American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Kilobugya]

Okay, what do you think should be the appropriate punishment for those that stormed the Capitol and do you think they can be rehabilitated? If so, how?

The only "appropriate punishment" for a crime is the one that prevents occurrence of the crime in the future. That's only real justification for punishing someone. And that means it's more important to ensure the guilty are caught and punished, even if with a relatively light sentence.

As for being rehabilitated, sure, it's possible. Most of those who stormed the Capitol were fed with lies and hatred. They actually believed there was massive fraud. Some will realize how wrong and tricked they were, through many different process and events. It's not that easy, but it's definitely possible.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Okay, what do you think should be the appropriate punishment for those that stormed the Capitol and do you think they can be rehabilitated? If so, how?

The only "appropriate punishment" for a crime is the one that prevents occurrence of the crime in the future. That's only real justification for punishing someone. And that means it's more important to ensure the guilty are caught and punished, even if with a relatively light sentence.

As for being rehabilitated, sure, it's possible. Most of those who stormed the Capitol were fed with lies and hatred. They actually believed there was massive fraud. Some will realize how wrong and tricked they were, through many different process and events. It's not that easy, but it's definitely possible.

Na these people will never walk back their beliefs or admit they were wrong. They're still insisting the evidence is either already out there or that it's going to come out "soon". They live in another world and cannot be reasoned with.

[Senkaku]

The only "appropriate punishment" for a crime is the one that prevents occurrence of the crime in the future. That's only real justification for punishing someone. And that means it's more important to ensure the guilty are caught and punished, even if with a relatively light sentence.

As for being rehabilitated, sure, it's possible. Most of those who stormed the Capitol were fed with lies and hatred. They actually believed there was massive fraud. Some will realize how wrong and tricked they were, through many different process and events. It's not that easy, but it's definitely possible.

Na these people will never walk back their beliefs or admit they were wrong. They're still insisting the evidence is either already out there or that it's going to come out "soon". They live in another world and cannot be reasoned with.

Re-education, but unironically and non-threateningly!

Although in this case, I think it’s less re-education and more just... education. But I think there is at this point enough evidence of our information ecosystem’s toxicity to make it possible to say there’s a genuine need for programs that are dedicated to changing people’s worldviews and ideological outlooks, not in the old sense of insane commie/fashie indoctrination, but just like... teaching people what atoms are and how the political system works. Yes, these people live in another reality and can’t be reasoned with in normal circumstances, but if they’re in jail for participating in a coup attempt, they’re sort of a captive audience. People have worked out how to de-radicalize nutjobs of other ideological persuasions and break through misinformation, I’m sure it could be accomplished if there were the political will.

[Kilobugya]

Re-education, but unironically and non-threateningly!

Although in this case, I think it’s less re-education and more just... education. But I think there is at this point enough evidence of our information ecosystem’s toxicity to make it possible to say there’s a genuine need for programs that are dedicated to changing people’s worldviews and ideological outlooks, not in the old sense of insane commie/fashie indoctrination, but just like... teaching people what atoms are and how the political system works. Yes, these people live in another reality and can’t be reasoned with in normal circumstances, but if they’re in jail for participating in a coup attempt, they’re sort of a captive audience.

Indeed. I'm not sure how efficient it would be, since AFAIK it has never been tried, but I would approach it through a fundamental education, rationality / epistemology road. Not directly try to say them that Trump lost. But teaching them the scientific methods, the basis of epistemology, what is Occam's Razor and how to use Bayes' Theorem. And then, once they have the fundamental intellectual tools, start with slightly higher level, on psychology, cognitive bias, the working of social networks and information bubbles.

Without ever speaking about Trump or politics, at all.

If you've people in prison for a few years for their participation in a crime, and you reward attendance to the program with a shorter sentence, I've the feel it can work - maybe not on all of them, but at least on many.

[Corrian]

So how many states you think are gonna screw over people by removing federal unemployment benefits like Montana and South Carolina?

