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Postby Tahar Joblis » Fri May 18, 2012 10:17 pm

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Snoefsnuif wrote:I would advocate that rape be reclassified. In this country's legal system, it's a second-degree offense out of three degrees with maximum punishment a fine and five years in jail. I believe rapists sentence their victims to... well terrible things for the rest of their life, while the rapist escapes with only five years (theoretical maximum!) in prison. I can't imagine one'd have fond memories of being raped.

And those are the ones that were reported, and THEN get "guilty" in court, so it's a staggeringly low number in comparison to how much rape there is.
And then a lot of them get out early, for one reason or another. Put on parole, on good behavior, etc.
They don't get punished hard enough.

The weak link is reporting. Conviction conditional on reporting - in the US or UK - is fairly good for rape. The main thing keeping figures down is failure to report the crime. Early release is normal for all varieties of crime; it has a lot to do with prison overcrowding and the war on drugs. Most violent criminals released unexpectedly early can be laid at the feet of the War on Drugs, whose mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines have left much less room in jails for actual menaces to society.

In the UK, rape carries an average sentence longer than that of manslaughter. In the United States, this is also true. (This, by the way, may have something to do with the low rates at which rapists and murderers commit a new crime after having been convicted once; they're generally in there for a long time compared to other offenders.)

The justice system is not soft on rape in general, although there have been numerous local exceptions (e.g., Philadelphia circa 1970s-1980s). The cops may give you a hard time, and they may personally not all be paladins, but unless you recant your report or you happen to live in a particularly rotten jurisdiction, you should have faith that they will - as an organization - pursue the case with all the rigor available to them.

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Postby Katganistan » Fri May 18, 2012 10:33 pm

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Mm, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, in my case at least. That was not a human, that was a piece of shit. Him and his friends, and I firmly think that this isn't the first time they've done it. Everything was too well planned for it to be their first rodeo.

fully agree
What makes us human if not our empathy ?
Also,why should we just forgive people ? What do we gain ? I mean it is one to forgive a friend for a small offense but it is another when the one to be forgiven is either a friend who crossed you big (hence not a friend ) or a stranger who,again,crossed you big. It is quite natural for us to want to see them dead and I see no reason to forgive. It is in our interest to pursue maximum pain for the offender. Society tries to be fair but that is not in the interest of the victim. Indeed,if society forgives that doesn't mean the victim has to.

Not that it is going to be easy or happen any time soon, but the forgiving is not for the victimizer's well-being. Letting go of the hate is one of the steps toward healing for the person wronged.

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Postby Hammurab » Fri May 18, 2012 10:53 pm

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Postby Romania Mare1 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:57 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Romania Mare1 wrote:fully agree
What makes us human if not our empathy ?
Also,why should we just forgive people ? What do we gain ? I mean it is one to forgive a friend for a small offense but it is another when the one to be forgiven is either a friend who crossed you big (hence not a friend ) or a stranger who,again,crossed you big. It is quite natural for us to want to see them dead and I see no reason to forgive. It is in our interest to pursue maximum pain for the offender. Society tries to be fair but that is not in the interest of the victim. Indeed,if society forgives that doesn't mean the victim has to.

Not that it is going to be easy or happen any time soon, but the forgiving is not for the victimizer's well-being. Letting go of the hate is one of the steps toward healing for the person wronged.

maybe you see it as healing,I don't. I think one can heal and still hate the shit out of the monster who abused them like they weren't human

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Postby Yaltabaoth » Fri May 18, 2012 11:43 pm

Hammurab wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Not that it is going to be easy or happen any time soon, but the forgiving is not for the victimizer's well-being. Letting go of the hate is one of the steps toward healing for the person wronged.


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Postby Hammurab » Fri May 18, 2012 11:46 pm

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Normally I love your work Hammurab (and it's great to see you back), but please, not in this thread.


Right on, I'll go back and snip.
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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat May 19, 2012 12:39 am

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Romania Mare1 wrote:I doubt most rapists are either 40 or fat (not sure why,instinct I guess ). I imagine most to be young and quite well built

I thought a young well-built man would easily be able to have consensual sex, why them do it rather than a 40 yr old greasy fat guy who's probably extremely desperate?
Homosexy wrote:You can't stick rapists in a demographic. They come in all shapes and sizes and ages.

Can you explain why it wouldn't be a specific group of people who have more reason to rape others than other groups?


In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.

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Postby Creative Vikings » Sat May 19, 2012 12:40 am

What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 19, 2012 12:46 am

Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.


That is still rape, since it was forced by some party.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Sat May 19, 2012 12:47 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.


That is still rape, since it was forced by some party.

Well that sucks.

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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat May 19, 2012 12:48 am

Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.


I would call it rape, child abuse, and utterly despicable.

I am so very sorry that you suffered that experience.

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Postby Lackadaisical Hopes » Sat May 19, 2012 12:48 am

Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.

Sexual harassment?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 19, 2012 12:50 am

Yaltabaoth wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.


I would call it rape, child abuse, and utterly despicable.

I am so very sorry that you suffered that experience.


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Postby Creative Vikings » Sat May 19, 2012 12:56 am

Yaltabaoth wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.


I would call it rape, child abuse, and utterly despicable.

I am so very sorry that you suffered that experience.

Is it aq good thing I'm not too phased abou it? I mean, that dickhead died in a crash a couple years back, his own drunken fault of course.
Lackadaisical Hopes wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:What would you call it if two children were forced to copulate for the amusement of 18 year old?

Because I was one of those children, when I was 6.

Sexual harassment?

I usually assume that that is in word form.

