YouTube drops mask, Mass Demonetizes right wing content

[Shrillland]

Including non-political channels that get flagged, like music and history channels?

I never said anything about non-political channels. What I meant by "it" was the right-wing channels, which are the topic of the discussion.

Context means everything.

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

[Amuaplye]

I never said anything about non-political channels. What I meant by "it" was the right-wing channels, which are the topic of the discussion.

Context means everything.

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

[Nakena]

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

Its giving them an incentive to produce more and more of their stuff. However, serious talking heads probably have their patreons anyways.

[Shrillland]

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

No, I never said they did. I'm just pointing out that this well-intentioned idea has caused a lot of trouble for people who aren't like that as well...albeit because of the general problems that come with depending on algorithms to do the work for you.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

Why shouldn't they? What right wing channels are you talking about?

Of which I am currently fascist

Don't worry, I'll probably change to National Capitalism in a few hours.

Why are you a Fascist though?

Well, I mean, they deserved it. It's against the rules to post hate speech. Which is probably exactly what they did.

Exactly what who did?

I guess the Founding Fathers weren’t American, then.

The founding fathers wanted to adopt a German style prohibition of hate speech?

The Music would depend on what it is (ISIS has recruitment songs on there at one point), but history is inherently political.

What are you getting at? I don't see how that's relevant unless you wish to posit that history channels that teach about Nazi Germany have a pro-Fascist agenda.

[The Alma Mater]

I never said anything about non-political channels. What I meant by "it" was the right-wing channels, which are the topic of the discussion.

Context means everything.

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

Indeed. As another example: youtube blocked and deleted the channel of the "regional archives Alkmaar" - a historical archive ran by local municipalities to preserve and share the history of the region. Which ofc includes World War 2; and is used for exhibtions and school history classes.

[Kowani]

I guess the Founding Fathers weren’t American, then.

The founding fathers wanted to adopt a German style prohibition of hate speech?

Wow, look at all that good point you just missed.

The Music would depend on what it is (ISIS has recruitment songs on there at one point), but history is inherently political.

What are you getting at? I don't see how that's relevant unless you wish to posit that history channels that teach about Nazi Germany have a pro-Fascist agenda.

They said “even apolitical channels like music and history ones.”
My point was that history is not and cannot be apolitical. Whatever you’re sputtering about Nazi Germany is completely irrelevant.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Wow, look at all that good point you just missed.

What was your point then?

My point was that history is not and cannot be apolitical. Whatever you’re sputtering about Nazi Germany is completely irrelevant.

Fair enough. But removing those history channels is still bad, right?

[Kowani]

Wow, look at all that good point you just missed.

What was your point then?

That taking things from Europe is not unamerican.

My point was that history is not and cannot be apolitical. Whatever you’re sputtering about Nazi Germany is completely irrelevant.

Fair enough. But removing those history channels is still bad, right?

I’m a nihilist, remember?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That taking things from Europe is not unamerican.

Fair enough.

I'm a nihilist, remember?

Yes, but surely you must have at least personal opinions about what's right and wrong?

[Cekoviu]

> Wanting to take a point from the Euros
> Wanting to take a point from Germany, out of all the Euros.

I get the feeling you're not really American.

I am American. I do work in Canada though. (I used to live in Bellingham, but I moved to Blaine during the past week, which is why I haven't been posting for a while.)

Bellingham, WA?

[Ifreann]

Oh, absolutely. One of the big problems with this purge, however, is that the YouTube algorithim is dropping and banning these types of symbols or films without any form of context whatsoever, not just shutting down those who are actively hateful but those who put such things in music and history channels for purely artistic or educational purposes.

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

I believe I read that Crowder's videos are monetised again since he took the "Socialism Is For F*gs" shirt off his store.

[Nilrahrarfan]

Of which I am currently fascist

Don't worry, I'll probably change to National Capitalism in a few hours.

Is ideofluid a gender? Because I think you're it

There are only two genders, but there are infinite ideologies. So no, it's not a gender, but yes, I AM ideofluid. I flip through right-wing ideologies. But no left-wing ideologies.

[Nilrahrarfan]

Doesn't mean that the right-wing channels deserve to be monetized again.

I believe I read that Crowder's videos are monetised again since he took the "Socialism Is For F*gs" shirt off his store.

Hey, at least there's that. Now, I can call Crowder's channel saving a success story of sorts.

[Ifreann]

Is ideofluid a gender? Because I think you're it

There are only two genders, but there are infinite ideologies. So no, it's not a gender, but yes, I AM ideofluid. I flip through right-wing ideologies. But no left-wing ideologies.

That's just fascism.

[Hurdergaryp]

There are only two genders, but there are infinite ideologies. So no, it's not a gender, but yes, I AM ideofluid. I flip through right-wing ideologies. But no left-wing ideologies.

That's just fascism.

And prancing through the various subdirectories like a pretty pony princess won't change it even a bit.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm not sure if the issue is youtube hating right-wing content as much as it's youtube using a silly algorithim as an uber-cautious method of keeping the advertisers happy. Obviously youtube is ruled by the advertisers as it's how it makes its money and doesn't give two fucks about the actual users, however we've known that for a very long time now.

[Ors Might]

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

As I've always said, I think the internet should be completely open. I don't think they should be doing this to right-wing content, but at least I'm consistent, I don't think they should be doing it to fundamentalist Islamic content either. However, sadly, advertisers cash trumps everything else for these companies.

[Ifreann]

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

That's not the real problem, though. The real problem is that while YouTube and Google drape themselves in rainbow flags for Pride month, their platforms are being used to promote anti-LGBT hatred, and they're letting it happen because it makes them big money.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

That's not the real problem, though. The real problem is that while YouTube and Google drape themselves in rainbow flags for Pride month, their platforms are being used to promote anti-LGBT hatred, and they're letting it happen because it makes them big money.

I remember when free speech was a left-wing issue, that was so nice, what happened?

[Valrifell]

That's not the real problem, though. The real problem is that while YouTube and Google drape themselves in rainbow flags for Pride month, their platforms are being used to promote anti-LGBT hatred, and they're letting it happen because it makes them big money.

I remember when free speech was a left-wing issue, that was so nice, what happened?

Y'all kept using it as an emotional crutch to non-arguments and everyone kinda got sick of it.

[The Emerald Legion]

Can’t we just come together and shit upon Youtube crappy algorithms and general demonetization policies?

That's not the real problem, though. The real problem is that while YouTube and Google drape themselves in rainbow flags for Pride month, their platforms are being used to promote anti-LGBT hatred, and they're letting it happen because it makes them big money.

Because they are platforms and the more they try to control the content the more liable they are for it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I remember when free speech was a left-wing issue, that was so nice, what happened?

Y'all kept using it as an emotional crutch to non-arguments and everyone kinda got sick of it.

The idea that people should be able to say what they feel without fear for their livelyhoods shouldn't be a difficult one.

[Ifreann]

That's not the real problem, though. The real problem is that while YouTube and Google drape themselves in rainbow flags for Pride month, their platforms are being used to promote anti-LGBT hatred, and they're letting it happen because it makes them big money.

I remember when free speech was a left-wing issue, that was so nice, what happened?

It is. But leftists generally understand that some speech effectively silences other people, and so that speech must be restricted to uphold the rights of those people it would silence.