Gun Control 2023 - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Juansonia]

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

You'd say the same about mayors and permit evaluators, right? Right?

edit: Some laws overrule others. The constitution, as is, overrules every other law as applied to American Jurisdiction. If the legislature is unwilling to follow the law, they have no business legislating.

[Grinning Dragon]

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

“A Law repugnant to the Constitution is void.” - Marbury v. Madison (1803)

[Grinning Dragon]

Lots of sand in vagina moments are probably happening right now within the doj and batfe(arbf)
BREAKING: Fifth Circuit Issues Injunction on ATF Pistol Stabilizing Brace Ban

Minutes ago, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a preliminary injunction (Link to preliminary injunction) against the DOJ’s and ATF’s unconstitutional attack on firearms equipped with a pistol stabilizing brace. The lawsuit, brought by the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) and other plaintiffs, paid off with this injunction just days before ATF’s mandatory registration “grace period” that was set to expire on the 31st.

Then again, language in this preliminary injunction might mean it applies only to the named plaintiffs . . . “…Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal is GRANTED as to the Plaintiffs in this case.” I’m no lawyer, nor do I generally play one on the internet, so I don’t know if that’s standard language or if it does actually restriction the injunction to these particular plaintiffs. Stay tuned, because we’re speaking with folks in the know and we’ll update this story shortly with more information as it becomes available.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What's wrong with the sheriffs telling the state to go pound sand and ignoring the law?

If you’re not going to follow the laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election you have no business being sheriff.

This, from the person who, in another thread, wants to violate the planning and zoning laws passed by the legislature elected in a free and fair election.

Not very consistent, are you?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Lots of sand in vagina moments are probably happening right now within the doj and batfe(arbf)
BREAKING: Fifth Circuit Issues Injunction on ATF Pistol Stabilizing Brace Ban

Minutes ago, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a preliminary injunction (Link to preliminary injunction) against the DOJ’s and ATF’s unconstitutional attack on firearms equipped with a pistol stabilizing brace. The lawsuit, brought by the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) and other plaintiffs, paid off with this injunction just days before ATF’s mandatory registration “grace period” that was set to expire on the 31st.

Then again, language in this preliminary injunction might mean it applies only to the named plaintiffs . . . “…Preliminary Injunction Pending Appeal is GRANTED as to the Plaintiffs in this case.” I’m no lawyer, nor do I generally play one on the internet, so I don’t know if that’s standard language or if it does actually restriction the injunction to these particular plaintiffs. Stay tuned, because we’re speaking with folks in the know and we’ll update this story shortly with more information as it becomes available.

I just heard about that from the Guntubers (Guns and Gadgets).

[Grinning Dragon]

Lots of sand in vagina moments are probably happening right now within the doj and batfe(arbf)
BREAKING: Fifth Circuit Issues Injunction on ATF Pistol Stabilizing Brace Ban

I just heard about that from the Guntubers (Guns and Gadgets).

There's another one in the US District court for the district of North Dakota Western division.
That one is brought on by the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition Inc. and joining them are the following states.
West Virginia
North Dakota
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
New Hampshire
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Last but not least; Wyoming

This one should be the next one to drop a ruling and we've been thinking this court might have been waiting on what the 5th circuit was going to rule and I think in this one this is where these states are going for the whole ball of wax and have the court issue a full injunction.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I just heard about that from the Guntubers (Guns and Gadgets).

There's another one in the US District court for the district of North Dakota Western division.
That one is brought on by the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition Inc. and joining them are the following states.
West Virginia
North Dakota
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
New Hampshire
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Last but not least; Wyoming

This one should be the next one to drop a ruling and we've been thinking this court might have been waiting on what the 5th circuit was going to rule and I think in this one this is where these states are going for the whole ball of wax and have the court issue a full injunction.

That would be awesome. Not that I have a pistol brace, but I still vehemently disagree with the ATF rule. Especially since they gave authorization for it a decade ago, and now with millions in circulation, they're changing their minds.

[Grinning Dragon]

There's another one in the US District court for the district of North Dakota Western division.
That one is brought on by the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition Inc. and joining them are the following states.
West Virginia
North Dakota
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
New Hampshire
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Last but not least; Wyoming

This one should be the next one to drop a ruling and we've been thinking this court might have been waiting on what the 5th circuit was going to rule and I think in this one this is where these states are going for the whole ball of wax and have the court issue a full injunction.

That would be awesome. Not that I have a pistol brace, but I still vehemently disagree with the ATF rule. Especially since they gave authorization for it a decade ago, and now with millions in circulation, they're changing their minds.

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

[San Lumen]

That would be awesome. Not that I have a pistol brace, but I still vehemently disagree with the ATF rule. Especially since they gave authorization for it a decade ago, and now with millions in circulation, they're changing their minds.

