Ethicaly questionable or just a perk of the job.

[Saaturia]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

Why? You are paying them to come into your home, because you are too lazy or too unedeucated to fix it yourself, and instead of treating them like a guest, and with respect, you treat them like shit. To compensate for them being an asshole, they should get charged extra.

What I have a problem with is the secrecy, the customer not knowing they are subject to an "asshole fee". If it's an agreed upon term, fine, but sneaking around and being an asshole back to an asshole is just, well, assholish.
And what qualifies one of being an asshole? They didn't greet you enthusiastically enough? You didn't offer them a chair after they finish? Say, for example, you get a phone call explaining a relative is deathly ill and the repair man comes a mere five minutes later. Should you be subject to extra fees because you are in a less-than-stellar mood?

[Saint Jade IV]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

I think its the danger of being an arsehole. Noone deserves to be treated the way I was working in a call centre by some people. Noone deserves to be treated the way some of my tradie friends are by clients. So tacking on a few extra fees for the ill-treatment that some morons with a superiority complex feel entitled to give those they perceive as beneath them.

I tend to lean towards the opinion that if I have to hire someone to repair or fix something, I should be respectful of the knowledge that they have in this area. So I tend to treat them as I would treat any other professional.

[JuNii]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

it is unethical. but there are things you can do to assholes that is well within the legality of the job.

like failing to mention any specials they could take advantage of. I know some people who repaired my toilet would say, "we have a coupon in the newspaper... we'll give you advertised rate even tho you need the coupon."

but then again, I do shit like have drinks, snacks that they can help themselves to while they work.

[Grave_n_idle]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

[La Habana]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Why should you see it as ethically questionable? It heightens your sense of power, so what's wrong with that? All living beings exists to accumulate and expend their power, why should you feel guilty for it?

[Katganistan]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

Why? You are paying them to come into your home, because you are too lazy or too unedeucated to fix it yourself, and instead of treating them like a guest, and with respect, you treat them like shit. To compensate for them being an asshole, they should get charged extra.

Point of order: they are not a guest. They are a paid employee.
That said: when someone does a good job, I'll give them a tip. The grocery delivery guy who carries my stuff upstairs gets at least $5.00 -- more if he's got to carry a lot of heavy stuff like soda. It's worth it to me to give him five bucks to avoid carrying stuff up to the second floor. If they deliver in shitty circumstances, or near a holiday, they get more.

[Saaturia]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

I think its the danger of being an arsehole. Noone deserves to be treated the way I was working in a call centre by some people. Noone deserves to be treated the way some of my tradie friends are by clients. So tacking on a few extra fees for the ill-treatment that some morons with a superiority complex feel entitled to give those they perceive as beneath them.

I tend to lean towards the opinion that if I have to hire someone to repair or fix something, I should be respectful of the knowledge that they have in this area. So I tend to treat them as I would treat any other professional.

Again, some of these people with a superiority complex may just be dealing with something very difficult and personal and their behavior and demeanor comes off as being abrasive.
I'd like to ask you now, if a service-person is rude while visiting your home, is it ethical to pay them less? (Disregarding the legal ramifications of course)

[The Parkus Empire]

Why should you see it as ethically questionable? It heightens your sense of power, so what's wrong with that? All living beings exists to accumulate and expend their power, why should you feel guilty for it?

He might not be a fan of Nietzsche.

[JuNii]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

I think its the danger of being an arsehole. Noone deserves to be treated the way I was working in a call centre by some people. Noone deserves to be treated the way some of my tradie friends are by clients. So tacking on a few extra fees for the ill-treatment that some morons with a superiority complex feel entitled to give those they perceive as beneath them.

I tend to lean towards the opinion that if I have to hire someone to repair or fix something, I should be respectful of the knowledge that they have in this area. So I tend to treat them as I would treat any other professional.

except, when you try to explain to the lawyers why you are engaging in fraud... I don't think they'll buy the reason for the extra fees.

besides, such workers have ways to get back at those 'charming' customers without resorting to the illegal.

[Saaturia]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

it is unethical. but there are things you can do to assholes that is well within the legality of the job.

like failing to mention any specials they could take advantage of. I know some people who repaired my toilet would say, "we have a coupon in the newspaper... we'll give you advertised rate even tho you need the coupon."

but then again, I do shit like have drinks, snacks that they can help themselves to while they work.

Right, the service-person isn't required to do any favors for assholes, but sticking them with extra fees is, as I've been saying, unethical.

[Greed and Death]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

This.



Another slightly releated question. Is it ethical for businesses in the service industry to charge an asshole fee? For example, the person who hires a repair man, treats them like dirt. Should the repair man be allowed to charge them extra?

I'd say that the "asshole fee" is a bit unethical. Assholes are just an "anti-perk" of the job. I don't think you should be allowed to secretly pad their bill.

I think its the danger of being an arsehole. Noone deserves to be treated the way I was working in a call centre by some people. Noone deserves to be treated the way some of my tradie friends are by clients. So tacking on a few extra fees for the ill-treatment that some morons with a superiority complex feel entitled to give those they perceive as beneath them.

I tend to lean towards the opinion that if I have to hire someone to repair or fix something, I should be respectful of the knowledge that they have in this area. So I tend to treat them as I would treat any other professional.

except, when you try to explain to the lawyers why you are engaging in fraud... I don't think they'll buy the reason for the extra fees.

besides, such workers have ways to get back at those 'charming' customers without resorting to the illegal.

Normally Ive heard the asshole fee comes up when the contractor threatens to leave the job half done unless the person agrees to leave the premises for the rest of repairs and pay a much higher estimate.
I also here contractors all charge an arm and a leg if they are called to finish up a job another contractor left.

