The Problem with Andrew Tate (and Incel Radicalization)

[Des-Bal]

All I can say is I can see your posts, man. It's pretty clear to me that you think the statement made, curiously three times, is something that one can consider "substantial", and and this point you're just unwilling to admit it. This is, of course, why I deadlift more than you. As to keep with the general theme so far, I don't care that you don't care.
"and even if you make a case that they are I don't fucking care"
lol and this is the guy who seemingly threw a hissy fit about *me* not caring about something, despite, as have I think stated quite clearly, being very interested in the something. it was you who never cared all along! What a twist!
I tell ya what, wanna know how you could have countered me? You could have said Hustlers University isn't an MLM at all. Where am I gonna go from there, fella?

Keep looking.


I genuinely dont get the deadlift thing are you hoping I'll grace you with one of the colorful descriptions I gave Tate? It's not going to happen because 1) your gains are lacking and 2) I can only call Tate a muscle dummy because he's not a poster.

Yeah, you're not getting it- if you don’t care whether or not an MLM is a pyramid scheme the issue no amount of proof that it is or isnt will not change your view makes the subject unimportant. We don't need to discuss it so we won't. I don't care whether a legal MLM is a positive or negative thing, no amount of proof that it is positive or negative will change my view so the subject is unimportant. We've clearly established this doesn't matter so it's weird I've had to say that so many times.

[Kubra]

All I can say is I can see your posts, man. It's pretty clear to me that you think the statement made, curiously three times, is something that one can consider "substantial", and and this point you're just unwilling to admit it. This is, of course, why I deadlift more than you. As to keep with the general theme so far, I don't care that you don't care.
"and even if you make a case that they are I don't fucking care"
lol and this is the guy who seemingly threw a hissy fit about *me* not caring about something, despite, as have I think stated quite clearly, being very interested in the something. it was you who never cared all along! What a twist!
I tell ya what, wanna know how you could have countered me? You could have said Hustlers University isn't an MLM at all. Where am I gonna go from there, fella?

Keep looking.


I genuinely dont get the deadlift thing are you hoping I'll grace you with one of the colorful descriptions I gave Tate? It's not going to happen because 1) your gains are lacking and 2) I can only call Tate a muscle dummy because he's not a poster.

Yeah, you're not getting it- if you don’t care whether or not an MLM is a pyramid scheme the issue no amount of proof that it is or isnt will not change your view makes the subject unimportant. We don't need to discuss it so we won't. I don't care whether a legal MLM is a positive or negative thing, no amount of proof that it is positive or negative will change my view so the subject is unimportant. We've clearly established this doesn't matter so it's weird I've had to say that so many times.

Oh, you're way off the mark. I am saying it because I enjoy saying it. it gives me immense pleasure, one that those who deadlift less than I cannot understand.
hey hey hey now you're the one who said that even if I prove MLM's the great satan you won't care, even though that would mean Tate is communicating with the devil himself. Which, you know, if there is such a thing as the devil or his incarnation I would generally think consorting with him would be a reasonable qualification for being a "societal ill".
You've further said, literally right there, that you won't care if running an MLM is negative thing in general, without it being associated with sinister religious figures, and so this is pretty much by your own admission that you really don't care if Tate is hustling teenagers out of their lunch money. This is correct, yes?
Which of course brings us full circle: why are you more concerned with a guy making bad hot takes instead of hustling teenagers out of their lunch money?

[Des-Bal]

Oh, you're way off the mark. I am saying it because I enjoy saying it. it gives me immense pleasure, one that those who deadlift less than I cannot understand.
hey hey hey now you're the one who said that even if I prove MLM's the great satan you won't care, even though that would mean Tate is communicating with the devil himself. Which, you know, if there is such a thing as the devil or his incarnation I would generally think consorting with him would be a reasonable qualification for being a "societal ill".
You've further said, literally right there, that you won't care if running an MLM is negative thing in general, without it being associated with sinister religious figures, and so this is pretty much by your own admission that you really don't care if Tate is hustling teenagers out of their lunch money. This is correct, yes?
Which of course brings us full circle: why are you more concerned with a guy making bad hot takes instead of hustling teenagers out of their lunch money?

I dont think weightlifting or nosepicking are things sensible people should be proud of.

Because an influencer spreading harmful ideas is more of a problem than little Bobby blowing his milk money on XRay specs only to discover its not going to help him see boobs. I don't think that's an especially hot take- the thread is subtitled and incel radicalization not and kids have less disposable income because of bad choices. I take zero issue with a legal transaction between an idiot and another idiot.

[Kubra]

Oh, you're way off the mark. I am saying it because I enjoy saying it. it gives me immense pleasure, one that those who deadlift less than I cannot understand.
hey hey hey now you're the one who said that even if I prove MLM's the great satan you won't care, even though that would mean Tate is communicating with the devil himself. Which, you know, if there is such a thing as the devil or his incarnation I would generally think consorting with him would be a reasonable qualification for being a "societal ill".
You've further said, literally right there, that you won't care if running an MLM is negative thing in general, without it being associated with sinister religious figures, and so this is pretty much by your own admission that you really don't care if Tate is hustling teenagers out of their lunch money. This is correct, yes?
Which of course brings us full circle: why are you more concerned with a guy making bad hot takes instead of hustling teenagers out of their lunch money?

