The Polska Electoral Polka(A Polish Election Thread)

[Shrillland]

The polls close in just under six hours, 21:00 CEST, 15:00 EDT...and I may be absent for the initial exit polls, in fact I probably will be. I will be here later on though.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Wiosna beacuse PiS is extremist trash.

[Forumland]

to give an idea of what daily life is like, here are the prices of various foods in Poland

pistachios are more expensive than I expected...

The polls close in just under six hours, 21:00 CEST, 15:00 EDT...and I may be absent for the initial exit polls, in fact I probably will be. I will be here later on though.

honestly you should just post this instead

[Forumland]

The official results page is here.

the Ipsos exit poll shows PiS at 239 seats which is down on what they showed in 2015 (PiS at 242)

To prevent a repeat of 2015 where the SLD coalition was locked out because of the 8% coalition threshold, everyone is running theoretically as a single party (except for KO, but they'll make it in anyway), so keep that in mind.

[Shrillland]

Still a majority, but not a big one, so they can't go roll over things like the constitution. Better than I thought it would be.

[Dresderstan]

Honestly I kind of expected more from this election. With a 16 point lead I would have expected PiS to make big gains.

[Forumland]

Still a majority, but not a big one, so they can't go roll over things like the constitution. Better than I thought it would be.

It is a Polish poll, so I'd brace myself for inaccuracies anyway even if it was broadly accurate in 2015.

Honestly I kind of expected more from this election. With a 16 point lead I would have expected PiS to make big gains.

That's because the SLD alliance is projected to enter the Sejm after it was shut out in 2015.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Hopefully they get a majority, they've been doing an astounding job with sound economic policies. All of the ""centrist"" parties have debt-fueled plans while Konfederacja is a libertarian joke. Amazingly they're fueling private market wage growth and huge government spending growth despite tax cuts and debt falling as a portion of the economy every year, a stellar performance -- and that growth doesn't seem to be stopping anytime soon, though it will inevitably slow down. And all of this done despite EU money freefalling, not that EU money has ever made up more than 5% of the budget anyway.

In just four years PiS has brought Poland from wages just slightly below Portugal and Greece to roughly equivalent of Belgium/Austria/Italy when adjusted for prices, so anyone who doesn't understand why voters would want to keep them is a bit dull. Polish minimum wages are now equivalent to Israel and United States, and despite this, wage growth is speeding up, inflation is controllable and below 2.5% target and the labour market continues to tighten as there's more jobs than unemployed people.

Having been in Poland last week, I didn't see a single non-PiS banner in people's homes, except in Krakow but *even there* in the second largest city, PiS was by far far most dominant. It's also amazing to see the transformation of the country, and as a yearly visitor you can see how quickly things change visually. For example, cars. In just four years cars on the road turned out from an average of 10 year old Peugeots to 5 year old Mercs. You hear adverts for Maserati on RMF FM and you see adverts for luxury items being torn down because they're bought faster than they are imported or produced. Schools around the country are expanding and being rebuilt to modernise them, and despite EU funds for road infrastructure running out, there seems to be more roadworks for new roads than ever before, especially for local roads and expressways.

For their next government they are promising to rebuild hospitals after finishing schools, and increasing the minimum wage from American to West European levels, with 4000zl a month by 2022, which will be around the same minimum wage as the Netherlands. That's even more economically leftist than the Left Alliance, who proposed 3500 by the same year and no raises for pensioners despite large tax increases to fund fuck knows what other than punish the wealthy for being wealthy with their plan to uncap social contribution taxes.

In short, they are guaranteed to win tomorrow's election. The question is whether they will be able to run the country as their own coalition again (as PiS is actually a party made up of 3 parties) or will they have to link up with the libertarian Konfederacia or worse the Polish Coalition (agrarians, mildly centrist)

Their social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about LGBT rights when wages are rising 10% a year?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The official results page is here.

the Ipsos exit poll shows PiS at 239 seats which is down on what they showed in 2015 (PiS at 242)

To prevent a repeat of 2015 where the SLD coalition was locked out because of the 8% coalition threshold, everyone is running theoretically as a single party (except for KO, but they'll make it in anyway), so keep that in mind.

