Global ramifications of the Corona Crisis

[Albrenia]

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx

And I know why: Trump at least knows what he's doing

Funny joke.

[Moscareinas]

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx

And I know why: Trump at least knows what he's doing

lol wtf

i mean, you could argue fucking it up royally can be an expertise, but would you want that shit in a leader? like, come the fuck on now

[Moscareinas]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

So what you’re saying is the West should go George Bush mode and give "freedom" to every country that doesn’t have democracy? While I would love for every country to have democracy, I will have to say the rhetoric here is scarily similar to neocon rhetoric, warmongering makes a comeback after every major crisis now doesn’t it?

not so much a war as a way to discredit and remove authoritarians from power without generating too much instability either there or abroad, because i don't want people dead or marginalized, i want them safe and enjoying democracy

the problem is i don't know how to do that without invoking a natural disaster that an authoritarian will want to cover up, either to keep up with his delusions of grandeur, or to scare away the do-gooders

[Australian rePublic]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

[Moscareinas]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

if xi truly is opening up his country because this contagion is now well contained, then no

you'll hear a lot of rip and slash to our east, though, as the united states goes for #1 no matter what

[Washington Resistance Army]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. Especially not with the military putting up new hospitals and shit. The only real concern is how many people will die and how many we can prevent if we can get enough supplies.

[Moscareinas]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. Especially not with the military putting up new hospitals and shit. The only real concern is how many people will die and how many we can prevent if we can get enough supplies.

as someone did say, this may not be the end of the world, but it does have the symptoms of it

however, has the military been given that green light? or is it still full steam ahead to packed churches by easter?

[Washington Resistance Army]

No. Especially not with the military putting up new hospitals and shit. The only real concern is how many people will die and how many we can prevent if we can get enough supplies.

as someone did say, this may not be the end of the world, but it does have the symptoms of it

however, has the military been given that green light? or is it still full steam ahead to packed churches by easter?

I know at least in New York they've put up a number of field hospitals already and several forts in the region are committing more personnel and resources to it. The big concern is having enough beds and ventilators. If we can get those in enough numbers and keep up the lockdown for another couple weeks we'll largely be fine.

[Moscareinas]

as someone did say, this may not be the end of the world, but it does have the symptoms of it

however, has the military been given that green light? or is it still full steam ahead to packed churches by easter?

I know at least in New York they've put up a number of field hospitals already and several forts in the region are committing more personnel and resources to it. The big concern is having enough beds and ventilators. If we can get those in enough numbers and keep up the lockdown for another couple weeks we'll largely be fine.

is shuttling people to other less burdened states for more ample treatment an option? i keep hearing ny's close to getting overwhelmed by the deluge of hospitalizations

[Washington Resistance Army]

I know at least in New York they've put up a number of field hospitals already and several forts in the region are committing more personnel and resources to it. The big concern is having enough beds and ventilators. If we can get those in enough numbers and keep up the lockdown for another couple weeks we'll largely be fine.

is shuttling people to other less burdened states for more ample treatment an option? i keep hearing ny's close to getting overwhelmed by the deluge of hospitalizations

It wouldn't be impossible I imagine, though at least in my eyes it would be easier to keep setting up temporary hospitals and moving supplies in instead of trying to move people out.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. We would need a significantly deadlier and virulent disease for that to happen.

[Cisairse]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. We would need a significantly deadlier and virulent disease for that to happen.

Yeah. Humans will be damned if we give away our society for a virus that isn't even airborne.

[Moscareinas]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. We would need a significantly deadlier and virulent disease for that to happen.

"Hi, you call me Yersinia pestis. You called?"

[Major-Tom]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

Spanish flu wiped out anywhere from 3-5% of the globe, more in Europe and North America. This was concurrent with WW1. And we persevered. Coronavirus will cause some societal upheavals in select countries for sure, but a societal collapse is laughable.

[Nakena]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. But it will lead to significant disruptions and issues. And by significant, I mean beyond what most of us have experienced in their lifetime so far.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

No. We would need a significantly deadlier and virulent disease for that to happen.

"Hi, you call me Yersinia pestis. You called?"

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

[The Lone Alliance]

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx

What a dumb world we live in, when Trump's approval goes UP from the shit he's pulled over Corona.

If Trump had really done the right thing, no one would have listened to him because he was Trump.

If Trump had told everyone to stay indoors and tried to lock down the country back in February or god forbid January everyone would have accused him of trying to sabotage the Democratic primary and half of the Resistance would be out in the streets in 1 million men marches simply to spite him.... and quite frankly I wouldn't blame them.

Let's face it, nothing Trump does can be seen in good faith even if he did somehow act in good faith.

And let's also face it, everyone on the planet, Trump included, did not prepare properly for this virus.
About the only nations that did prepare was South Korea and a few other Asian nations who are used to stuff like this.

Half of Europe clearly didn't prepare and what's their excuse, at least the US has the excuse that our president is an idiot, what's theirs?

[Nakena]

"Hi, you call me Yersinia pestis. You called?"

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

Bacterio-Phages are something science should finally looking into again. Right now only Poland and Georgia (the country) have some programs running with it.

[Major-Tom]

"Hi, you call me Yersinia pestis. You called?"

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

It's only alive at the seed bank in Svalbard, right? Not sure any of us could take that absolute beast on.

[Nakena]

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

It's only alive at the seed bank in Svalbard, right? Not sure any of us could take that absolute beast on.

Some variants of it are still showing up then and now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonic ... idemiology

[Albrenia]

We're a rather morbid bunch, aren't we? Discussing how a global pandemic could be worse at a time like this.

I'm among my people here.

[Nakena]

We're a rather morbid bunch, aren't we? Discussing how a global pandemic could be worse at a time like this.

I'm among my people here.

Because all we can do really now is wait in our homes that the curve flattens or... goes up really high, while being worried that some amongst us are already infected. After the initial shock and overhelming series of lockdowns of the first days this is the next phase.

And it wont be the last.

[Blakk Metal]

"Hi, you call me Yersinia pestis. You called?"

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

Unlikely, the plague does not primarily infect humans, so it has little reason to evolve antibiotics resistance.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Do you think this will lead to a societal collapse?

No. But it will lead to significant disruptions and issues. And by significant, I mean beyond what most of us have experienced in their lifetime so far.

I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.

I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.

[Nakena]

No. But it will lead to significant disruptions and issues. And by significant, I mean beyond what most of us have experienced in their lifetime so far.

I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.

I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.

I experienced 9/11 and it was a huge shock. Bigger than this one, since Covid came with announcement and it was slowly building up. Yet 9/11 didn had really an lasting impact on our actual lives, at least not most of us. More the kind of mental shock and before/after. This crisis is different. It affects everyone, its not something that can be - in doubt - tuned out by swapping the channel or closing the browser window.