[Kowani]

Amazon delivery drivers around the US are being ordered to quietly dismantle a driver safety system and drive dangerously to meet delivery quotas

Amazon delivery companies around the United States are encouraging reckless and dangerous driving by ordering delivery drivers to shut off an app called Mentor that Amazon uses to monitor drivers' speed and give them a safety score to prevent accidents. Drivers say they are being ordered to turn the app off by their bosses so that they can speed through their delivery routes in order to hit Amazon's delivery targets. "Sign out of Mentor if you haven't already," an dispatcher at an Amazon delivery company texted a delivery driver at DDT2, an Amazon warehouse in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan a little after noon on a day in March, according to a screenshot obtained by Motherboard. This was less than five hours into his 10-hour shift.

"Starting tomorrow everyone needs to be logged into Mentor for at least 2 hours no more no less, so make sure that's one of the first things we're doing in the mornings," a dispatcher at DAT2, an Amazon delivery station in the suburbs of Atlanta told drivers who work 10-hour shifts in a group chat in May 2020.

Mentor is a smartphone app made by a company called eDriving, which partners with Amazon to monitor the driving behaviors of delivery drivers at Amazon Delivery Service Partners, which are quasi-independent companies who are contracted by Amazon to deliver packages in Amazon-branded vans. Using sensors in a driver's smartphone, Mentor collects information about a driver's acceleration, braking, cornering, and speeding. It also detects "phone distraction" based on how much a driver is using their phone outside of the Mentor app. It then gives drivers a "FICO Safe Driving Score" in order to "objectively measure how safe a driver is." Amazon ties driver bonuses to several metrics, including a delivery worker's driving score.

Motherboard spoke to Amazon delivery drivers in New York, Texas, Michigan, Tennessee, and Georgia who say their delivery companies have ordered them to log off the app, turn on airplane mode, or shut off their phones in the middle of their shifts to prevent the Mentor app from collecting data about their driving over the past year. Five drivers we spoke to said that they were asked to keep the Mentor app on for at a few hours of their shift and then to turn it off, ostensibly because Amazon or eDriving would have a harder time detecting anything was wrong if the app was on for at least part of a shift.

These drivers say their bosses, who own Delivery Service Partner companies are demanding they turn off the app so that drivers can drive recklessly to hit Amazon quotas without being detected by Mentor and Amazon. The drivers feel they are being threatened and pressured to break traffic laws and risk their own safety while delivering Amazon packages. Though they're employed by contractors, Amazon delivery drivers are subject to Amazon's delivery route algorithms and productivity targets.

"Speeding was the main thing. They were harsh on drivers that weren’t going as fast as they wanted," a former driver at the delivery station in Romulus, Michigan who quit in late April, told Motherboard. "I complied when they asked me to turn off the app because I didn't want to cause friction. But it was a lot of stress, high blood pressure, seething anger and frustration."

“This behavior is unacceptable and does not adhere to the safety standards that we expect of all Delivery Service Partners," Rena Lunak, a spokesperson for Amazon told Motherboard. "It’s also misleading to suggest that this behavior is necessary – in fact, more than 90% of all drivers are able to complete their deliveries before the scheduled time while following all safety procedures.”

Ed Dubens, the founder and CEO of eDriving declined to comment. Dubens' FICO Safe Driving Score of 766 is in his email signature; Amazon's "basic expectation for a successful [delivery driver] is an 800+ FICO score, delivering your route in 10 hours or less, and all other metrics that go into weekly consideration of a 'fantastic driver,'" a message from an Amazon delivery company to drivers viewed by Motherboard stated.

Amazon knows this work is dangerous—and has strategically placed the liability for its drivers on the small delivery companies, who employ the drivers. Amazon has more than 1,300 delivery companies worldwide that employ hundreds of thousands of drivers. Drivers have reportedly been beaten, bitten, carjacked, robbed, shot, on the job. Under pressure from Amazon and their contractors to work quickly, drivers have died in accidents and killed and maimed other drivers, passengers, and pedestrians, including a nine month year old baby.

