English Flag Hoodie Looks Like Ku Klux Klan Outfit

[Kommeria]

All they had to do is spend another minute designing the hood. Seriously, thats either laziness or ignorance.

Yeah, and those damn indians too! They show such disrespect putting racial symbols on everything!

That symbol pre-dates the Nazis.
The hoodie doesn't pre-date the KKK.

Not to mention the Nazi's swastica looks like an X, while these are "+" shaped.

[Llamalandia]

All they had to do is spend another minute designing the hood. Seriously, thats either laziness or ignorance.

Yeah, and those damn indians too! They show such disrespect putting racial symbols on everything!

Actaully don't those spiral in the opposite direction of the swastika? That and yeah, obviously indians used it before the nazis.

[Saruhan]

Yeah, and those damn indians too! They show such disrespect putting racial symbols on everything!

That symbol pre-dates the Nazis.
The hoodie doesn't pre-date the KKK.

Hoodies have
Rainjackets have
St George England hurrah hurrah has

Stop being so prescriptivist about this. Things have different meanings to other people. This is basic human relationships. They teach this in social science

Also, by your logic, swastikas cannot be used after the nazis.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Who gives a damn if it resembles the KKK cloak? It's the British flag

[Constaniana]

Who gives a damn if it resembles the KKK cloak? It's the British flag

*eye twitch*

English. St. George's cross is English. Just English (And Georgian, and all those other countries that use it). Not Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish. It's not British. England does not equal the entirety of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Saying England=Great Britain is like saying Texas is all of America.

[Imperializt Russia]

They don't use the English cross.
They use the St George's Cross, which features on a number of national flags. Notably Georgia's which features five of them.

Oh, thanks for clarifying, but to be honest as far as I can tell they look exactly same, red cross on white background what's the difference or is it in name only that they differ?

Well, it's because the "English Cross" is just a full-flag St George's Cross.
The St George's Cross as used by the KKK as a symbol of the crusades it typically just an adornment, where it probably has more in common with the four ornamental crosses of the Georgian flag.

So yeah, a completely logical position to take. [sarcasm]

It's not logical, but justified.

Per Nihil's explanation, it's now less justified, since as well as what I said about that company today being only vaguely linked with its wartime ancestor - it's not even the same company anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen ... ear_future
During Denazification, Volkswagen was run by the British Army before being handed back to the Germans.

All they had to do is spend another minute designing the hood. Seriously, thats either laziness or ignorance.

I prefer the term "wholly fucking unnecessary".
The KKK are not culturally relevant here.

All they had to do is spend another minute designing the hood. Seriously, thats either laziness or ignorance.

Probably a bit of both, unless they determined that a pointed hood was somehow advantageous in the rain. Like with hydrodynamic and areodynmic testing.

It's just cheaper to make.
It's a £3 rain-poncho-flag. It's not a desirable product in the sense that an actual hoodie would be.

Yeah, and those damn indians too! They show such disrespect putting racial symbols on everything!

That symbol pre-dates the Nazis.
The hoodie doesn't pre-date the KKK.

Not to mention the Nazi's swastica looks like an X, while these are "+" shaped.

Because the Nazis used the Hakenkreuz, while the swastika is a social symbol that shares no similar meaning.

[Llamalandia]

Well if the world cup is ever held in teh USA, I would advise my English friends to be careful what rain poncho they wear.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Who the fuck cares? Half the people in the UK probably don't even know what the KKK is, so why make a big deal about it?

People get offended with blackfaces in the Netherlands and Brazil as of the 2010s and they have no cultural or historical relevance here.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

This is worse then the time one New Zealand Millionaire designed special Dog food "fit especially for the consumption by kenyans".... I wish that was joking/satire, but no...

There was a "pet human food" (literally ração humana, in comparison to ração canina) fad in my country not many years ago. It was derived from cereals, though.

http://g1.globo.com/globoreporter/0,,MUL1497433-16619,00-APRENDA+A+PREPARAR+A+RECEITA+DA+RACAO+HUMANA.html

http://g1.globo.com/globoreporter/0,,MUL1497429-16619,00.html

[The Archregimancy]

Who the fuck cares? Half the people in the UK probably don't even know what the KKK is, so why make a big deal about it?