[JuNii]

Normally Ive heard the asshole fee comes up when the contractor threatens to leave the job half done unless the person agrees to leave the premises for the rest of repairs and pay a much higher estimate.
I also here contractors all charge an arm and a leg if they are called to finish up a job another contractor left.

Depends on the situation.

normally, such 'asshole fee' is called "Penalty for Breach of Contract" and is written into the contracts.

as for contractors being called in to finish another's job? yeah, because the new contractor has to scramble to get things in order. even if using the old contractor's bids and what not.

but again, it depends on the situation. if the Contractor breaks the contract, sometimes the new contractor won't tack on additional fees.

[Antilon]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

That's a plumber, or a milkman, perk.

Or cable guy, or mailman.

Huh, I've always thought it was the butcher who delivers the meat...

I don't find a problem, IMO they're just nice people who know how to appreciate the people they're dependent on.

[Rolling squid]

So long as you don't neglect those who don't give you stuff, I see nothing wrong here.

[Disco Tetris]

I'd say its a bit unethical, if you are doing things faster for those who give you gifts. Take the gifts only if you can still be unbiased in the duties of your job. You should work equally for those you are already paid to serve.

[La Habana]

Why should you see it as ethically questionable? It heightens your sense of power, so what's wrong with that? All living beings exists to accumulate and expend their power, why should you feel guilty for it?

He might not be a fan of Nietzsche.

True

[United Dependencies]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

That's a plumber, or a milkman, perk.

Or cable guy, or mailman.

Huh, I've always thought it was the butcher who delivers the meat...

You win one internet.

[Greed and Death]

Why should you see it as ethically questionable? It heightens your sense of power, so what's wrong with that? All living beings exists to accumulate and expend their power, why should you feel guilty for it?

He might not be a fan of Nietzsche.

True

I actually am a fan of Nietzsche but I tend to leave the master,slave morality stuff at the door for NSG.

[The Parkus Empire]

I actually am a fan of Nietzsche but I tend to leave the master,slave morality stuff at the door for NSG.

Kinda referring to GnI.

[Greed and Death]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

[Grave_n_idle]

Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.

Unethical.

Not 'questionable' - it's unethical. If it was ethical, the question would never have popped into your head.

*accidentally turns off GNI's heat.*

...which would just be evidence.

It's true, though.

You know when people want to post slightly risky images on their flags, and they go and start a thread in Moderation saying something like "would it be okay to use this image *image* as a flag"? and the reply is always 'if you have to ask, you already know the answer'...?

Yeah. That.

[Mean Feat]

Unethical. If you're just doing such a great job that people "tip" you spontaneously then fine. It stops being that when you do a better or worse job depending on whether they're going to "tip".

Prioritizing jobs according to whether they pay tips may be fine for a contractor, who has an seperate business relationship with each client, but it isn't for a caretaker who is paid a wage to do services for all of the clients. I think it's questionable even for wait staff whose income is largely tips.

Money is coming out of each resident's rent, to employ Greed and Death. They're paying already, and they each deserve the same level of service. And if there is more caretaking work than g&d can do in his hours, and some residents are not getting service they've paid for unless they 'pay' extra, then that is corruption. It is taking bribes. Unethical.

[Imsogone]

I won't deal with ethics but with practicality.

For the sake of argument, I'm a renter. I pay $xxxx/mo for rent, this includes things like maintenance and repairs. So one fine day, the water heater dies and water gushes everywhere. My things are sodden, I can't bathe or wash dishes, I have to turn off the electricity because of the water. So I call the manager and request you to come to my place asap because it's an emergency. I have never given you a beer or a meal or any form of "perk". I have, however, been courteous to you and treated you with respect. Anyway, 24 hours and many, at first desparate and then angry, phone calls later, you finally toddle in and, in your desultory fashion, you barely fix the problem. The reason you give for your tardiness is that there were calls before me. I check into these calls and find that you were spending a couple of hours fixing the drippy faucet in the hot chicks apartment because she gave you a beer and another couple of hours tacking down the carpet of the old guy who let you watch the football game on his 52" HD TV. My first response is not to give you a beer, it's to complain to the manager and get your sorry ass fired.

This should be worthy of your consideration.

[JuNii]

perk as long as you dont start demanding it or taking sex as payment.

That's a plumber, or a milkman, perk.

Or cable guy, or mailman.

Huh, I've always thought it was the butcher who delivers the meat...

I don't find a problem, IMO they're just nice people who know how to appreciate the people they're dependent on.

and the Cable guy the cable...
Mailmen deliver the 'Package'
Plumbers will help clean your pipes...
Milkmen... they make the cream...

[JuNii]

I won't deal with ethics but with practicality.

For the sake of argument, I'm a renter. I pay $xxxx/mo for rent, this includes things like maintenance and repairs. So one fine day, the water heater dies and water gushes everywhere. My things are sodden, I can't bathe or wash dishes, I have to turn off the electricity because of the water. So I call the manager and request you to come to my place asap because it's an emergency. I have never given you a beer or a meal or any form of "perk". I have, however, been courteous to you and treated you with respect. Anyway, 24 hours and many, at first desparate and then angry, phone calls later, you finally toddle in and, in your desultory fashion, you barely fix the problem. The reason you give for your tardiness is that there were calls before me. I check into these calls and find that you were spending a couple of hours fixing the drippy faucet in the hot chicks apartment because she gave you a beer and another couple of hours tacking down the carpet of the old guy who let you watch the football game on his 52" HD TV. My first response is not to give you a beer, it's to complain to the manager and get your sorry ass fired.

This should be worthy of your consideration.

I doubt that the call log will show "was at apt 309 repairing Hot Chick's leaky faucet because she gave me a beer."

It would most likely be "fixing pipes in apt 309", "Scheduled Carpentry work at 207".