By getting drivers to turn off the Mentor app, Amazon's delivery companies—small contractors which are paid by Amazon to facilitate package delivery around the United States—can push drivers to circumvent Amazon's strict driving rules intended to prevent accidents in turn raising stats that can increase revenue in a cutthroat landscape where many delivery companies are barely scraping by, and get paid per package delivered on time in addition to bonuses that are earned through efficient, safe driving recorded by the Mentor app.

"The issue here is Amazon does not compensate delivery companies fairly for what they're asking us to do. Everything is done on a shoestring budget," the owner of an Amazon delivery company near Seattle, Washington, told Motherboard. "Companies that tell their drivers to turn off the app are trying to get a perfect score so they can get their incentives. In my opinion, this is not ethical."

Amazon delivery drivers are asked to deliver upwards of 400 packages a day on grueling 10-hour shifts under pressure from contractors who earn extra revenue from Amazon when their drivers deliver packages quickly and efficiently. Amazon adds an additional revenue per package delivered, in addition to bonuses that can be pocketed by delivery companies or distributed to drivers at their discretion. These bonuses are only offered if drivers' stats on the Mentor app collectively average to above 800 on a 100-850 scale.

Because of these bonuses, drivers say their companies ask them to drive a few hours or a couple stops, while minding their speed and braking, so that the app registers a high score, and then turn off the app for the rest of their shift. A pattern of low Mentor scores can potentially jeopardize a company's access to routes from Amazon, according to Amazon drivers and an Amazon delivery company owner.

"Our dispatcher told us after three or four hours you can turn Mentor off, and sign off, because when the thing with Mentor is when it's on, it's regulating things," an Amazon delivery driver who works at DNA1, an Amazon delivery station in Nashville Tennessee, told Motherboard. "People are driving slower and following traffic laws and rules Amazon wants us to follow, turning off vans, putting on hazards, wearing seatbelts."

"Once it's turned off there's no tracking of speed, how fast you're taking corners," he continued.

"I turned off the app around lunch everyday," a 23-year-old former Amazon driver in Rosemead, California, who quit in April told Motherboard. "I would be constantly stressed, worried all the time about making my quotas."

After Motherboard asked for comment for this story, at least one delivery station announced a pay increase to delivery drivers and said that it would no longer use driving scores as a bonus metric, in a message to drivers obtained by Motherboard.

The driver who worked at DDT1, the warehouse in Romulus, Michigan until late April, was only halfway through his 10-hour shift, which began at 7:20am when he received a text message from his dispatcher at the contractor called Prime Presence that said "We sign out of Mentor at 11am everyday." Amazon requires that drivers remain logged into the Mentor app throughout their 10-hour routes.

The driver frequently received text messages from the dispatcher at Prime Presence, which operates out of the Amazon warehouse in Romulus, Michigan, demanding he complete his routes faster, according to screenshots obtained by Motherboard. "Gotta pick up the pace man," "FYI this route should not take you until 5," text messages from the dispatcher to the driver from March and April, reviewed by Motherboard said. These jobs are advertised online as 10-hour driving shifts, but the driver in Michigan said he was under constant pressure to finish in seven hours. Motherboard granted the driver anonymity because he feared retaliation.

Prime Presence did not return Motherboard’s calls for comment.

Two Amazon delivery drivers also told Motherboard that their delivery companies told them not to record damages, maintenance, or safety issues with their Amazon vans into the app during a daily vehicle inspection, because Amazon would ground those vehicles, but to report issues to the delivery service partner directly.

"My vehicle had a damaged roof, rain leaked inside, the side door was broken for months. It also needed an oil change and tire pressure was low, but we weren't allowed to report anything, because Amazon would ground the van, and that's one less route that delivery company would have," Leonard Hodges, a former Amazon delivery driver at the warehouse DHO4 in Houston, Texas who quit in early 2020, told Motherboard.