People get offended with blackfaces in the Netherlands and Brazil as of the 2010s and they have no cultural or historical relevance here.

I can't speak for Brazil, but blackfacing does have cultural context and historical relevance in Western Europe, and it's therefore understandable that the practice would cause controversy in Western Europe.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I can't speak for Brazil, but blackfacing does have cultural context and historical relevance in Western Europe, and it's therefore understandable that the practice would cause controversy in Western Europe.

Oh, I thought it was mostly a North American thing.

I'd expect it to have a small relevance in the British Isles - shared cultural roots - but not elsewhere.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I don't think so, if I recall correctly, Neo-Nazi's are cool with Catholics, something the KKK isn't.

Excuse me? Which Catholics are supposedly ok with assholes who most assuredly do not 'love their neighbor as themselves'?

The ones who get radicalized whenever they go real anti-communist and think fascists are okay allies in their fight.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Or, we could say that it looks like Spanish priests, but then people wouldn't be able to get all their baggage about European national symbols out.


Obviously, we should be protesting about the papist invasion of England that this is representing

It's actually a coup set by the oh-so-always-ebul communazi government of Brazil.

[The Archregimancy]

Also, it's not like in Britain the KKK is a "notorious group of white supremacists" - because, you know, USA =/= the world.

Everybody with proper education knows what he/she's looking at when they see a KKK outfit, including English football fans. Yes, the KKK are that well known. Some people are just going too far in their claims that Americans have an America-centred view. If a black person in England sees someone wearing a KKK outfit, do you really think he'll think: "Oh well, I'm in Britain, so this in no way offensive, as the KKK is only culturally relevant in the USA, not here, no, there is racism in the UK, sure, but it has different labels, nope, this is just a guy who likes to wear white conical hats, yes, I shouldn't be paranoid". Or would he think: "Oh that's the KKK outfit that everybody knows, those people are racists. That's weird, I thought they were only active in the USA".

So tell me this...

When a European sees the following pictures, does he think "OMG, KKK!", or does he think "Ah; must be Holy Week in Spain again".

Or should Spaniards be banned from wearing capirotes during Holy Week because Americans, quite understandably, would make very different associations if they saw someone wearing one of those outfits?

[Katganistan]

Who gives a damn if it resembles the KKK cloak? It's the British flag

*eye twitch*

English. St. George's cross is English. Just English (And Georgian, and all those other countries that use it). Not Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish. It's not British. England does not equal the entirety of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Saying England=Great Britain is like saying Texas is all of America.

To Texans, Texas IS all of America. That doesn't repudiate your point, however.

[Katganistan]

Well if the world cup is ever held in teh USA, I would advise my English friends to be careful what rain poncho they wear.

Those clearly would not be sold here in the US, and the big "ENGLAND" on the back should differentiate it enough for all but the most set on being offended over nothing.

[Katganistan]

Excuse me? Which Catholics are supposedly ok with assholes who most assuredly do not 'love their neighbor as themselves'?

The ones who get radicalized whenever they go real anti-communist and think fascists are okay allies in their fight.

Yes, well, source?

[Alyakia]

Everybody with proper education knows what he/she's looking at when they see a KKK outfit, including English football fans. Yes, the KKK are that well known. Some people are just going too far in their claims that Americans have an America-centred view. If a black person in England sees someone wearing a KKK outfit, do you really think he'll think: "Oh well, I'm in Britain, so this in no way offensive, as the KKK is only culturally relevant in the USA, not here, no, there is racism in the UK, sure, but it has different labels, nope, this is just a guy who likes to wear white conical hats, yes, I shouldn't be paranoid". Or would he think: "Oh that's the KKK outfit that everybody knows, those people are racists. That's weird, I thought they were only active in the USA".

So tell me this...

When a European sees the following pictures, does he think "OMG, KKK!", or does he think "Ah; must be Holy Week in Spain again".

Or should Spaniards be banned from wearing capirotes during Holy Week because Americans, quite understandably, would make very different associations if they saw someone wearing one of those outfits?

tbh i'm more familiar with the KKK than "holy week in spain", and i'm not sure germans would do any better

though since i now feel obligated and it would be funny on the KKK scale the pictures of 6/10, 5/10, 0/10, 2/10.

