Paradox Games V: Oh baby! I love you so---*heart attack*

[Shaggai]

Re: the poll, where are my CotC dreadnoughts? I want to be one of those. Technically they have horse archer icons, so I guess I'm a horse archer?
Literally just Shaggai. As for portraits... probably the sixth portrait in this picture, the black and white alien.

I'd assume that a Dinosaur mod would have come out by the time that I'd get the game so I'd choose that and if not I'm just so unsure of what reptilian portrait I'd pick. I'm definitely killing that raptor-looking, avian faff every time I see him in Stellaris. He deserves enslavement and occasional purging!

And I know that I'd use the guaranteed MLP mod at some point.

Yo, you guys want my Empire template thingie again so that we can do that again?

You realize that dinosaurs were, in reality, way more birdlike than they are usually portrayed as? Avian makes way more sense for a dinosaur phenotype than reptilian.

[Benomia 3]

Well I decided to actually figure out how Vic2's economy worked (up until this point I just totally ignored the production and trade screens).

Started an HPM game as Vietnam, cheated so I could westernize within five years and get technologies as soon as the year permitted.


Turns out that a westernized, technologically-advanced Vietnam is actually quite OP. Became GP as soon as the Oriental Crisis fired, and kept it - I overtook Spain shortly after to become #7 in the world. Annexed Luang Prabang, puppeted Cambodia, and sphered Thailand. Came close to fighting a war with Britain for Burma but chickened out when I saw their troop counts. I have like thirty soldiers total.

Hanoi soon became the fifth most populous city in Asia (after Nanjing, Tokyo, Delhi, and Peking), with Vietnam itself being one of the larger Asian countries in total (excluding colonies, I think Vietnam was like #6 for population due to all the Japanese/Chinese minors).
Set up a nice little economy centered around wood and textile production and their associated luxury products.

I encouraged a growing class of intellectuals, especially in Hanoi and Saigon, which led to rising literacy rates (from less than 2% in 1836 to over 10% in 1850), which in turn led to a growing political movement. The king was forced to accept constitutional rule, as the country transformed into a Constitutional Monarchy and held actual elections. The country soon split between the liberal-minded Tonkin region (centered around Hanoi) and the conservative-minded Cochinchina region (centered around Saigon), with Annam and North Laos having no real allegiances.

The conservatives held a distinct majority in the upper house for over a decade, but high militancy led to many reforms getting passed, including the abolition of slavery, freeing the serfs, and even some labor laws such as nationalized unions and restrictions on working hours.

This made Vietnam stand out amongst the other east Asian nations, as they now had a hopeful (if illiterate) lower class and some basic regulations in place to allow for serious economic growth. Around this time, China broke to reactionary rebels and lost all their westernization progress.


However, Vietnam still had a serious problem. They were building factories and joining the world economy, but their population was still pitifully small. Only around four million adult males lived in the country by 1845. Most of these were illiterate peasants with no real skills, and the intellectual class was too small to actually educate them en masse. And they couldn't really be employed for unskilled labor simply because there wasn't enough of them.


To solve this problem, Vietnam invaded the Kongo, annexed the opening of the Congo Basin, and established the Congo Free State.

The Congo was filled with unskilled labor just waiting to be exploited - it was one of the most densely populated regions in Africa, at least near the coast. And so Vietnam established a colony in there, just as the British began to colonize South Africa and France began to move towards the Sahara through Algeria.


Vietnam was still near the bottom of the international barrel, but they were determined to end that quickly.

[The Wolven League]

Not first.

[Roma Byzantina]

I'd assume that a Dinosaur mod would have come out by the time that I'd get the game so I'd choose that and if not I'm just so unsure of what reptilian portrait I'd pick. I'm definitely killing that raptor-looking, avian faff every time I see him in Stellaris. He deserves enslavement and occasional purging!

And I know that I'd use the guaranteed MLP mod at some point.

Yo, you guys want my Empire template thingie again so that we can do that again?

You realize that dinosaurs were, in reality, way more birdlike than they are usually portrayed as? Avian makes way more sense for a dinosaur phenotype than reptilian.

I want my Jurassic Park Dinos not real-life ones

Besides, I may have feathers on my snout but that doesn't mean that my lizard-hips (which are closer in relation to modern birds than those bird-hipped faffs) aren't rockin' for some reptilian awesomeness! Either way, that Velociraptor guy is gonna learn his lesson in my energy and mineral mines! As well as a personal slave...