Motherboard reviewed a text message where Hodges complained about his right turn signal for his van going out. "Ok don't put it on e-Mentor... I will change it by morning," his manager responded.

Some Amazon delivery drivers say they turn off the Mentor app during their routes because driving in a way that would lead to a high Mentor score while completing their quotas for the day is nearly impossible. Drivers say the app is also full of glitches, for example, it often marks the jostling of a phone as "distracted driving." On the Apple Store, Mentor has a one star rating out of five stars, and on Reddit, Amazon delivery drivers have posted about "the best way to cheat Mentor."

"The app itself is so problematic," a former Amazon delivery driver in Buffalo, New York, who quit in May told Motherboard. "I’ve gotten hit with phone distractions when I’ve never touched the phone. It’s almost impossible to keep a good score. The app is terrible. "

"It's really a catch-22 situation," she continued. "Either you turn the app off so you can deliver faster or you leave it on and deliver slower and don't get your bonuses."

[Shrillland]

Re-education, but unironically and non-threateningly!

Although in this case, I think it’s less re-education and more just... education. But I think there is at this point enough evidence of our information ecosystem’s toxicity to make it possible to say there’s a genuine need for programs that are dedicated to changing people’s worldviews and ideological outlooks, not in the old sense of insane commie/fashie indoctrination, but just like... teaching people what atoms are and how the political system works. Yes, these people live in another reality and can’t be reasoned with in normal circumstances, but if they’re in jail for participating in a coup attempt, they’re sort of a captive audience.

Indeed. I'm not sure how efficient it would be, since AFAIK it has never been tried, but I would approach it through a fundamental education, rationality / epistemology road. Not directly try to say them that Trump lost. But teaching them the scientific methods, the basis of epistemology, what is Occam's Razor and how to use Bayes' Theorem. And then, once they have the fundamental intellectual tools, start with slightly higher level, on psychology, cognitive bias, the working of social networks and information bubbles.

Without ever speaking about Trump or politics, at all.

If you've people in prison for a few years for their participation in a crime, and you reward attendance to the program with a shorter sentence, I've the feel it can work - maybe not on all of them, but at least on many.

It actually is done, but not quite in this way. South Korea has a similar re-education programme for North Korean refugees, where they teach them how things are really going on in the world.

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That they should keep it fortified indefinitely, but said in a way like its because "We will attack again".

Not going to happen. The Capitol Storm was only possible to a numbers of circumstances that wont be likely to be present for a second time.

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

[Gravlen]

When a defense attorney for fellow alleged rioter Anthony Antonio said his client had “Fox-itus” and “Fox-mania” after watching Fox News for months under lockdown while recently unemployed — and that he began to believe the programming spread by Fox News and Trump — Copeland took great offense and let all of the participants know it.

“I would like to object!” Copeland screamed. “That’s not pertinent!”

Not guilty by reason of insanity watching too much Fox News

[Kilobugya]

When a defense attorney for fellow alleged rioter Anthony Antonio said his client had “Fox-itus” and “Fox-mania” after watching Fox News for months under lockdown while recently unemployed — and that he began to believe the programming spread by Fox News and Trump — Copeland took great offense and let all of the participants know it.

“I would like to object!” Copeland screamed. “That’s not pertinent!”

Not guilty by reason of insanity watching too much Fox News

I wouldn't say that warrants a "no guilty" verdict, but I would count it as mitigating circumstances - but that also means Fox News should be held accountable for their responsibility in the tragedy.

[Shrillland]

Overnight, Texas House prepares to pass new round of voting limits stricter than either Florida or Georgia

Hours after Florida installed a rash of new voting restrictions, the Republican-led Legislature in Texas pressed ahead on Thursday with its own far-reaching bill that would make it one of the most difficult states in the nation in which to cast a ballot.