The ones who get radicalized whenever they go real anti-communist and think fascists are okay allies in their fight.

Yes, well, source?

speaking of spain...

e: where the catholic church collaborated with the fascist government and vice versa, in which catholicism was used by the regime as a way of trying to boost its popularity. always cover your basses.

e2: but they weren't fascists and they only had hitler help them not vice versa yadda yadda

[Risottia]

Also, it's not like in Britain the KKK is a "notorious group of white supremacists" - because, you know, USA =/= the world.

Everybody with proper education knows what he/she's looking at when they see a KKK outfit, including English football fans. Yes, the KKK are that well known. Some people are just going too far in their claims that Americans have an America-centred view. ...

Not enough, it seems. See Archie's rebuttal. Yes, A LOT of Americans are completely America-centred.

[Risottia]

Exactly?

Yellow background and purple writing, and circular motifs

Anyway UKIP should be shot.

Let's not get there. Advocating death of real people = bad, m'kay.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Yes, well, source?

Can't speak for elsewhere, but in Brazil parts of Integralismo are seen as far-right and they're okay about walking with other far-right elements - according to them Nazism is left-wing.

[Herrebrugh]

Everybody with proper education knows what he/she's looking at when they see a KKK outfit, including English football fans. Yes, the KKK are that well known. Some people are just going too far in their claims that Americans have an America-centred view. ...

Not enough, it seems. See Archie's rebuttal. Yes, A LOT of Americans are completely America-centred.

This really reminds me of the black Pete debate earlier. There it was pretty much said that "everyone with a proper education knows what blackface is". I'll completely agree that lots of Americans have an America-centered view. And that isn't bad in itself. I'm sure I'm Netherland/Euro-centered myself. I just don't claim that things that are true in Netherland are automatically also true in all other countries of the globe.

[Alcmaria]

So tell me this...

When a European sees the following pictures, does he think "OMG, KKK!", or does he think "Ah; must be Holy Week in Spain again".

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Or should Spaniards be banned from wearing capirotes during Holy Week because Americans, quite understandably, would make very different associations if they saw someone wearing one of those outfits?

tbh i'm more familiar with the KKK than "holy week in spain", and i'm not sure germans would do any better

though since i now feel obligated and it would be funny on the KKK scale the pictures of 6/10, 5/10, 0/10, 2/10.

What Alyaka said, although I'd say 8/10, 3/10, respectively, for the first two pictures. First picture would definitely remind people of the KKK, and the other 3 pictures would make people think: "What kind of creepy outfit is that? Holy Week in Spain? Oh, ok". That Spain is in Europe and the KKK isn't apparently doesn't mean that Europeans are more familiar with the Holy Week in the former than with the KKK in the latter.

Some people are just going too far in their claims that Americans have an America-centred view.

Not enough, it seems. See Archie's rebuttal. Yes, A LOT of Americans are completely America-centred.

But when I, as a European, say that the outfit reminds me of the KKK, that's also America-centred?

[Herrebrugh]

tbh i'm more familiar with the KKK than "holy week in spain", and i'm not sure germans would do any better

though since i now feel obligated and it would be funny on the KKK scale the pictures of 6/10, 5/10, 0/10, 2/10.

What Alyaka said, although I'd say 8/10, 3/10, respectively, for the first two pictures. First picture would definitely remind people of the KKK, and the other 3 pictures would make people think: "What kind of creepy outfit is that? Holy Week in Spain? Oh, ok". That Spain is in Europe and the KKK isn't apparently doesn't mean that Europeans are more familiar with the Holy Week in the former than with the KKK in the latter.

Not enough, it seems. See Archie's rebuttal. Yes, A LOT of Americans are completely America-centred.

But when I, as a European, say that the outfit reminds me of the KKK, that's also America-centred?

Which doesn't mean that everyone with a "proper" education knows what the KKK is. Unless you're everyone with a proper education, of course.

I'm quite sure there are lots of people who have gone through university without ever hearing of the KKK. I myself only learned about it through South Park, which is pretty much how I learned at least more than half of what I know about America.

[Imperializt Russia]

The ones who get radicalized whenever they go real anti-communist and think fascists are okay allies in their fight.

Yes, well, source?

I somehow figure this is a really oblique reference to Hitler.