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

[Arval Va]

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

You've said this before. Please, we all know this won't convince them. Save everyone the trouble.

[Dylar]

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

i mean yeah. an ideal society would reinstitute peoples' rights as soon as they are discharged from a mental health clinic or released from prison after demonstrating that they are fit to be reintegrated into society. otherwise, why would they be let out of such places to begin with?

[Tarsonis]

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

You won't trust them with a gun, but you'll trust them to vote?

[Paddy O Fernature]

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

You won't trust them with a gun, but you'll trust them to vote?

"A vote has never hurt anyone before, unlike yer stupid pieces of metal!!!!!!" - Lumen, most likely.

[Juansonia]

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

And how is that a bad thing?

[Paddy O Fernature]

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

And how is that a bad thing?

It scares Lumen.

[Grinning Dragon]

This along with the unlawful frames and receivers bullshit is coming from the guy that hates the lil people having a 2nd Amendment, if it weren't for his babysitters he probably doesn't even know whats going on.

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

Why should someone who did their time not be allowed the most effective means to protect themselves? Are they not worthy of self defense? If that person is so dangerous why release them then? Do any of the current anti gun bullshit laws prevent any criminal from getting a firearm? The other question that needs to be asked, what if that person went to prison for a non violent crime and why should they be lumped in with those who were violent?
Mental health issues is a broad topic, care to pare it down?

[American Legionaries]

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

You've said this before. Please, we all know this won't convince them. Save everyone the trouble.

I mean, it convinced me that GD is a good person.

[Paddy O Fernature]

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

Why should someone who did their time not be allowed the most effective means to protect themselves? Are they not worthy of self defense? If that person is so dangerous why release them then? Do any of the current anti gun bullshit laws prevent any criminal from getting a firearm? The other question that needs to be asked, what if that person went to prison for a non violent crime and why should the be lumped in with those who were violent?
Mental health issues is a broad topic, care to pare it down?

Already know the answer but ill state it anyway...

I'll go one step further and ask the question of why is it that commonly proposed AG laws only target law abiding citizens who have committed zero crimes for punishment and not target criminals like they should?

[Grinning Dragon]

Why should someone who did their time not be allowed the most effective means to protect themselves? Are they not worthy of self defense? If that person is so dangerous why release them then? Do any of the current anti gun bullshit laws prevent any criminal from getting a firearm? The other question that needs to be asked, what if that person went to prison for a non violent crime and why should the be lumped in with those who were violent?
Mental health issues is a broad topic, care to pare it down?

Already know the answer but ill state it anyway...

I'll go one step further and ask the question of why is it that commonly proposed AG laws only target law abiding citizens who have committed zero crimes for punishment and not target criminals like they should?

It's easier to create a whole new class of criminals than to deal with current crop of criminals and generate money for the prison system/state and the overall hatred of individuals daring to exercise an enumerated negative right that should only be reserved for the affluent. As stated before, gun control isn't about safety, it's about control of the populace as if were chattel

[Grinning Dragon]

Here we have blumenthal & murphy being their usual dumb and dumber dipshit selves and have decided to introduce a bill to strip firearm manufacturers of their 1st Amendment rights, so much for "congress shall make no law"
Blumenthal, Murphy introduce bill targeting gun makers' advertising

“The gun industry uses irresponsible marketing tactics – even targeting kids with ads for lethal weapons – to sell as many firearms as possible because their sole focus is maximizing profits. This legislation takes a step toward holding firearm manufacturers and sellers accountable for their dangerous advertising practices,” said Murphy.

Duh, you dumbass, that's the point of advertising. As to targeting kids; well there is a youth firearm market that coincides with youth shooting sports.
So all in all, it's just marketing and what these two are doing is basically unconstitutional.

Then we have the KGB FBI going full retard and basically considering everyone who is for the 2nd Amendment, individual rights, etc a possible "Militia Violent Extremist (MVE)."
Ooo, scary.
Leaked Documents Show FBI’s Definition of a Militia Violent Extremist is YOU!
Fuck the FBI, time to defund it.

Last but not least, the Louisiana house passed their version of a permitless constitutional conceal carry bill with veto proof majority.
Veto-proof majority in Louisiana House approves constitutional carry
I do enjoy the emotional pleas some of these dipshits blather.

Rep. Mandie Landry, D-New Orleans, began her comments by reminding lawmakers Wednesday is the one-year anniversary of the Uvalde shooting and called on her colleagues to address gun violence.

What does that have to do with anything? Who gives a shit. So no laws restoring 2nd Amendment rights shouldn't be brought up because of a tragedy? Dumb fucking cunt.