The Texas bill would, among other restrictions, greatly empower partisan poll watchers, prohibit election officials from mailing out absentee ballot applications and impose strict punishments for those who provide assistance outside the lines of what is permissible.

After a lengthy debate that lasted into the early morning hours on Friday, the State House of Representatives passed the measure in a 81-64 vote, largely along party lines, at about 3 a.m., following a flurry of amendments that had been spurred by Democratic protests and a Democratic procedural move known as a point of order.

The new amendments softened some of the initial new penalties proposed for those who run afoul of the rules and added that the police could be called to remove unruly partisan poll watchers. Other amendments added by Democrats sought to expand ballot access, including with changes to ballot layout and with voter registration at high schools. But those amendments could be knocked off by a potential conference committee.

The bill will soon head to the Republican-controlled Senate following a third reading in the House. Gov. Greg Abbott has been supportive of the current voting bills in the legislature.

Briscoe Cain, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said he had filed it “to ensure that we have an equal and uniform application of our election code and to protect people from being taken advantage of.”

He was quickly challenged by Jessica González, a Democratic representative and vice chair of the House Election Committee, who argued that the bill was a solution in search of problem. She cited testimony in which the Texas secretary of state said that the 2020 election had been found to be “free, fair and secure.”

After the early-morning vote, Sarah Labowitz, policy and advocacy director of the A.C.L.U. of Texas, said in a statement, “Under cover of darkness, the Texas House just passed one of the worst anti-voting bills in the country.” She added, “Texans deserve better than to wake up and find out that lawmakers jammed through a law that will make participating in our democracy harder and scarier.”

Florida and Texas are critical Republican-led battleground states with booming populations and 70 Electoral College votes between them. The new measures the legislatures are putting in place represent the apex of the current Republican effort to roll back access to voting across the country following the loss of the White House amid historic turnout in the 2020 election.

Earlier on Thursday, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, with great fanfare, signed his state’s new voting bill, which passed last week. Held at a Palm Beach hotel with cheering supporters in the background, the ceremony showcased Mr. DeSantis’s brash style; the governor’s office barred most journalists and provided exclusive access to Fox News, a nose-thumbing gesture of contempt toward a news media he viewed as overly critical of the bill.

“Right now, I have what we think is the strongest election integrity measures in the country,” Mr. DeSantis said, though he has praised Florida’s handling of last November’s elections.

Ohio, another state under complete Republican control, introduced a new omnibus voting bill on Thursday that would further limit drop boxes in the state, limit ballot collection processes and reduce early in-person voting by one day, while also making improvements to access such as an online absentee ballot request portal and automatic registration at motor vehicle offices.

Iowa and Georgia have already passed bills that not only impose new restrictions but grant those states’ legislatures greater control over the electoral process.

Republicans have pressed forward with these bills over the protests of countless Democrats, civil rights groups, faith leaders, voting rights groups and multinational corporations, displaying an increasing no-apologies aggressiveness in rolling back access to voting.

The efforts come as Republicans in Washington are seeking to oust Representative Liz Cheney from her leadership position in the House Republican caucus for her continued rejection of former President Donald J. Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, and as Republicans at a party convention in Utah booed Senator Mitt Romney for his criticism of the former president.

Together, the Republican actions reflect how deeply the party has embraced the so-called Big Lie espoused by Mr. Trump through his claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

Democrats, gerrymandered into statehouse minorities and having drastically underperformed expectations in recent state legislative elections, have few options for resisting the Republican efforts to make voting harder.

In Georgia and Texas, progressive groups applied pressure on local businesses to speak out against the voting measures. But Republican legislators have been conditioned during the Trump era to pay less attention to their traditional benefactors in chambers of commerce and more attention to the party’s grass roots, who are aligned with the former president and adhere to his lies about the 2020 election.

And in Florida, Democrats didn’t even manage to organize major local companies to weigh in on the voting law.