Atleast they lost some seats. Next Polish election hope they get even less seats.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Their social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about LGBT rights when wages are rising 10% a year?

1930s NSDAP version:
"Their political and social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about democracy and human rights when the German economy is rapidly recovering year by year? "

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The official results page is here.

the Ipsos exit poll shows PiS at 239 seats which is down on what they showed in 2015 (PiS at 242)

To prevent a repeat of 2015 where the SLD coalition was locked out because of the 8% coalition threshold, everyone is running theoretically as a single party (except for KO, but they'll make it in anyway), so keep that in mind.

Atleast they lost some seats. Next Polish election hope they get even less seats.

The biggest gain of this election howewer was the leftist Razem-Wiosna-SLD alliance, which went from virtually no representation at all in the Sejm to over 49 seats in the span of just 4 years, while both PO and PiS suffered some losses within the chamber (And PiS lost its Senate majority altogether from the preliminary results we received so far).

[Werpman]

An excellent result for Lewica! I was surprised that they were able to pull off doing the pragmatic thing and not handing this to PiS again.

How does Trumptonium feel about ZP losing some of its clout?

[Nakena]

Their social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about LGBT rights when wages are rising 10% a year? ;)

1930s NSDAP version:
"Their political and social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about democracy and human rights when the German economy is rapidly recovering year by year? ;)"

Food is the first thing, morals come later.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

1930s NSDAP version:
"Their political and social policies are crap, but who gives a shit about democracy and human rights when the German economy is rapidly recovering year by year? "

Food is the first thing, morals come later.

Ironically, after the devastation the fascists caused as a result of their catastrophic ideology, food shortages and economic crises were rampant across a good portion of Europe, thus sacrificing both morals and food.

[Nakena]

Food is the first thing, morals come later.

Ironically, after the devastation the fascists caused as a result of their catastrophic ideology, food shortages and economic crises were rampant across a good portion of Europe, thus sacrificing both morals and food.

I was paraphrasing Bertholt Brecht. However anyways, it remains that people appear to have voted for the PiS (whose ideology I do not share nor endorse) for their economic and social policy rather than necessarily agreeing with their ideology or their stance on LGBT issues. I do not believe they will cause an mayham to an degree that everything comes crashing down.

[North German Realm]

Ironically, after the devastation the fascists caused as a result of their catastrophic ideology, food shortages and economic crises were rampant across a good portion of Europe, thus sacrificing both morals and food.

I was paraphrasing Bertholt Brecht. However anyways, it remains that people appear to have voted for the PiS (whose ideology I do not share nor endorse) for their economic and social policy rather than necessarily agreeing with their ideology or their stance on LGBT issues. I do not believe they will cause an mayham to an degree that everything comes crashing down.

And were PiS to do anything, those who voted because "muh bread more important than other people's freedom/security" are just as responsible as those who voted becuase "fuck X group" all the same.

[Nakena]

I was paraphrasing Bertholt Brecht. However anyways, it remains that people appear to have voted for the PiS (whose ideology I do not share nor endorse) for their economic and social policy rather than necessarily agreeing with their ideology or their stance on LGBT issues. I do not believe they will cause an mayham to an degree that everything comes crashing down.

And were PiS to do anything, those who voted because "muh bread more important than other people's freedom/security" are just as responsible as those who voted becuase "fuck X group" all the same.

I do not disagree entirely, still its a slippery slope. Because some people cannot afford or have the luxury to make another decision.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

I was paraphrasing Bertholt Brecht. However anyways, it remains that people appear to have voted for the PiS (whose ideology I do not share nor endorse) for their economic and social policy rather than necessarily agreeing with their ideology or their stance on LGBT issues. I do not believe they will cause an mayham to an degree that everything comes crashing down.

And were PiS to do anything, those who voted because "muh bread more important than other people's freedom/security" are just as responsible as those who voted becuase "fuck X group" all the same.

