American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Shrillland]

Instead of raising wages to end the "labor shortage," Ohio lawmakers have an idea: Expand child labor at the detriment of their education

We actually don't need to have the government mandate wages increases here. Either wages will increase on their own as companies seek to attract workers or businesses will continue to bleed money in an exceedingly stupid game of chicken in the hopes that labor becomes a buyer's market again. It's almost better for companies to realize this on their own since it might force them to reconsider a lot of their cultures.

You left out the third possibility, the jobs are all automated and the workers are eliminated from the equation completely.

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

Reservations have a lot of power in terms of who gets to live on them. You cannot just move in willy nilly.

Yeah, I'm a bit curious about the answer here as well. Because open borders means the effective gradual erasure of several cultures and ethnic groups and is actually contrary to the stated goals of several national emanicipation movements - such as those belonging to the Palestinians and the Uyghurs.

It would destroy the entire basis of indigenous self-governance and autonomy over their own culture and land. It would be a killing blow on many nations and basically just finish off the destruction of numerous indigenous peoples.

[Punished UMN]

He's talking about non-reservation people being able to move onto reservation land or not.

Either way, there is no legal right to immigrate, state sovereignty is the foundation of all international law, and part of that is a state being able to decide what crosses its borders.

For the sake of argument, what would you think if every single country in the world except for, let's say Uzbekistan, unified into a single state. Does that state still have a sovereign rigbt to control its borders by not ever letting anybody out of Uzbekistan, and in such a case, is Uzbekistan not more a prison than a country?

It is completely legal for countries not to allow emigration as well.

[Fahran]

It would destroy the entire basis of indigenous self-governance and autonomy over their own culture and land. It would be a killing blow on many nations and basically just finish off the destruction of numerous indigenous peoples.

Essentially, yes. It would give indigenous populations two serious choices, supposing no other policies were adopted. They could assume a position at the bottom of America's racial and ethnic hierarchy or they could assimilate completely.

[Fahran]

You left out the third possibility, the jobs are all automated and the workers are eliminated from the equation completely.

If automation is cost effective, it's going to happen regardless. At that point, people need to learn new trades and/or find work that automation can't completely replace. Not automating really isn't an option if we want to remain globally competitive.

[Umeria]

You left out the third possibility, the jobs are all automated and the workers are eliminated from the equation completely.

If automation is cost effective, it's going to happen regardless. At that point, people need to learn new trades and/or find work that automation can't completely replace. Not automating really isn't an option if we want to remain globally competitive.

What if there aren't enough jobs to fill the gap? What happens to the unemployed?

[The Alma Mater]

If automation is cost effective, it's going to happen regardless. At that point, people need to learn new trades and/or find work that automation can't completely replace. Not automating really isn't an option if we want to remain globally competitive.

What if there aren't enough jobs to fill the gap? What happens to the unemployed?

That depends on the society. Societies that implemented ubi will do fine..Others probably less so.

[Fahran]

What if there aren't enough jobs to fill the gap? What happens to the unemployed?

We're nowhere near that point nationally at present, and, really, I'm skeptical that we'll find ourselves in that situation in the next twenty or thirty years given automation doesn't really work that way in most jobs. It's usually employed more as a way to help employees become even more productive. In point of fact, unemployment isn't especially high at the moment and businesses are stating that they need more employees to function properly. I doubt they can completely automate. Even grocery stores and fast food chains can't completely automate and remain productive.

[Umeria]

What if there aren't enough jobs to fill the gap? What happens to the unemployed?

We're nowhere near that point nationally at present, and, really, I'm skeptical that we'll find ourselves in that situation in the next twenty or thirty years given automation doesn't really work that way in most jobs. It's usually employed more as a way to help employees become even more productive. In point of fact, unemployment isn't especially high at the moment and businesses are stating that they need more employees to function properly. I doubt they can completely automate. Even grocery stores and fast food chains can't completely automate and remain productive.

That's good news, but it doesn't change the fact that if, for whatever reason, a job shortage did occur, "finding new work" isn't as easy as it sounds.

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

They could assume a position at the bottom of America's racial and ethnic hierarchy

Tbf that is already the case.