“Elections have consequences both ways, and we are living in the consequences of the Trumpiest governor in America here in Florida,” said Sean Shaw, a former state representative who was the 2018 Democratic nominee for Florida attorney general. “The ultimate strategy is, what are we going to do in 2022? How are we going to beat the dude?”

Mr. Shaw, who offered an extended laugh when first asked what his party’s strategy was for combating Florida’s new voting law, said he was planning to start a campaign this month to place referendums on the state’s 2022 ballots for constitutional amendments that would make voting easier.

“We are not Mississippi or Alabama,” he said. “We are not that kind of conservative state, but we are governed by this mini-Trump person. All we can do as Democrats is let the people know what they’ve got.”

Marc Elias, a Democratic lawyer, filed a lawsuit nine minutes after Mr. DeSantis had signed the legislation, saying that the new Florida law violated the First and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

“It’s not true that states could not change their voting laws whenever they want,” Mr. Elias said in an interview Thursday. “You have to weigh the burden on the voter with the interest of the state.”

Tom Perez, the former Democratic National Committee chairman, said a case could be made that the new voting laws would improperly make it harder for Black and Hispanic people to vote, and he called on the U.S. Justice Department to take the lead in the legal battle against the Republican-passed laws.

“Ten years ago when I was running the Civil Rights Division, the Georgia law would never have seen the light of day,” Mr. Perez said Thursday. “The Justice Department needs to get involved, and having the imprimatur of the Justice Department sends a really important message about our values.”

Mr. Biden’s nominee to lead the Civil Rights Division, Kristen Clarke, had a Senate hearing last month but has not yet been confirmed. Mr. Biden said in March, after the Georgia law had been signed by Gov. Brian Kemp, that the Justice Department was “taking a look” at how best to protect voting rights. A White House official said that the president, in his comments, had been assuming the issue was one the department would review.

Democrats argued on Thursday that the Republican crackdowns on voting in Florida and Texas had made it more urgent for the Senate to pass the For the People Act, which would radically reshape the way elections are run, make far-reaching changes to campaign finance laws and redistricting and mitigate the new state laws.

“We are witnessing a concerted effort across this country to spread voter suppression,” Jena Griswald, the Colorado secretary of state, said Thursday on a call with progressive groups in which the new Florida lw was condemned. “The For the People Act levels the playing field and provides clear guidance, a floor of what is expected throughout the nation.”

The scene in Austin on Thursday was tense, as Republicans in the House decided to replace the language of a bill that passed the senate, known as SB 7, with the language of a House voting bill, known as HB 6. The swap removed some of the more onerous restrictions that had originally been proposed, like banning drive-through voting, banning 24-hour voting and adding limitations on voting machine allocation that could have led to a reduction of polling locations in densely populated areas.

But the bill before the House included a host of new restrictions. It bans election officials from proactively mailing out absentee ballot applications or absentee ballots; sets strict new rules for assisting voters and greatly raises the punishment for running afoul of those rules; greatly empowers partisan poll watchers; and makes it much harder to remove a partisan poll watcher for bad behavior. The expansion of the authority and autonomy of partisan poll watchers has raised voter intimidation concerns among civil rights groups.

In the debate Thursday evening, Mr. Cain, the sponsor of the House bill, was unable to cite a single instance of voter fraud in Texas. (The attorney general found 16 instances of minor voting fraud after 22,000 hours of investigation.)

Democratic lawmakers also seized on Texas’ history of discriminatory voting legislation and likened the current bill to the some of the state’s racist electoral practices of the past.

“In light of that history, can you tell me if or why you did not do a racial impact analysis on how this legislation would affect people of color?” said Rafael Anchía, a Democratic representative from Dallas County.

Mr. Cain admitted that he had not consulted with the attorney general’s office or conducted a study of how the bill might affect people of color, but he defended the bill and said it would not have a discriminatory impact.

Technically, it was the second reading that passed, but the final vote's expected to be similar.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That they should keep it fortified indefinitely, but said in a way like its because "We will attack again".