Indeed. As Benjamin Franklin said:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[Polszcza]

I never vote, because every party is horrible/disorganised/ineffective/making deals with the Yanks/Brussels/Berlin/SB/banks while neglecting to build independent Polish industry, foster a genuine, unique Polish high culture, promote Polish R&D, and revise the concordat with the Holy See.

Plus, voting is a sham anyway. People make promises to gain power and do nothing/mess things up after gaining power, only to repeat those same promises during the next round of elections.

So yeah, death to democracy and may the best autocrat emerge to bring about a rebirth in our Ojczyzna!

[Nakena]

I never vote, because every party is horrible/disorganised/ineffective/making deals with the Yanks/Brussels/Berlin/SB/banks while neglecting to build independent Polish industry, foster a genuine, unique Polish high culture, promote Polish R&D, and revise the concordat with the Holy See.

Plus, voting is a sham anyway. People make promises to gain power and do nothing/mess things up after gaining power, only to repeat those same promises during the next round of elections.

So yeah, death to democracy and may the best autocrat emerge to bring about a rebirth in our Ojczyzna!

Strasserist?

[The tanks of herp]

Atleast they lost some seats. Next Polish election hope they get even less seats.

The biggest gain of this election howewer was the leftist Razem-Wiosna-SLD alliance, which went from virtually no representation at all in the Sejm to over 49 seats in the span of just 4 years, while both PO and PiS suffered some losses within the chamber (And PiS lost its Senate majority altogether from the preliminary results we received so far).

Excellent!

Here is hoping that the Razem-Wiosna-SLD alliance continues to grow.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

I never vote, because every party is horrible/disorganised/ineffective/making deals with the Yanks/Brussels/Berlin/SB/banks while neglecting to build independent Polish industry, foster a genuine, unique Polish high culture, promote Polish R&D, and revise the concordat with the Holy See.

Plus, voting is a sham anyway. People make promises to gain power and do nothing/mess things up after gaining power, only to repeat those same promises during the next round of elections.

So yeah, death to democracy and may the best autocrat emerge to bring about a rebirth in our Ojczyzna!

Strasserist?

His flag is literally identical to the insignia of the ONR-Falanga, so yeah, he is most likely a Strasserist.

[North German Realm]

I never vote, because every party is horrible/disorganised/ineffective/making deals with the Yanks/Brussels/Berlin/SB/banks while neglecting to build independent Polish industry, foster a genuine, unique Polish high culture, promote Polish R&D, and revise the concordat with the Holy See.

Plus, voting is a sham anyway. People make promises to gain power and do nothing/mess things up after gaining power, only to repeat those same promises during the next round of elections.

So yeah, death to democracy and may the best autocrat emerge to bring about a rebirth in our Ojczyzna!

That is one of the least healthy attitudes regarding electoral tradition I have ever read anywhere.

And were PiS to do anything, those who voted because "muh bread more important than other people's freedom/security" are just as responsible as those who voted becuase "fuck X group" all the same.

Indeed. As Benjamin Franklin said:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Essentially, and the funniest part is that they eventually lose both.

[Nakena]

That is one of the least healthy attitudes regarding electoral tradition I have ever read anywhere.

I absolutly agree. This is by far the dumbest and most stupidest thing to do. I may do not agree with the political systems, or even the entire foundation upon which is build. But I've with a vote I've still have an possibility to influence things, however little, towards a more desireable outcome within what currently exists. Even though this will not result in something I genuinely desire, want or like, it is still one move I can make.

So why waste it?

[Polszcza]

Strasserist?

His flag is literally identical to the insignia of the ONR-Falanga, so yeah, he is most likely a Strasserist.

Identical? Not really. First, ONR (both pre- and post-war) uses a green flag. Second, the “falanga” symbol is geometric. See this link. https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruch_Narodowo-Radykalny

As for my insignia, I trust that you’ve never examined the Polish naval jack (both current and past)? All I’ve done is taken the heraldic i.e. realistic arm of the naval jack and given it the szczerbiec (Poland’s traditional sword). If I were a Strasserist/ONR supporter/MWp etc., I would have used the National Democratic “Mieczyk Chrobrego”.

Call me whatever, but I will be an arse about symbolism and accuracy.