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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun May 15, 2011 9:49 pm

The Divine Imperium wrote:Homesexual's don't get rights. Their weak-willed mentalities allowed them to catch the gay.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun May 15, 2011 9:50 pm

As much as I dislike it, in name of freedom and equality - I would say they should have same right as everyone else. Morals doesnot come to play while making laws...
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun May 15, 2011 9:50 pm

Great Nepal wrote:As much as I dislike it, in name of freedom and equality - I would say they should have same right as everyone else. Morals doesnot come to play while making laws...

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Postby The Corparation » Sun May 15, 2011 9:50 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:Homosexual people have a right to be treated with the same common decency that everyone has a right to. Gay marriage should be legal because it is a step toward a less sexist way of thinking.

Sexism is discrimination based on sex not sexual orientation. Not sure what the correct term is. Usually homophobic is used that context.
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Postby Spoonlande » Sun May 15, 2011 9:51 pm

We are against them......only because we are against all rights....equally

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun May 15, 2011 9:51 pm

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Trotskylvania wrote:Lately, the gay and lesbian rights activists have gotten too focused on making the movement as heteronormative as possible, to the point of outright suppressing the points-of-view of bisexuals, transgendered persons and those who have an alternate lifestyle from the middle class, frankly conservative image the leaders of the gay and lesbian rights movement, particularly in the fight for marriage rights.

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I do agree with you in that even LGBT rights activists can be intolerant to even other homosexual, bisexuals, and transgendered people whose views don't fit the majority. I was just asking what you thought about lgbt rights and not necessarily the movement as a whole

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the abstract concept of equal rights...

But concretely, the state's role as the central provider of distributive justice in society is highly problematic. Not only is the movement turning out to be its own worst enemy, focusing solely on rights as provided by the state isn't enough to ensure equality.

As for acceptance of LBGT people, they've probably only undermined their own efforts. Look at how wrapped up the LBGT movement is in finding deterministic, biological causes for being gay etc. The attitude that comes from that in broader society isn't "You're a human being, I'll accept you as one unconditionally," it's more of "Well, you're a disgusting faggot, but it isn't your fault, because who would choose to be so disgusting, so I won't hold it against you".
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Postby Norstal » Sun May 15, 2011 9:51 pm

Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view. Personally I believe in equal rights for all people regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion or lack thereof, or culture.

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Postby The Corparation » Sun May 15, 2011 9:52 pm

Spoonlande wrote:We are against them......only because we are against all rights....equally

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Postby Haletia (Ancient) » Sun May 15, 2011 9:52 pm

The LGBTQIA community is very near and dear to me. Having many gay friends and family, this is something I feel passionately about. They are no different from straight people. I find it to be extremely ridiculous that this is still being debated. Why should anyone be denied their RIGHTS just because of who they love/are attracted to? It shouldn't be complicated. They deserve the exact same rights as EVERYONE else. Period.

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Postby Coltessia » Sun May 15, 2011 9:52 pm

I'm not going to be coy, I do believe it is sinful. However, I know there is no personality difference, and the homosexuals I have met have all been very nice. I believe things like this should be determined by the people of a given area. Though I'm personally against Homosexual marriage, I am 100% in favor of letting it go to referendum so the people can decide, rather than musty old men in Washington.

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Sun May 15, 2011 9:54 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:Inb4 Farn

I like rights for the gays. They're good things.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun May 15, 2011 9:56 pm

Coltessia wrote:I'm not going to be coy, I do believe it is sinful. However, I know there is no personality difference, and the homosexuals I have met have all been very nice. I believe things like this should be determined by the people of a given area. Though I'm personally against Homosexual marriage, I am 100% in favor of letting it go to referendum so the people can decide, rather than musty old men in Washington.

Why should we let any group of people deny anyone rights?

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Postby Meryuma » Sun May 15, 2011 9:56 pm

Coltessia wrote:I'm not going to be coy, I do believe it is sinful.


Why?

Seems irrational.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun May 15, 2011 9:57 pm

I believe all should be free to partake of the rights shared by most of society. :bow: I would love to see the end of discrimination against all gays, lesbians, bisexuals, pansexuals, transsexuals, cross-dressers, gender queer, and likewise people. :] They should enjoy the same rights as everyone else...

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Postby The Divine Imperium » Sun May 15, 2011 9:57 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Divine Imperium wrote:Homesexual's don't get rights. Their weak-willed mentalities allowed them to catch the gay.

General is not in character, so references to ones nation are not "allowed".


