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Kowani wrote:Biden looks to extend Trump sentencing guidelines

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION is expected to announce support this week for the temporary extension of a Trump-era policy expanding mandatory minimum sentencing to cover a range of fentanyl-related substances. More than 100 civil rights, public health, and criminal justice advocacy groups sent a letter last week urging Congress and President Joe Biden to oppose any extension of the Trump policy.

The administration can’t extend the policy without congressional action, which it is expected to support during a Wednesday hearing on substance use before the House Energy and Commerce Committee, according to two groups on the letter and several Democratic aides. The aides note that the administration will likely request additional time to explore the policy’s ramifications and has not yet decided whether it will adopt a full extension. [...]THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION started classwide scheduling of fentanyl analogues in 2018. The policy put a wide range of substances with a chemical structure similar to fentanyl on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, expanding the application of mandatory minimum sentencing laws to all fentanyl analogues. “But chemical structure alone cannot predict how a drug will affect the human brain,” the letter claims, citing a neurobiologist’s testimony before the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security, “and not all fentanyl analogues are harmful.”

The Trump policy, set to expire in May, gives the Drug Enforcement Administration unlimited power to determine the legality of substances while cutting scientists and public health experts out of the conversation. This limits their ability to study certain prohibited drugs, which can prove crucial for developing therapies. Spokespersons from the Justice Department “repeatedly, erroneously, have claimed that failure to enact class-wide scheduling would ‘legalize’ harmful fentanyl analogues,” the letter continues, citing a Washington Post op-ed by former Attorney General Bill Barr with the title, “Fentanyl could flood the country unless Congress passes this bill.” The sale of fentanyl analogues can be prosecuted whether or not they are scheduled, and the policy imposes harsher sentences for possession.

According to a report by the United States Sentencing Commission, prosecution of federal fentanyl offenses increased by close to 4,000 percent between 2015 and 2019, and prosecution of fentanyl analogues increased by well over 5,000 percent since 2016. As the letter points out, those prosecutions involved significant racial disparities, “with people of color comprising almost 75% of those sentenced in fentanyl cases in 2019.” The same was true of sentencing for fentanyl analogues, with people of color comprising 68 percent of people sentenced.


The smart people were the ones that heard Biden apologize for the crime bill and didnt take it automatically as a genuine apology.
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Teachers need to be armed, also armed security guards and metal detectors.


Yes that's the solution. More guns. Why don't we just make gun ownership mandatory?


Because that’s what I said. :roll: It’s called security, you have to keep kids safe without violating our 2nd amendment rights.

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Munchers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes that's the solution. More guns. Why don't we just make gun ownership mandatory?


Because that’s what I said. :roll: It’s called security, you have to keep kids safe without violating our 2nd amendment rights.


And that's going to solve schools shootings how? Why has nowhere done this if the solution is so simple?

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Munchers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes that's the solution. More guns. Why don't we just make gun ownership mandatory?


Because that’s what I said. :roll: It’s called security, you have to keep kids safe without violating our 2nd amendment rights.


Banning guns in a school doesn't violate second amendment rights. Armed security is fine but I don't think teachers should be armed.
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In 2016 we predicted an Ivanka Trump - Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson show down for the 2024 elections...

..The professional wrestler turned star actor Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson said on Monday that he would run for US president if he felt he had enough support from Americans.

Johnson, 48, one of the highest-paid and most popular actors in the United States, has been flirting with a possible White House bid for several years.

“I do have that goal to unite our country and I also feel that if this is what the people want, then I will do that,” Johnson said when asked about his presidential ambitions in an interview broadcast on the Today show on Monday.


We're halfway there..
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Postby Picairn » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:15 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Really? It's fucking paywalled.

What does the article say? All I see is "subscribe to Washington Post to read this article."

Like what Zurk said, it's a fuckton of words, and I nope'd myself out of copying when I saw the interactive charts. Best you can do is try Incognito mode, or install a Paywall Blocker extension on your computer.

