UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Vassenor]

And you're wrong.

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

So private insurance is extortion now?

[Souseiseki]

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

So private insurance is extortion now?

how do you feel about the american healthcare system lol

[Gravlen]

Bercow has done a fantastic job, all things considered. While it's understandable why he's stepping down now, it is unfortunate. Hope his successor will be as competent and fair as he has been.

[Souseiseki]

perhaps the tories will "outfox" us by installing a partisan patsy that will allow them to flagrantly shit all over everything

[Greater vakolicci haven]

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

So private insurance is extortion now?

Do private insurers do bad things to you if you don't pay?

[Vassenor]

So private insurance is extortion now?

Do private insurers do bad things to you if you don't pay?

Does the state do bad things to you if you don't pay?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Do private insurers do bad things to you if you don't pay?

Does the state do bad things to you if you don't pay?

...yes?
They lock you in prison for several years.

[Nimzonia]

Does the state do bad things to you if you don't pay?

...yes?
They lock you in prison for several years.

Unless you're a billionaire, anyway.

[North German Realm]

And you're wrong.

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

If you paying money so bad things won't happen to you means bad things won't happen to me? Yes. It's the best thing ever. Suffer all of your money if I must.

[Chestaan]

if the lib dems actually go forward with the idea of soaking up the tories and abandoning social liberalism in favour of trying to become tory lite and replacing them as the other big party in the two party system then i will completely fucking lose it and write off your country as doomed to authortarianism-lite forever

I think the fact that former Tories are clambering to join the Lib Dems tells us all we need to know about their party. They are the Tories B Team and now they don't even care about hiding it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

If you paying money so bad things won't happen to you means bad things won't happen to me? Yes. It's the best thing ever. Suffer all of your money if I must.

I don't have a responsibility to you.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you paying money so bad things won't happen to you means bad things won't happen to me? Yes. It's the best thing ever. Suffer all of your money if I must.

I don't have a responsibility to you.

Morally, you do.

Legally too, coming to think of it. A responsibility not to harm.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

if the lib dems actually go forward with the idea of soaking up the tories and abandoning social liberalism in favour of trying to become tory lite and replacing them as the other big party in the two party system then i will completely fucking lose it and write off your country as doomed to authortarianism-lite forever

I think the fact that former Tories are clambering to join the Lib Dems tells us all we need to know about their party. They are the Tories B Team and now they don't even care about hiding it.

So do former Labour MPs joining mean they are also simultaneously the Labour B team? What a fucking stupid assertion.

[Ther Sul Citzpacia]

perhaps the tories will "outfox" us by installing a partisan patsy that will allow them to flagrantly shit all over everything

the election process is explained:-

https://www.parliament.uk/business/commons/the-speaker/the-role-of-the-speaker/role-of-the-speaker/

Since it would be after the next election unless he resigns there's no guarantee that the Tories will be in power- who knows maybe even the SNP will be the largest party? Although the Monster Raving Loonies would be less crazy that what's being going on. So, if the Tories could 'outfox' us all the partisan patsy would have to be a Blairite.

The likely speaker would probably be out of this lot https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2017/june/election-of-deputy-speakers/ or maybe Nigel Evans who's held the deputy position before.

had to check if Lang was still a Tory considering the reverberations that have being going on- must be the fracking.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-49471321

[The Archregimancy]

if the lib dems actually go forward with the idea of soaking up the tories and abandoning social liberalism in favour of trying to become tory lite and replacing them as the other big party in the two party system then i will completely fucking lose it and write off your country as doomed to authortarianism-lite forever

I'm asking you this out of genuine curiosity, not to be argumentative, but what makes you think that the LibDems are in any danger of 'abandoning social liberalism'?

Obviously something's made you concerned, but I know that behind the scenes party discussions are very much focused on making sure that social liberalism remains core to party values, and that any new MPs who join from other parties accept what the party constitution has to say on that point.

[Ifreann]

So private insurance is extortion now?

how do you feel about the american healthcare system lol

"Pay me money or bad things will happen to you" - The banks, landlords, Aldi, and all the other capitalists that own the things you need to live

[Novus America]

If you paying money so bad things won't happen to you means bad things won't happen to me? Yes. It's the best thing ever. Suffer all of your money if I must.

I don't have a responsibility to you.

Fair enough. I propose this. You no longer have to pay your taxes.
But if you fail to pay your taxes you lose all rights to use public services.

You will be prohibited from driving on a public roads, and using public transportation.
You will not be given a passport. You may not call the police or fire department. You may not use a public hospital. Your house will be detached from all public infrastructure.

Fair deal. You do not get a service you do not pay for, surely you agree with that principle?

[The Archregimancy]

I think the fact that former Tories are clambering to join the Lib Dems tells us all we need to know about their party. They are the Tories B Team and now they don't even care about hiding it.

So do former Labour MPs joining mean they are also simultaneously the Labour B team? What a fucking stupid assertion.

And in fact, of the five MPs who've recently defected to the LibDems, there are more former Labour MPs than former Tory MPs.

Umunna, Berger, and Smith are former Labour MPs

Wollaston and Lee are former Conservative MPs.

Also worth noting that the defectors with the largest majorities are Umunna (26,000+) and Berger (29,000+)

Sources tell me that Heidi Allen is likely (but not 100% definitely) going to announce she's joining the LibDems during the prorogation, in which case the split will be 50/50 between former Labour and former Tory MPs; but I agree that, on current the basis of the current defection figures, Chestaan's assertion seems a little odd.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't have a responsibility to you.

Fair enough. I propose this. You no longer have to pay your taxes.
But if you fail to pay your taxes you lose all rights to use public services.

You will be prohibited from driving on a public roads, and using public transportation.
You will not be given a passport. You may not call the police or fire department. You may not use a public hospital. Your house will be detached from all public infrastructure.

Fair deal. You do not get a service you do not pay for, surely you agree with that principle?

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The Yellowhammer motion passed 311 to 302.

Another nail in Johnson's coffin.

[The Archregimancy]

The Yellowhammer motion passed 311 to 302.

Another nail in Johnson's coffin.

Has this 'government' won a single vote in Parliament yet?

Genuinely curious.

Once they do, I'm perfectly willing to take the quotation marks off 'government'.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Even a minute of thought should be enough to work out why that is a bad idea.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Even a minute of thought should be enough to work out why that is a bad idea.

I'm pretty sure you'd see very little money in the foreign aid budget.

[Shrillland]

The Yellowhammer motion passed 311 to 302.

Another nail in Johnson's coffin.

Has this 'government' won a single vote in Parliament yet?

Genuinely curious.

Once they do, I'm perfectly willing to take the quotation marks off 'government'.

Of the six votes that have been held....no, they haven't.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Fair enough. I propose this. You no longer have to pay your taxes.
But if you fail to pay your taxes you lose all rights to use public services.

You will be prohibited from driving on a public roads, and using public transportation.
You will not be given a passport. You may not call the police or fire department. You may not use a public hospital. Your house will be detached from all public infrastructure.

Fair deal. You do not get a service you do not pay for, surely you agree with that principle?

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

A government by the rich, you mean? Wherein the rich few get to decide how the country is run? No thank you.

Besides, we do decide where our taxes go. We vote for a Parliament that decides that.