This is my view on gays... Though, the same idea does apply for my country.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun May 15, 2011 9:58 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Coltessia wrote:I'm not going to be coy, I do believe it is sinful. However, I know there is no personality difference, and the homosexuals I have met have all been very nice. I believe things like this should be determined by the people of a given area. Though I'm personally against Homosexual marriage, I am 100% in favor of letting it go to referendum so the people can decide, rather than musty old men in Washington.

Why should we let any group of people deny anyone rights?

^ This. Human Rights should never be a question of "Does the rest of society want to let you do this?" It should be a given regardless.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun May 15, 2011 9:58 pm

The Divine Imperium wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:General is not in character, so references to ones nation are not "allowed".


This is my view on gays... Though, the same idea does apply for my country.

Then your beliefs are foolish. I am no weak willed, or I would have succumb to the anti-gay ideals of the current regime. This, and you cannot become homosexual through contact. It is not a disease or illness.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun May 15, 2011 10:00 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Homosexual people have a right to be treated with the same common decency that everyone has a right to. Gay marriage should be legal because it is a step toward a less sexist way of thinking.

Sexism is discrimination based on sex not sexual orientation. Not sure what the correct term is. Usually homophobic is used that context.


The term I meant to use is sexism. If a man is allowed to have a wife, then I should also be allowed to have one. In states where same sex marriage is banned, any man can marry any woman regardless of their sexual orientation. These laws cause problems for gays, but the actual basis of discrimination is sex, not sexual orientation.

I feel like requiring marriage to be one man and one woman encourages the thinking that men and women naturally must play different roles in the marriage, and that these roles are biologically determined. That thinking is sexist and wrong.
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Sun May 15, 2011 10:00 pm

There are no gay rights. There are simply human rights. I'm not sure that the right to have your monogamous partnership be recognized by society and to have special privileges as a result of this exclusive partnership is really something that I'd consider a fundamental human right, but since society recognizes this ritual for heterosexual pairings, I see no reason not to extend it to other pairings as well.

Thus, I don't hold marriage as an absolute right in the strict philosophical sense. However, in the context of a society obsessed with this particular pairing, it can be guaranteed as it makes people happy. Denying it does harm, and produces no benefit.

As for right to discrimination-free employment, this is once again something that can only be reasonably considered a guarantee in the context of a capitalist society. In a hunter-gatherer tribe, "right to employment" is meaningless. So it is not a right fundamental to the very core of being human. However, it makes people more content here and only "hurts" people in the sense that they have to be around people they arbitrarily hate. Hell, you could argue that it helps them as well because it helps to correct their prejudice. Thus, it does good, and no real harm (Homosexuality does not determine the "merit" of an employee in almost any job. Were there a job where it could actually make the individual less capable, then discrimination should be allowed. Of course, no such job exists, as far as I know.), so it should be put into practice.

Thus, I'm mostly in favor of what "gay rights" groups advocate.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun May 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
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This is my view on gays... Though, the same idea does apply for my country.

Then your beliefs are foolish. I am no weak willed, or I would have succumb to the anti-gay ideals of the current regime. This, and you cannot become homosexual through contact. It is not a disease or illness.

I'm pretty sure people would go gay for you. :p
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Postby Haletia (Ancient) » Sun May 15, 2011 10:03 pm

Unhealthy2 wrote:There are no gay rights. There are simply human rights.


This.

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Ceannairceach wrote:Then your beliefs are foolish. I am no weak willed, or I would have succumb to the anti-gay ideals of the current regime. This, and you cannot become homosexual through contact. It is not a disease or illness.

I'm pretty sure people would go gay for you. :p

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Postby Mosasauria » Sun May 15, 2011 10:04 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Lately, the gay and lesbian rights activists have gotten too focused on making the movement as heteronormative as possible, to the point of outright suppressing the points-of-view of bisexuals, transgendered persons and those who have an alternate lifestyle from the middle class, frankly conservative image the leaders of the gay and lesbian rights movement, particularly in the fight for marriage rights.

How dare you not want to live your life like Leave it to Beaver? Oh well, the gay and lesbian movement doesn't have much to say for you anymore. And god help you if you're female-to-male transgendered, because no one wants you.

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Mosasauria wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Lately, the gay and lesbian rights activists have gotten too focused on making the movement as heteronormative as possible, to the point of outright suppressing the points-of-view of bisexuals, transgendered persons and those who have an alternate lifestyle from the middle class, frankly conservative image the leaders of the gay and lesbian rights movement, particularly in the fight for marriage rights.

How dare you not want to live your life like Leave it to Beaver? Oh well, the gay and lesbian movement doesn't have much to say for you anymore. And god help you if you're female-to-male transgendered, because no one wants you.

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