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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat May 19, 2012 1:08 am

Creative Vikings wrote:
Yaltabaoth wrote:
I would call it rape, child abuse, and utterly despicable.

I am so very sorry that you suffered that experience.

Is it aq good thing I'm not too phased abou it? I mean, that dickhead died in a crash a couple years back, his own drunken fault of course.


Everyone deals with shit in their own way.

I think it is a good thing if that experience has passed for you and doesn't burden you now.

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Postby Creative Vikings » Sat May 19, 2012 1:11 am

Yaltabaoth wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:Is it aq good thing I'm not too phased abou it? I mean, that dickhead died in a crash a couple years back, his own drunken fault of course.


Everyone deals with shit in their own way.

I think it is a good thing if that experience has passed for you and doesn't burden you now.

It merely an occasional thorn deep in my memories now.

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Postby David Williams » Sat May 19, 2012 1:14 am

Yaltabaoth wrote:
David Williams wrote:I thought a young well-built man would easily be able to have consensual sex, why them do it rather than a 40 yr old greasy fat guy who's probably extremely desperate?

Can you explain why it wouldn't be a specific group of people who have more reason to rape others than other groups?


In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.

Well yeah, they can get away with the rape, but that isn't a reason they would want to do it. there has to be a good reason, otherwise they can always have consensual sex. Even if they wanted to "try someone new", the big bucks they earn could buy them unlimited prostitute's.
Why rape someone when it's illegal, for a small fraction of your money you can do it legally, or a small fraction of your time? I mean obviously going to jail would cost a lot more time/money.
I'm wanting to know what single factor there is that would make an ordinary everyday person want to commit a rape.
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Postby Galla- » Sat May 19, 2012 1:21 am

David Williams wrote:
Yaltabaoth wrote:
In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.

Well yeah, they can get away with the rape, but that isn't a reason they would want to do it.


Probably because they think they can get away with it.

That's generally the only justification a rapist would need.
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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat May 19, 2012 1:37 am

David Williams wrote:
Yaltabaoth wrote:
In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.

Well yeah, they can get away with the rape, but that isn't a reason they would want to do it. there has to be a good reason, otherwise they can always have consensual sex. Even if they wanted to "try someone new", the big bucks they earn could buy them unlimited prostitute's.
Why rape someone when it's illegal, for a small fraction of your money you can do it legally, or a small fraction of your time? I mean obviously going to jail would cost a lot more time/money.
I'm wanting to know what single factor there is that would make an ordinary everyday person want to commit a rape.


Rape is about having power over another person. And a person really has to believe that they have some kind of right to hold that power over another person before they'll actually act on it.

When a person steals, they (a) want something, (b) can't afford that thing, and (c) believe that they deserve to have that thing.

It's not the best analogy, but it's basically true about rape, especially (c) - in acting, a rapist has convinced themselves that they are somehow entitled to, or deserve, sexual access to another person.

Sure a privileged person could buy whatever they wanted, but they'll know it's not real.

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Postby Romania Mare1 » Sat May 19, 2012 1:51 am

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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Sun May 20, 2012 2:56 am

Yaltabaoth wrote:
David Williams wrote:I thought a young well-built man would easily be able to have consensual sex, why them do it rather than a 40 yr old greasy fat guy who's probably extremely desperate?

Can you explain why it wouldn't be a specific group of people who have more reason to rape others than other groups?


In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.
The part that I have bolded/underlined largely stems from the myth that rape is about sex/lust. For the most part, it's about power, control, violence, and rage.
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Postby Homosexy » Mon May 21, 2012 2:36 pm

Tonight will mark one month since it happened (which is awkward cuz today is also my birthday) and I just kind of wanted to say again that I'm super proud of everyone in here who came out and talked about their own experiences, and the community that's here. <3

Thanks so much you guyses.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon May 21, 2012 2:48 pm

Homosexy wrote:Tonight will mark one month since it happened (which is awkward cuz today is also my birthday) and I just kind of wanted to say again that I'm super proud of everyone in here who came out and talked about their own experiences, and the community that's here. <3

Thanks so much you guyses.

I hope you are starting to heal with all these kind words. Nothing like this has happened to me, and I hope it never will.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Mon May 21, 2012 3:11 pm

Homosexy wrote:Tonight will mark one month since it happened (which is awkward cuz today is also my birthday) and I just kind of wanted to say again that I'm super proud of everyone in here who came out and talked about their own experiences, and the community that's here. <3

Thanks so much you guyses.

Oh okay.

Well I hope my experience ceases it's nagging.

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Postby Gravlen » Mon May 21, 2012 3:13 pm

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:
Yaltabaoth wrote:
In Australia, there's a disturbingly high frequency of rape accusations against AFL (Aus Football League) players, pretty much all of whom are fit, handsome and incredibly popular young men.
They're practically Australian Royalty, the way they're indulged and fawned over.

Why would they commit rape? Because they can. Because they're likely to get away with it, due to their prestige and the wealth and privilege that goes with being a "sporting hero".
Because they are so heavily invested in that the legal resources they can muster in defense of a rape charge will far outweigh anything the victim can possibly hope to bring to court.
And because they have been taught to believe that they deserve to get whatever they want, but only if they have the will to take it for themselves.

The stereotypical idea that a rapist is a sad old unloved loser is another part of the problem, because it makes people less likely to believe an accusation against a popular figure.
The part that I have bolded/underlined largely stems from the myth that rape is about sex/lust. For the most part, it's about power, control, violence, and rage.

It's not exactly a myth. Rape can be about sex/lust. It doesn't have to be, but you can't say it never is about sex/lust.
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