Not going to happen. The Capitol Storm was only possible to a numbers of circumstances that wont be likely to be present for a second time.

I could totally see the Trump fans trying to do it again.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If your centrism keeps the nation in such a poor state that people will turn to socialism or a bizarre North Korean-esque personality cult then yeah kinda.

No, it’s outside and foreign forces that are propagating and influencing the division. The COVID-19 expedited this partisanship and division.

It may be hard to accept but the rest of the world doesn’t share this misanthropy commonly on political forums.

The rest of the world is economically to the left of this country my guy. Also it isnt outside "foreign forces," thats literally some Joseph McCarthy type crap.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So how many states you think are gonna screw over people by removing federal unemployment benefits like Montana and South Carolina?

All of them. Virtually all of them, even democratic run ones.

[Zurkerx]

FEC has dropped its investigation into Trump hush money payments.

Also, Arizona Republicans plan on brushing off the DOJ's concerns about election audit. These people are full blown on "fabricating their motivative"; the DOJ is probably going to have to interfere sooner than later.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

FEC has dropped its investigation into Trump hush money payments.

Also, Arizona Republicans plan on brushing off the DOJ's concerns about election audit. These people are full blown on "fabricating their motivative"; the DOJ is probably going to have to interfere sooner than later.

I see justice will not be dome today.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

500 (alleged) terrorists have been arrested by the FBI. More to come.

[Zurkerx]

Governor Kemp could be in trouble: An internal poll by Vernon Jones, a former Democrat challenging Kemp for the GOP Gubernatorial Nomination, shows tight GOP primary for Georgia governor. Within in that poll, Kemp leads with 39% to Vernon's 35%. ut it shows Vernon has room to grow, and that Trump has quite the sway. I'll put some of the questions and their results:

Twenty-six percent of respondents said they are still undecided in the race, and overall, 55 percent said they are open to considering another candidate, compared to 35 percent who are committed to backing Kemp’s reelection in 2022.

Eighty-seven percent of GOP primary voters reported a favorable opinion of the former president, nearly twice as many as the 45 percent who said they have a favorable view of Kemp. Presented with a hypothetical endorsement from Trump, the poll shows Jones pulling ahead of Kemp, at 38 percent to 36 percent.

Here are two questions now (look how the first is worded):

Are you more/less likely to vote for Kemp?

1. Brian Kemp sided with Stacey Abrams and refused to investigate the 2020 Presidential Election Results.

More likely: 18%: Less Likely: 57%; No Difference: 25%

Donald Trump has openly called on someone to primary Brian Kemp in the 2022 Republican Primary for Governor. Donald Trump knows Brian Kemp cannot be trusted.

More likely: 19%; Less likely: 54%; No difference: 27%

While internal polls should be questioned by candidates themselves putting it out there; he certainly added some manipulation here, I do feel Kemp is somewhat vulnerable, especially since he didn't fully push Trump's conspiracy theories. With Trump's grip on the party tightening and the party nearly (if not) fully the "Trump Party", we could see his vengeance as he seeks loyalists against more established figures. Vernon is not well-known as of right now, but if he were to secure an endorsement from Trump, it would help him, especially since the election is a year away.

You can see that poll here.

[San Lumen]

Governor Kemp could be in trouble: An internal poll by Vernon Jones, a former Democrat challenging Kemp for the GOP Gubernatorial Nomination, shows tight GOP primary for Georgia governor. Within in that poll, Kemp leads with 39% to Vernon's 35%. ut it shows Vernon has room to grow, and that Trump has quite the sway. I'll put some of the questions and their results:

Twenty-six percent of respondents said they are still undecided in the race, and overall, 55 percent said they are open to considering another candidate, compared to 35 percent who are committed to backing Kemp’s reelection in 2022.

