Trump MAGAThread III: Steak, Vodka, Casinos, and America

[Conserative Morality]

Oh. Still though, that nearly doubles our war dead!

We'd kill Mark Twain.
We'd kill people who would do great things. We'd kill the potential of an entire group of people for compliance

We'd also save untold millions. Save civil rights from being destroyed in the 1870s, save the country from the flagging and failing way of life the South insisted on continuing for the next century. How many people, do you think, were killed or unfairly imprisoned by the powers that be in the post-Civil War South? Do you think they even compare to that in the North? Slavery was essentially painted over with a light brush after reconstruction, and it continued that way for decades.

You know, kings in the middle ages used to do things like that.

I think we decided it was a bad idea somewhere.

We decided it was an inhumane idea somewhere along the line. It most certainly is.

[Lady Scylla]

You know, kings in the middle ages (and, well, rulers a long time before that even) used to do things like that.

I think we decided it was a bad idea somewhere.

Oh and Julius Caesar boasted about it. Said he killed like 3 million Gauls.

Genocide was far easier back then.

[The East Marches]

You are being incredibly naive. Law enforcement are going to take extreme losses storming a prepared town. You are facing erosion of fighting power and expertise if you keep grinding down people each time to send them in. People only get lucky so many times. There is no guarantee of success either. Remove heavy weapons because humanitarian concerns and there is no sure chance you can deal with it, not without ruining your own forces and therefore losing.

I know. I know, believe me I know. It's horrible and all us bastards in blue will be in a fucking meat grinder. But it's the only humane way to do it, and I think that if we can't do it the humane way, we can't do it.

I would hardly call your method humane. I think it would not accomplish anything but large losses and an overall strategic defeat. I am of the opinion if it doesn't give a reasonable chance of victory, there is no reason to attempt it. You don't roll the iron dice if you are sure to lose in the long run.

[Blakk Metal]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

[Gauthier]

Oh the irony.

How many millions of wealthy people voted for him?

I take it you're wealthy then.

[Conserative Morality]

That's up to 2 million people. Hundreds of Thousands of families, children, sons, daughters, husbands, wives. The local mailman, that gal who smiles at you when you get your coffee. All dead

The son who fought against democratic governance because his side lost once after controlling the government for half a century. The local mailman, who fought for the right of people to own other people on account of their skin color. The gal who spied on Union forces and caused dozens of casualties directly from her reports to the Confederate military. Dead. Unable to spread their bile. Unable to support the KKK in the post-Civil War South. Unable to lynch innocents for being 'uppity'. Unable to enforce a system of segregation, sharecropping, and arbitrary imprisonment little better than slavery.

[Gauthier]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

So register and deport native-born American Muslims as well then?

[Betoni]

I don't want to put words in your mouth and far be it from me to make conclusions from those imaginary words you didn't say.

Just read back, ez pz. There is my answer for you to read. It hasn't changed.

No, you didn't give me an answer. You replied with a question. That is in no manner an answer. Jeesus fucking christ, I know I've been wrong, I think I've quoted you in this same thread to make a point about trump and putin, just say it, you'll get more out of it than me. I for cereal hope that people do challenge me to change my views on anything in this thread.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

I'm not discussing killing all Muslims. I'm discussing whether it's conducive to peace in the long run to allow supporters of the rival side in the civil war to continue living ordinary lives in the region they did before.

[Lady Scylla]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

Or just leave Muslims alone.

[The East Marches]

Just read back, ez pz. There is my answer for you to read. It hasn't changed.

No, you didn't give me an answer. You replied with a question. That is in no manner an answer. Jeesus fucking christ, I know I've been wrong, I think I've quoted you in this same thread to make a point about trump and putin, just say it, you'll get more out of it than me. I for cereal hope that people do challenge me to change my views on anything in this thread.

It is a perfectly valid answer. It gives my intentions and asks you a question. Thats just called being efficient.

[Blakk Metal]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh and Julius Caesar boasted about it. Said he killed like 3 million Gauls.

One million, mostly in combat in an era where taking prisoners on the march was less than advisable.

[Betoni]

No, you didn't give me an answer. You replied with a question. That is in no manner an answer. Jeesus fucking christ, I know I've been wrong, I think I've quoted you in this same thread to make a point about trump and putin, just say it, you'll get more out of it than me. I for cereal hope that people do challenge me to change my views on anything in this thread.

It is a perfectly valid answer. It gives my intentions and asks you a question. Thats just called being efficient.

Sure if you're more honest your feels than your brains. I don't mind, if that's what you have to do, that's what you have to do.

[Gauthier]

Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

So register and deport American Muslims as well?

[Vassenor]

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Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

So how would the current measures have prevented any of the terrorist incidents from the last two decades?

Personally I do not understand why everyone is falling over each other to embody ISIS' spiel about the West hating Islam and wanting to destroy it.

[Big Jim P]

How many millions of wealthy people voted for him?

I take it you're wealthy then.

Hardly. Like millions of other Trump supports, I am a common man. Deplorable, I know.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I know. I know, believe me I know. It's horrible and all us bastards in blue will be in a fucking meat grinder. But it's the only humane way to do it, and I think that if we can't do it the humane way, we can't do it.

I would hardly call your method humane. I think it would not accomplish anything but large losses and an overall strategic defeat. I am of the opinion if it doesn't give a reasonable chance of victory, there is no reason to attempt it. You don't roll the iron dice if you are sure to lose in the long run.

We take volunteers. Every last poor dumb son of a bitch out there knows they can die any day for it. And we might lose. We might lose our lives, our limbs, our hopes and dreams. But we won't lose our empathy for our fellow man. I stand by my commitment to that, and if the army would take me, I'd march right the fuck back into Africa and keep doing it. My boyfriend lost his leg to operation. My husband died on his own, bringing those same ideals to him off duty. We will keep dying so the innocent don't, and as long as there is one last dumb piece of shit willing to kill themselves to keep as many people alive as possible, we will be humans.
That is why we fight a war we might not win

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He'll do something to piss of common people and get his supporters in a gloating mood before long.

The common people ARE his supporters. Duh.

What?

[Galloism]

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

So how would the current measures have prevented any of the terrorist incidents from the last two decades?

Well, all the terrorists who came from those 7 countries that committed terrorist attacks in the United States would not have been able to.

[Big Jim P]

I don't see why we and Donald Trump are discussing ethically dubious slaughter when it would be easier to stand up to Saudi Arabia and co, or even simply ban all Muslims, both of which would be easier and nicer than wholesale mass slaughter.

Or just leave Muslims alone.

And leave them where they are. Especially those who are Americans.

[Lady Scylla]

Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

The problem you're having is thinking all Muslims want to attack us. That's a generalisation, and a discriminatory one at that. In all of my time dealing with Muslims where I live, they've been nothing but nice and pretty chill. And given they account for nearly 1/3 of the world's population, if they were clearly all hellbent on destroying us, we'd be fucked. But that's not the case, it never has been.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

Islam isn't attacking anyone. Nutjobs who happen to be nutjobs about Islam are attacking people

[Gauthier]

I take it you're wealthy then.

Hardly. Like millions of other Trump supports, I am a common man. Deplorable, I know.

No, the word here is "hornswoggled".

[Big Jim P]

Or just leave Muslims alone.

Sure, let them continue to attack us.

No mercy for those who attack us, otherwise I am with the Lady on this.