I dont think weightlifting or nosepicking are things sensible people should be proud of.

Because an influencer spreading harmful ideas is more of a problem than little Bobby blowing his milk money on XRay specs only to discover its not going to help him see boobs. I don't think that's an especially hot take- the thread is subtitled and incel radicalization not and kids have less disposable income because of bad choices. I take zero issue with a legal transaction between an idiot and another idiot.

Why not? A hobby is a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with feeling good about getting good at a hobby, is there?
Which of course brings us back to Albania. Well, do you have an answer? Would your line of reasoning be legitimate in the event of ponzi schemes being legal?
Ya see, one thing makes folks actually go broke, the other don't. Dig? And, of course, one involves recruiting other teens to send their lunch money in for the opportunity to convice others to send in their lunch money for the opportunity of recruiting others to send in their lunch money. The other don't.
Plenty of folks make shitty takes. They're called uncles. Few uncles monetise em, you know?

[Des-Bal]

Why not? A hobby is a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with feeling good about getting good at a hobby, is there?
Which of course brings us back to Albania. Well, do you have an answer? Would your line of reasoning be legitimate in the event of ponzi schemes being legal?
Ya see, one thing makes folks actually go broke, the other don't. Dig? And, of course, one involves recruiting other teens to send their lunch money in for the opportunity to convice others to send in their lunch money for the opportunity of recruiting others to send in their lunch money. The other don't.
Plenty of folks make shitty takes. They're called uncles. Few uncles monetise em, you know?

Nosepicking is a fine hobby it just shouldn't be a point of pride.1

Ypu could certainly argue Tate is worse than an uncle, I don't know who would try to stop you.

[Kubra]

Why not? A hobby is a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with feeling good about getting good at a hobby, is there?
Which of course brings us back to Albania. Well, do you have an answer? Would your line of reasoning be legitimate in the event of ponzi schemes being legal?
Ya see, one thing makes folks actually go broke, the other don't. Dig? And, of course, one involves recruiting other teens to send their lunch money in for the opportunity to convice others to send in their lunch money for the opportunity of recruiting others to send in their lunch money. The other don't.
Plenty of folks make shitty takes. They're called uncles. Few uncles monetise em, you know?

Nosepicking is a fine hobby it just shouldn't be a point of pride.1

Ypu could certainly argue Tate is worse than an uncle, I don't know who would try to stop you.

Sure. Could you tell me what goes into the process of becoming good at nosepicking? Any technical pointers? I nosepick from time to time, and I don't want to be known as a mere dabbler.
Yes, I could. What is at stake is not whether or not he is worse than the average uncle, but the means by which he is such. Dig?

[Des-Bal]

[Sure. Could you tell me what goes into the process of becoming good at nosepicking? Any technical pointers? I nosepick from time to time, and I don't want to be known as a mere dabbler.
Yes, I could. What is at stake is not whether or not he is worse than the average uncle, but the means by which he is such. Dig?

Sure, if he was molesting teenagers be huge. But he's just having a business you don't like so whatever, you can be mad about dumb shit it's an industry.

[Kubra]

[Sure. Could you tell me what goes into the process of becoming good at nosepicking? Any technical pointers? I nosepick from time to time, and I don't want to be known as a mere dabbler.
Yes, I could. What is at stake is not whether or not he is worse than the average uncle, but the means by which he is such. Dig?

Sure, if he was molesting teenagers be huge. But he's just having a business you don't like so whatever, you can be mad about dumb shit it's an industry.

What, no tips? no cues? No periodisation? And here I was hoping to get better at nosepicking.
Which of course brings us back to Albania, doesn't it?
I'm curious, why your refusal here to comment?

[Des-Bal]

What, no tips? no cues? No periodisation? And here I was hoping to get better at nosepicking.
Which of course brings us back to Albania, doesn't it?
I'm curious, why your refusal here to comment?

It's crazy how I have to tell you I don't care more than once. We are not discussing the differences between a ponzi scheme, a pyramid scheme, and an mlm. It's not relevant to this thread and if it was we've already established it changes absolutely nothing about the equation.

[Kubra]

What, no tips? no cues? No periodisation? And here I was hoping to get better at nosepicking.
Which of course brings us back to Albania, doesn't it?
I'm curious, why your refusal here to comment?

It's crazy how I have to tell you I don't care more than once. We are not discussing the differences between a ponzi scheme, a pyramid scheme, and an mlm. It's not relevant to this thread and if it was we've already established it changes absolutely nothing about the equation.