But here's a chart breaking down terrorist incidents by year that I took on my WaPo app:
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:17 pm

Picairn wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Really? It's fucking paywalled.

What does the article say? All I see is "subscribe to Washington Post to read this article."

Like what Zurk said, it's a fuckton of words, and I nope'd myself out of copying when I saw the interactive charts. Best you can do is try Incognito mode, or install a Paywall Blocker extension on your computer.

But here's a chart breaking down terrorist incidents by year that I took on my WaPo app:
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I'm curious as to how many fatalities there were.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:19 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I'm curious as to how many fatalities there were.

Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:19 pm

Picairn wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I'm curious as to how many fatalities there were.

Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.


19 compared to 91. What was that again about AnTiFa?
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That is downright scary that hes endorsing that. Shame on him. hes not even dogwhistle. That's a bullhorn.
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God we're so fucked. Where the hell am I going to move before all this starts to really hit the fan?
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:59 pm

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I knew it was Tucker before I even clicked the link.


The problem is that it's self-serving, he claims people are shut down for openly talking about this agenda and then..

The head of the Anti-Defamation League has called for Fox News to fire Tucker Carlson, after the primetime host said immigration would “dilute the political power” of Americans.

Carlson was referring to “white replacement”, a racist theory that has been cited as a motivation in deadly attacks.

Two days earlier, Greenblatt wrote in an open letter to Fox that Carlson’s “rhetoric was not just a dog whistle to racists – it was a bullhorn”. He also cited previous instances in which Carlson has used anti-migrant rhetoric, including arguing that immigration makes the US “poorer and dirtier” and questioning whether white-supremacist ideology exists.


He should be called out, but his supporters will simply see this as proof of what he's saying.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:12 pm

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MTG doesn't have enough support in the House to pose a serious risk to the Republican numbers (current Congress) and every time she opens her mouth she further discredits the Trumpists, Qanon etc. Republicans should see her as a Useful Idiot!

You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:16 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Cannis Fabulous wrote:
MTG doesn't have enough support in the House to pose a serious risk to the Republican numbers (current Congress) and every time she opens her mouth she further discredits the Trumpists, Qanon etc. Republicans should see her as a Useful Idiot!

You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


True that. She won't be as easy to get rid of as King or even Gosar. Her brand is the future at least for the time being, a future where Q has replaced Christ as their saviour and prophet.
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Postby Madrinpoor » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:19 pm

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Senkaku wrote:You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


True that. She won't be as easy to get rid of as King or even Gosar. Her brand is the future at least for the time being, a future where Q has replaced Christ as their saviour and prophet.

Until the generations that worship Q die off of covid from resisting masks
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:19 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Cannis Fabulous wrote:
MTG doesn't have enough support in the House to pose a serious risk to the Republican numbers (current Congress) and every time she opens her mouth she further discredits the Trumpists, Qanon etc. Republicans should see her as a Useful Idiot!

You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


This is a complete tangent, but instead of "Trumpists" we called them "Trumpets"?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


This is a complete tangent, but instead of "Trumpists" we called them "Trumpets"?


That could be a nickname, I guess, but Trumpist would likely be the official name for this particular ideological brand as Trumpism is distinct from traditional free-market Conservatism.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:26 pm

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Senkaku wrote:You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


*shrug* All the less reason for Georgia to redistrict her out.

Also Trumpists weren't in control of the party on Jan 6, has something changed since then?

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:42 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Am I talking to you through that dimensional portal thingy from the Man In The High Castle TV adaptation?


She's their best fundraiser? OK, that's a substantial contribution, but ultimately strengthens my point "why would they?"

Trumpests are in control of the Republican party? No, I don't think they are. They have substantial leverage, representing a widened base as they do, but the same could be said of the Tea Party 2010. Their leverage did not amount to "control" did it? Also, Jan 6. Republican Congress people COULD have overturned the Electoral College result, as Trump wanted, but barely a handful even tried.