Eighty-seven percent of GOP primary voters reported a favorable opinion of the former president, nearly twice as many as the 45 percent who said they have a favorable view of Kemp. Presented with a hypothetical endorsement from Trump, the poll shows Jones pulling ahead of Kemp, at 38 percent to 36 percent.

Here are two questions now (look how the first is worded):

Are you more/less likely to vote for Kemp?

1. Brian Kemp sided with Stacey Abrams and refused to investigate the 2020 Presidential Election Results.

More likely: 18%: Less Likely: 57%; No Difference: 25%

Donald Trump has openly called on someone to primary Brian Kemp in the 2022 Republican Primary for Governor. Donald Trump knows Brian Kemp cannot be trusted.

More likely: 19%; Less likely: 54%; No difference: 27%

While internal polls should be questioned by candidates themselves putting it out there; he certainly added some manipulation here, I do feel Kemp is somewhat vulnerable, especially since he didn't fully push Trump's conspiracy theories. With Trump's grip on the party tightening and the party nearly (if not) fully the "Trump Party", we could see his vengeance as he seeks loyalists against more established figures. Vernon is not well-known as of right now, but if he were to secure an endorsement from Trump, it would help him, especially since the election is a year away.

You can see that poll here.

If Jones wins the nomination the general will be very competitive and Abrams likely has a slight advantage.

[Zurkerx]

FEC has dropped its investigation into Trump hush money payments.

Also, Arizona Republicans plan on brushing off the DOJ's concerns about election audit. These people are full blown on "fabricating their motivative"; the DOJ is probably going to have to interfere sooner than later.

I see justice will not be dome today.

It's a huge disappointment, especially considering how Cohen even admitted it was hush money. The FEC is broken- the only way forward now is for the DOJ to do something. Speaking of them, I do feel they'll intervene in the Arizona Case: I'm pretty sure this "audit" will be breaking many laws.

If Jones wins the nomination the general will be very competitive and Abrams likely has a slight advantage.

It was going to be a competitive race as is though Kemp would have the slight advantage. If he were to lose a chance at a second term, however, I do feel Abrams chances improve greatly, especially since someone like Jones would scare moderates and people living in the suburbs. It may even help Warnock so I can bet Democrats are hoping Trump endorses some nut-cases to challenge them.

[San Lumen]

I see justice will not be dome today.

It's a huge disappointment, especially considering how Cohen even admitted it was hush money. The FEC is broken- the only way forward now is for the DOJ to do something. Speaking of them, I do feel they'll intervene in the Arizona Case: I'm pretty sure this "audit" will be breaking many laws.

If Jones wins the nomination the general will be very competitive and Abrams likely has a slight advantage.

It was going to be a competitive race as is though Kemp would have the slight advantage. If he were to lose a chance at a second term, however, I do feel Abrams chances improve greatly, especially since someone like Jones would scare moderates and people living in the suburbs. It may even help Warnock so I can bet Democrats are hoping Trump endorses some nut-cases to challenge them.

I would be very surprised if Trump doesn’t endorse Jones.

[Ifreann]

Get the changes you want.

How, exactly?

Your local politicians will just change state, federal, and international economic policy. Once socialists control two thirds of your county board, the stage will be set for global revolution. The hour is at hand comrade, we just need your vote.

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no, no, no
the obvious solution is genetically modifying the grass
because why would we reduce production on anything when we can just build increasingly complex ecological wunderwaffen?

tfw we've literally become Hitler in the bunker

Any day now Steiner and his wunderwaffe will stave off climate collapse

We just need to use the Sun Gun, which is already in orbit, to redirect the sun's light away from Earth, thus matching global cooling to global warming.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Not going to happen. The Capitol Storm was only possible to a numbers of circumstances that wont be likely to be present for a second time.

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad. The only slightly better thing is that the socialists would likely try to oppress everyone equally.

[Ifreann]

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad.

Yes, that's correct.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad. The only slightly better thing is that the socialists would likely try to oppress everyone equally.

No. No it is not ok if either of them do it.