[Maricarland]

For the sake of argument, what would you think if every single country in the world except for, let's say Uzbekistan, unified into a single state. Does that state still have a sovereign rigbt to control its borders by not ever letting anybody out of Uzbekistan, and in such a case, is Uzbekistan not more a prison than a country?

If a country wants to prevent emigration to a particular country, or even visit it, they actually have the right to do so. This is why the travel bans placed on Israel by various countries are not illegal.

Just more examples of how states are oppressive and should not exist, but if they do exist we should have open borders (meaning we allow the unlimited legal entry and exit for all people across borders at official customs, checkpoints, and entrances, for the purposes of migration, temporary or permanent residence, seeking citizenship, travel, visit, work, and so on...).

[Fahran]

They could assume a position at the bottom of America's racial and ethnic hierarchy

Tbf that is already the case.

True. They're the group least likely to obtain an education and most likely to be shot and killed by the police from what I've read.

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[Fahran]

Just more examples of how states are oppressive and should not exist,

The alternatives proposed to states have pretty much been uniformly worse in a lot of the key metrics people tend to care about when organizing their societies and public policy.

but if they do exist we should have open borders (meaning we allow the unlimited entry and exit for all people across borders at official customs, checkpoints, and entrances, for the purposes of migration, temporary or permanent residence, seeking citizenship, travel, work, and so on...).

Why? It honestly sounds like you support this a priori.

[Relden]

Just more examples of how states are oppressive and should not exist

But, if states didn't exist, people would be looting and raping.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Texas House of Representatives declares the state is exempt from the 14th Amendment and thus can declare same-gender marriages invalid within its borders.

Texas House is a bunch of smoothbrains who don’t know what the words “No State shall…” mean, more news at 11.

[Ifreann]

Texas House of Representatives declares the state is exempt from the 14th Amendment and thus can declare same-gender marriages invalid within its borders.

Texas House is a bunch of smoothbrains who don’t know what the words “No State shall…” mean, more news at 11.

They know perfectly well. But pretending otherwise will win them the support of homophobes.

[Relden]

Texas House of Representatives declares the state is exempt from the 14th Amendment and thus can declare same-gender marriages invalid within its borders.

Three cheers for Texas. Well done Texas.

[Fahran]

Texas House of Representatives declares the state is exempt from the 14th Amendment and thus can declare same-gender marriages invalid within its borders.

Three cheers for Texas. Well done Texas.

Please don't encourage them. They're wasting their time and our dollars by doing nonsense like this.

[Relden]

Please don't encourage them. They're wasting their time and our dollars by doing nonsense like this.

They aren't. They're promoting morals.

[Port Caverton]

Please don't encourage them. They're wasting their time and our dollars by doing nonsense like this.

They aren't. They're promoting morals.

Nope, they're just wasting taxpayers money.

[Punished UMN]

Please don't encourage them. They're wasting their time and our dollars by doing nonsense like this.

They aren't. They're promoting morals.

Don't you support a self-admitted whoremonger?

[Fahran]

They aren't. They're promoting morals.

They're really not. They could have spent their time fixing the issues we have with our power grid so that old folks don't die by the dozens the next time we have to deal with an extreme winter storm or heat wave. They could have addressed a lot of the familial and drug problems Texas is having. They're virtue-signalling about something that the SCOTUS will ultimately tell them they can't do.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Citing an example where people were forced to move?

He's talking about non-reservation people being able to move onto reservation land or not.

Either way, there is no legal right to immigrate, state sovereignty is the foundation of all international law, and part of that is a state being able to decide what crosses its borders.

Then why give me shit for being a American civic nationalist? You'd jump on me for believing in it and defending the concept of an American nation, while defending the rights of other nations to do even unjust things.

[Relden]

Nope, they're just wasting taxpayers money.

No, they aren't. Taxpayers would approve of this.

Then why give me shit for being a American civic nationalist?

Civic nationalism is hardly nationalism at all.

It's as bad as being a centrist, or a principled conservative.

[Vassenor]

Please don't encourage them. They're wasting their time and our dollars by doing nonsense like this.

They aren't. They're promoting morals.

Morals such as what?