Okay, well, in the timeline I live in, they launched a coup attempt and got away with it and are still in the party, the man himself can call McConnell (who's functionally the party's leader in DC atm) "a dumb son of a bitch" and barely catch any flak for it from his fellow party members and he's gearing up to primary a bunch of his internal enemies, the entire far-right media ecosystem remains at his disposal and is in fact continuing to radicalize (see Tucker's Great Replacement rants), and every 2024 contender is treading on eggshells trying to avoid alienating him and his base whether or not he runs. That every member of the caucus is not yet so personally loyal to him that they'll collaborate with an unconstitutional coup attempt during a pandemic in defiance of their own senses does not mean that Trump and his allies are not in control of the party, inasmuch as anyone can ever be said to be "in control" of any political party.

Anyways, tell me more about this fun timeline you live in where the Tea Party wasn't just the latest wave of a long-term trend towards increasingly radical actors hijacking the party, and where Trump is just another politician with some leverage and a limited constituency jockeying for control. It sounds fun!
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:15 pm

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Okay, well, in the timeline I live in, they launched a coup attempt and got away with it and are still in the party, the man himself can call McConnell (who's functionally the party's leader in DC atm) "a dumb son of a bitch" and barely catch any flak for it from his fellow party members and he's gearing up to primary a bunch of his internal enemies, the entire far-right media ecosystem remains at his disposal and is in fact continuing to radicalize (see Tucker's Great Replacement rants), and every 2024 contender is treading on eggshells trying to avoid alienating him and his base whether or not he runs. That every member of the caucus is not yet so personally loyal to him that they'll collaborate with an unconstitutional coup attempt during a pandemic in defiance of their own senses does not mean that Trump and his allies are not in control of the party, inasmuch as anyone can ever be said to be "in control" of any political party.

Anyways, tell me more about this fun timeline you live in where the Tea Party wasn't just the latest wave of a long-term trend towards increasingly radical actors hijacking the party, and where Trump is just another politician with some leverage and a limited constituency jockeying for control. It sounds fun!


So much melodrama. If the Jan 6 Putsch had succeeded, Trump would be President now.

Yes, that's why I described it as an "attempt," but thanks for making sure we're on the same page.
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lmao what

literally all I've done is point out that he is in fact not some marginalized figure who's lost control of the party and all you can say is "but he doesn't have TOTAL control of the party!"

which like yeah, gold star for you, American parties don't work like democratic centralist vanguard organizations, leaders never exert that level of absolute control and factionalism is rampant (both Obama and Trump had members of their parties buck them while they were in office on some stuff), but I don't think that's a super useful observation in this context
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Rita Ali now leads by 35 votes in the election for Peoria Mayor.

Jim Montelongo's campaign is crying foul, saying state election procedures aren't being properly followed in the handling of mail-in ballots. Through an attorney, Montelongo claimed that ballots haven't been properly segregated by days of receipt, so it's impossible to tell which days they came in.

That matters as Election Commission head Tom Bride has said there were some mail-in ballots that came in late on April 6 but weren't counted until April 8. Montelongo's campaign says that's not proper procedure.

Illinois does not have automatic recounts but after results are certified the losing candidate can request a "discovery" recount that re-tallies the votes from up to one-quarter of precincts.

That wouldn't change the result of the race itself. It's the equivalent of a fact-finding effort -- if any discrepancies are uncovered from the original count, they can be used to challenge the race's result in court.

It is possible we might not know the outcome of this election even after the result is certified April 20th.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:50 pm

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Senkaku wrote:You do realize that the Trumpists are the ones in control of the party and that she's proven to be their best fundraiser, right?


*shrug* All the less reason for Georgia to redistrict her out.

Also Trumpists weren't in control of the party on Jan 6, has something changed since then?


They were in control then and are in control now. The GOP has been trump's party since 2016.
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