes you think that Hitler wasn't doing God's work? Maybe God thinks that Hitler is indeed doing God's work whereas you are not; how would you know better? I don't mean to offend people offended by the Holocaust and Hitler, but since Cookish brought up Hitler, I'll use that as an example. You can substitute any Christian inside. Therefore, similarly, maybe God thinks that the Pope is not doing God's work whereas you are; how would you/the Pope know better?

[Moral Libertarians]

You are not forced to post here, in an open debate forum. You are free to leave at any time.

Oooh, but you don't understand, I am forced to post in here, not by my own motives (as I don't like being badgered by you all any more than you like hearing me go on about 'my beliefs') but by an obligation to keep this an argument and not a total religion bashing thread.

Just pointing out, I never 'bashed religion'. I can't speak for others, but as I posted here, I respect your right to believe what you will.

[The Cookish States]

I never said that, we even just proved that Hitler thought he was Catholic and doing God's work (He wasn't, making it clear)
I only implied that someone COULD be driven to that if their religion or personal code told them to. The difference is that religion has a community and a written law that (most of the time) states if something is wrong or not.

Actually, what makes you think that Hitler wasn't doing God's work? Maybe God thinks that Hitler is indeed doing God's work whereas you are not; how would you know better? I don't mean to offend people offended by the Holocaust and Hitler, but since Cookish brought up Hitler, I'll use that as an example. You can substitute any Christian inside. Therefore, similarly, maybe God thinks that the Pope is not doing God's work whereas you are; how would you/the Pope know better?

If there was an smilie for total exasperation you would see it now.
There isn't a way to be sure, that's why you gotta have faith. I just try to follow the bible, and if through all those years of imperialism and the corrupt Catholic church changing it has totally changed the ideology, then I cannot possibly know, so I follow what i'm given, and God will judge me accordingly.
And I can tell you that if Hitler was doing God's work, I would much prefer to endure an eternity of unthinkable torture than accompany him in the heavens.

[Moral Libertarians]

Actually, what makes you think that Hitler wasn't doing God's work? Maybe God thinks that Hitler is indeed doing God's work whereas you are not; how would you know better? I don't mean to offend people offended by the Holocaust and Hitler, but since Cookish brought up Hitler, I'll use that as an example. You can substitute any Christian inside. Therefore, similarly, maybe God thinks that the Pope is not doing God's work whereas you are; how would you/the Pope know better?

If there was an smilie for total exasperation you would see it now.
There isn't a way to be sure, that's why you gotta have faith. I just try to follow the bible, and if through all those years of imperialism and the corrupt Catholic church changing it has totally changed the ideology, then I cannot possibly know, so I follow what i'm given, and God will judge me accordingly.
And I can tell you that if Hitler was doing God's work, I would much prefer to endure an eternity of unthinkable torture than accompany him in the heavens.

So you're happy to follow a text you as good as admitted could be a completely human fabrication of God's word?
Just checking. If, having looked at other options, that remains your choice, then very well. I can try and reason with you, but I cannot compel you to abandon your beliefs, nor denigrate your motivations for sticking by them.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Actually, what makes you think that Hitler wasn't doing God's work? Maybe God thinks that Hitler is indeed doing God's work whereas you are not; how would you know better? I don't mean to offend people offended by the Holocaust and Hitler, but since Cookish brought up Hitler, I'll use that as an example. You can substitute any Christian inside. Therefore, similarly, maybe God thinks that the Pope is not doing God's work whereas you are; how would you/the Pope know better?

There isn't a way to be sure, that's why you gotta have faith.

Funny that the reason for you to have faith was the same exact reason for me to have lost my faith a few years back. If I can't be sure, what can I trust? It didn't make sense for me to have faith in what I was unsure of, don't you agree?

I'll just try to start over from zero, trying not to have any teachings or prior beliefs cloud my visions, as I begin to make sense of the world on my own. Which is what I did after I came to my sudden realization regarding the Bible, Christianity, and all of organized religion.

[The Rich Port]

I am a Christian; therefore, I am an atheist; therefore, I have no religion.

QED

[Xiran]

Islam lol.

[German Democratic Republic (Ancient)]

I am a christian/communist hybrid, possible, you tell me

[Furious Grandmothers]

I am a christian/communist hybrid, possible, you tell me

Sure. Because how is communism a religion?

[German Democratic Republic (Ancient)]

by some it is considered a religion

[The Cookish States]

by some it is considered a religion

Meh. That's just part of the Red Scare, trying to convince us americans that the two are mutually exclusive, when they aren't. Your good.

[The Cookish States]

If there was an smilie for total exasperation you would see it now.
There isn't a way to be sure, that's why you gotta have faith. I just try to follow the bible, and if through all those years of imperialism and the corrupt Catholic church changing it has totally changed the ideology, then I cannot possibly know, so I follow what i'm given, and God will judge me accordingly.
And I can tell you that if Hitler was doing God's work, I would much prefer to endure an eternity of unthinkable torture than accompany him in the heavens.

So you're happy to follow a text you as good as admitted could be a completely human fabrication of God's word?
Just checking. If, having looked at other options, that remains your choice, then very well. I can try and reason with you, but I cannot compel you to abandon your beliefs, nor denigrate your motivations for sticking by them.

Thank you. I really do appreciate your respectful tone.
Furious Grandmothers...I'm not changing your beliefs, you aren't changing mine, lets save our bitching and leave it at that.