[American Legionaries]

Here we have blumenthal & murphy being their usual dumb and dumber dipshit selves and have decided to introduce a bill to strip firearm manufacturers of their 1st Amendment rights, so much for "congress shall make no law"
Blumenthal, Murphy introduce bill targeting gun makers' advertising

“The gun industry uses irresponsible marketing tactics – even targeting kids with ads for lethal weapons – to sell as many firearms as possible because their sole focus is maximizing profits. This legislation takes a step toward holding firearm manufacturers and sellers accountable for their dangerous advertising practices,” said Murphy.

Duh, you dumbass, that's the point of advertising. As to targeting kids; well there is a youth firearm market that coincides with youth shooting sports.
So all in all, it's just marketing and what these two are doing is basically unconstitutional.

Then we have the KGB FBI going full retard and basically considering everyone who is for the 2nd Amendment, individual rights, etc a possible "Militia Violent Extremist (MVE)."
Ooo, scary.
Leaked Documents Show FBI’s Definition of a Militia Violent Extremist is YOU!
Fuck the FBI, time to defund it.

Last but not least, the Louisiana house passed their version of a permitless constitutional conceal carry bill with veto proof majority.
Veto-proof majority in Louisiana House approves constitutional carry
I do enjoy the emotional pleas some of these dipshits blather.

Rep. Mandie Landry, D-New Orleans, began her comments by reminding lawmakers Wednesday is the one-year anniversary of the Uvalde shooting and called on her colleagues to address gun violence.

What does that have to do with anything? Who gives a shit. So no laws restoring 2nd Amendment rights shouldn't be brought up because of a tragedy? Dumb fucking cunt.

The FBI thing is old, but that doesn't make it any less awful.

[Tarsonis]

Here we have blumenthal & murphy being their usual dumb and dumber dipshit selves and have decided to introduce a bill to strip firearm manufacturers of their 1st Amendment rights, so much for "congress shall make no law"
Blumenthal, Murphy introduce bill targeting gun makers' advertising

“The gun industry uses irresponsible marketing tactics – even targeting kids with ads for lethal weapons – to sell as many firearms as possible because their sole focus is maximizing profits. This legislation takes a step toward holding firearm manufacturers and sellers accountable for their dangerous advertising practices,” said Murphy.

Duh, you dumbass, that's the point of advertising. As to targeting kids; well there is a youth firearm market that coincides with youth shooting sports.
So all in all, it's just marketing and what these two are doing is basically unconstitutional.

Then we have the KGB FBI going full retard and basically considering everyone who is for the 2nd Amendment, individual rights, etc a possible "Militia Violent Extremist (MVE)."
Ooo, scary.
Leaked Documents Show FBI’s Definition of a Militia Violent Extremist is YOU!
Fuck the FBI, time to defund it.

Last but not least, the Louisiana house passed their version of a permitless constitutional conceal carry bill with veto proof majority.
Veto-proof majority in Louisiana House approves constitutional carry
I do enjoy the emotional pleas some of these dipshits blather.

Rep. Mandie Landry, D-New Orleans, began her comments by reminding lawmakers Wednesday is the one-year anniversary of the Uvalde shooting and called on her colleagues to address gun violence.

What does that have to do with anything? Who gives a shit. So no laws restoring 2nd Amendment rights shouldn't be brought up because of a tragedy? Dumb fucking cunt.

Forgive me, but I'm gonna have to side with the FBI on this one.

For one, "Ammoland" isn't exactly an unbiased source, so I can't really trust their characterization of the FBI's notes.

secondly, the FBI isn't saying anyone who has these monikers/decals/etc are dyed in the will fascists, they're noting these are used by members of extremist groups. Just like Proud Boys and Oathkeepers likes to fly the Gadsden Flag. Is everyone who flies the flag a card carrying member? No. But we should still note that is a flag those groups like to use.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

You won't trust them with a gun, but you'll trust them to vote?

"A vote has never hurt anyone before, unlike yer stupid pieces of metal!!!!!!" - Lumen, most likely.

Aren't most guns used in crimes stolen?

Most criminals are not going to use a gun that they personally brought. Even if no gun control laws existed, there would still be a record of the transaction, and a criminal would not want that.

[Grinning Dragon]

"A vote has never hurt anyone before, unlike yer stupid pieces of metal!!!!!!" - Lumen, most likely.

Aren't most guns used in crimes stolen?

Most criminals are not going to use a gun that they personally brought. Even if no gun control laws existed, there would still be a record of the transaction, and a criminal would not want that.

Theft, followed up with straw purchases.
Then there is the shitty part of where some locales will charge the owner of said firearm, if said stolen firearm was used in a crime. Nothing like being punished for being a victim of a crime.

[Kernen]

You want zero gun laws whatsoever. If someone with a criminal record or mental health issues walked into a gun shop they should be allowed to buy a gun no questions asked.

You've said this before. Please, we all know this won't convince them. Save everyone the trouble.

Of course it won't, we don't believe rights should be lessened without due process or curtailed after debts to society are paid.