We are discussing your being wedded to the legal/illegal distinction, ain't we? Which again returns to Albania, who for a time had legalised ponzi schemes. All I have asked is if your reasoning would be legitimate in such a situation. From there, it would be a simple matter of why or why not. Could you elaborate on why this would change nothing?
Yes, you don't care, which is why I deadlift more than you. I care about things, man. I read about them. From what I can tell, everything you know on this topic has had to be given to you, really not a good look.

[Ayytaly]

ITT an incel discussion now has become a topic of the morality of swindling impressionable social outcasts.

[Kubra]

ITT an incel discussion now has become a topic of the morality of swindling impressionable social outcasts.

and deadlifting

[Ayytaly]

ITT an incel discussion now has become a topic of the morality of swindling impressionable social outcasts.

and deadlifting

Deadlifting's for meatheads. Squats are for intellectuals.

[Fractalnavel]

Deadlifting's for meatheads. Squats are for intellectuals.

shoot, i had that backwards.

[Fahran]

ITT an incel discussion now has become a topic of the morality of swindling impressionable social outcasts.

Isn’t that what all conversations about incels are?

[My Bedroom]

The problem with incel radicalization is that women are basically sex objects, so therefore not using them would be letting those objects go to waste, so therefore the ideology of incels is wasteful.

[Erablegensstan]

Western feminism bred western incels. I noticed that inceldom and far-right ideology have also intersected more since the Elliot Rodger shooting and Trump's entry to the 2016 elections with his anti-Mexican (anti-brown) rhetoric.

Both feminism and incelism seem to be products of Anglo-Americans, though. How bored are WASPs now that they once again had to "shake up" society just to make themselves feel important again?

Western feminism is "dump him feminism." Those incels, being rejected of sex, commit violence, sure. But even if they were given sex, they would've committed violence anyways (that's called domestic abuse , and no it wasn't good during your grandma's "good old days." Those women got abused or beaten but it was pointless for them to report it.

So yeah, western feminists would rather just avoid the incels. At least they're harmless, meanwhile the inceldom is harmful. You don't see female Elliot Rodgers. You see Atlanta Spa Shooters, and other mass shooters who claim they are incels who hate women specifically (which I find is pretty sexist but yeah.)

Western feminism is partially responsible for the Incel phenomenom. That and a lack of positive male role models in the life of many modern young men.

[Katganistan]

The problem with incel radicalization is that women are basically sex objects, so therefore not using them would be letting those objects go to waste, so therefore the ideology of incels is wasteful.

*** Warned for trolling *** Women are not sex objects.

[My Bedroom]

The problem with incel radicalization is that women are basically sex objects, so therefore not using them would be letting those objects go to waste, so therefore the ideology of incels is wasteful.

*** Warned for trolling *** Women are not sex objects.

Uhm, source?

[Fahran]

Sure, if he was molesting teenagers be huge. But he's just having a business you don't like so whatever, you can be mad about dumb shit it's an industry.

Given his business is largely predicated on ripping people off and that he's spreading some pretty nasty ideas around in the process, how bad do you think the average uncle is?

[Ayytaly]

ITT an incel discussion now has become a topic of the morality of swindling impressionable social outcasts.

Isn’t that what all conversations about incels are?

The Incel is what you get when a social outcast who never had any nookie in his life (they're 99% male) is immersed and surrounded by commercialized sex. He wants to fit in but is rejected because commercialization is all about looks.

[Des-Bal]

Given his business is largely predicated on ripping people off and that he's spreading some pretty nasty ideas around in the process, how bad do you think the average uncle is?

Show me he's committing a crime. If he's running a legal business I don't care about it and no amount of your disapproval of what he's selling is going to change that. Same treatment I give chiropractors, crystal weirdos, and acupuncturists- I don't care if you're taking stupid peoples money until you break through law.

[Kubra]

Given his business is largely predicated on ripping people off and that he's spreading some pretty nasty ideas around in the process, how bad do you think the average uncle is?

Show me he's committing a crime. If he's running a legal business I don't care about it and no amount of your disapproval of what he's selling is going to change that. Same treatment I give chiropractors, crystal weirdos, and acupuncturists- I don't care if you're taking stupid peoples money until you break through law.

Albania

[Fahran]

Show me he's committing a crime. If he's running a legal business I don't care about it and no amount of your disapproval of what he's selling is going to change that. Same treatment I give chiropractors, crystal weirdos, and acupuncturists- I don't care if you're taking stupid peoples money until you break through law.

And all the misogyny?

You're trying really hard to make Tate seem neutral when he's not. Hence why I asked how bad you think the average uncle is. 'Cause my uncles don't go around trumpeting about how women are property and don't go around engaging in MLM schemes.

[Alcala-Cordel]

"He hasn't been convicted of anything yet!!!!"

Don't care; he's a misogynist. That alone should be reason enough to muzzle him.

Because apparently "being more convincing than him" is an option some of his critics see as beyond their reach, I guess.

Plenty of people believe stupid shit in spite of more convincing arguments. People, especially kids, are impressionable, and advocates for womens' rights aren't to blame for their indoctrination into misogyny.