[German Democratic Republic (Ancient)]

Has the government ever apologized for the red scares, if not, they should.

[Herrebrugh]

Has the government ever apologized for the red scares, if not, they should.

This thread has nothing to do with the red scare.

[German Democratic Republic (Ancient)]

Oh, right, sorry.

[Herrebrugh]

Oh, right, sorry.

[The Cookish States]

Oh, right, sorry.

Hey now, threads have gotten far more off track than that...Good on you for catching it early though.

[Tsavos]

Atheist

[Furious Grandmothers]

So you're happy to follow a text you as good as admitted could be a completely human fabrication of God's word?
Just checking. If, having looked at other options, that remains your choice, then very well. I can try and reason with you, but I cannot compel you to abandon your beliefs, nor denigrate your motivations for sticking by them.

Thank you. I really do appreciate your respectful tone.
Furious Grandmothers...I'm not changing your beliefs, you aren't changing mine, lets save our bitching and leave it at that.

Aww.....I had hope because someone on NSG changed my beliefs and I finally see how wrong I was. I totally respect religious people who are in it purely because of faith. However, when they say they also believe due to logical reasons, that's when I see a contradiction and want to point it out to them. And one of the things about logic is that when you are unsure about something, you do not believe in it, but you take a step back and figure out what is right that you can be more sure of.

Also, by bitching, do you mean that I have complained excessively? At least, that's what urban dictionary defines it as. Quote which is the line in which I bitched at you? If I see that that line was really off-limits then I do apologize.

[The Halbetan Union]

Thank you. I really do appreciate your respectful tone.
Furious Grandmothers...I'm not changing your beliefs, you aren't changing mine, lets save our bitching and leave it at that.

Aww.....I had hope because someone on NSG changed my beliefs and I finally see how wrong I was. I totally respect religious people who are in it purely because of faith. However, when they say they also believe due to logical reasons, that's when I see a contradiction and want to point it out to them. And one of the things about logic is that when you are unsure about something, you do not believe in it, but you take a step back and figure out what is right that you can be more sure of.

Also, by bitching, do you mean that I have complained excessively? At least, that's what urban dictionary defines it as. Quote which is the line in which I bitched at you? If I see that that line was really off-limits then I do apologize.

How can a furious grandmother not bitch?

[The Cookish States]

Thank you. I really do appreciate your respectful tone.
Furious Grandmothers...I'm not changing your beliefs, you aren't changing mine, lets save our bitching and leave it at that.

Aww.....I had hope because someone on NSG changed my beliefs and I finally see how wrong I was. I totally respect religious people who are in it purely because of faith. However, when they say they also believe due to logical reasons, that's when I see a contradiction and want to point it out to them. And one of the things about logic is that when you are unsure about something, you do not believe in it, but you take a step back and figure out what is right that you can be more sure of.

Also, by bitching, do you mean that I have complained excessively? At least, that's what urban dictionary defines it as. Quote which is the line in which I bitched at you? If I see that that line was really off-limits then I do apologize.

Ha, my definition of bitching in this case-Throwing facts and opinions back and forth to eachother while neither makes any headway.
And let's try to keep this civil, I won't insult your beliefs anymore (As I did once, sorry) and I trust you won't insult/make light of mine.
Ahem, logically my religion doesn't make sense, i'll give you that. But there are many more factors in my life which (Quite apparently) I hold over logic.
There aren't tools to measure spiritual interference, therefore, maybe God (Or something else) controls us through processess that still abide by scientific law, because they created that law in the beginning. This may sound like babbling to you, but I will consent that there is absolutely NO way to know even in the slightest if there is a God, or aliens, or nothing at all. I just choose to put all of my eggs in one basket because I was raised around it. Maybe the Islamic folks are right, maybe the Jews are, hell maybe it's the atheists who are right. To me that doesn't matter. I'm sure Allah would damn me to hell, God may punish me if his son never existed, and I may just cease to exist forever upon death...but I can't help but think Maybe they won't, maybe there is more.
Where you have doubt, I have faith, where you have science, I have the Bible, where you have only death, I have hope for something better than this.

Oh, and this is late, but Moral:I hate overly organized religion too, this is why I have more of a relationship with God than religion. Small to medium sized churches are fine in my book, but things like the Vatican and huge churches with more than 1,000 or so members strike me as corrupt.

[Moral Libertarians]

Oh, and this is late, but Moral:I hate overly organized religion too, this is why I have more of a relationship with God than religion. Small to medium sized churches are fine in my book, but things like the Vatican and huge churches with more than 1,000 or so members strike me as corrupt.

You're right about that. You are what I would term a 'good' Christian, in that you show no interest in forcing your beliefs onto others. If only all your fellow believers could have similar outlooks...

[The Cookish States]

Oh, and this is late, but Moral:I hate overly organized religion too, this is why I have more of a relationship with God than religion. Small to medium sized churches are fine in my book, but things like the Vatican and huge churches with more than 1,000 or so members strike me as corrupt.

You're right about that. You are what I would term a 'good' Christian, in that you show no interest in forcing your beliefs onto others. If only all your fellow believers could have similar outlooks...

Well, they mean well, but they only add to the stereotypes...but in their eyes I'm the bad Christian for being 'an apologist'.
Meh. Whatever.