Well I decided to actually figure out how Vic2's economy worked (up until this point I just totally ignored the production and trade screens).

Started an HPM game as Vietnam, cheated so I could westernize within five years and get technologies as soon as the year permitted.


Turns out that a westernized, technologically-advanced Vietnam is actually quite OP. Became GP as soon as the Oriental Crisis fired, and kept it - I overtook Spain shortly after to become #7 in the world. Annexed Luang Prabang, puppeted Cambodia, and sphered Thailand. Came close to fighting a war with Britain for Burma but chickened out when I saw their troop counts. I have like thirty soldiers total.

Hanoi soon became the fifth most populous city in Asia (after Nanjing, Tokyo, Delhi, and Peking), with Vietnam itself being one of the larger Asian countries in total (excluding colonies, I think Vietnam was like #6 for population due to all the Japanese/Chinese minors).
Set up a nice little economy centered around wood and textile production and their associated luxury products.

I encouraged a growing class of intellectuals, especially in Hanoi and Saigon, which led to rising literacy rates (from less than 2% in 1836 to over 10% in 1850), which in turn led to a growing political movement. The king was forced to accept constitutional rule, as the country transformed into a Constitutional Monarchy and held actual elections. The country soon split between the liberal-minded Tonkin region (centered around Hanoi) and the conservative-minded Cochinchina region (centered around Saigon), with Annam and North Laos having no real allegiances.

The conservatives held a distinct majority in the upper house for over a decade, but high militancy led to many reforms getting passed, including the abolition of slavery, freeing the serfs, and even some labor laws such as nationalized unions and restrictions on working hours.

This made Vietnam stand out amongst the other east Asian nations, as they now had a hopeful (if illiterate) lower class and some basic regulations in place to allow for serious economic growth. Around this time, China broke to reactionary rebels and lost all their westernization progress.


However, Vietnam still had a serious problem. They were building factories and joining the world economy, but their population was still pitifully small. Only around four million adult males lived in the country by 1845. Most of these were illiterate peasants with no real skills, and the intellectual class was too small to actually educate them en masse. And they couldn't really be employed for unskilled labor simply because there wasn't enough of them.


To solve this problem, Vietnam invaded the Kongo, annexed the opening of the Congo Basin, and established the Congo Free State.

The Congo was filled with unskilled labor just waiting to be exploited - it was one of the most densely populated regions in Africa, at least near the coast. And so Vietnam established a colony in there, just as the British began to colonize South Africa and France began to move towards the Sahara through Algeria.


Vietnam was still near the bottom of the international barrel, but they were determined to end that quickly.

You love Vietnam quite a bit. Seriously that one EU4 mod you made place you there. Are you from there? We've known each other for like 4 years and I don't even know!

[Benomia 3]

You love Vietnam quite a bit. Seriously that one EU4 mod you made place you there. Are you from there? We've known each other for like 4 years and I don't even know!

Nah I have no real ties to Vietnam, or really any of Asia (I was born in, and have never legally left, the United States). The country's just always fascinated me. The whole region has such a unique history and place amongst the world.

[U n i t y]

Well I decided to actually figure out how Vic2's economy worked (up until this point I just totally ignored the production and trade screens).

Started an HPM game as Vietnam, cheated so I could westernize within five years and get technologies as soon as the year permitted.


Turns out that a westernized, technologically-advanced Vietnam is actually quite OP. Became GP as soon as the Oriental Crisis fired, and kept it - I overtook Spain shortly after to become #7 in the world. Annexed Luang Prabang, puppeted Cambodia, and sphered Thailand. Came close to fighting a war with Britain for Burma but chickened out when I saw their troop counts. I have like thirty soldiers total.

Hanoi soon became the fifth most populous city in Asia (after Nanjing, Tokyo, Delhi, and Peking), with Vietnam itself being one of the larger Asian countries in total (excluding colonies, I think Vietnam was like #6 for population due to all the Japanese/Chinese minors).
Set up a nice little economy centered around wood and textile production and their associated luxury products.

I encouraged a growing class of intellectuals, especially in Hanoi and Saigon, which led to rising literacy rates (from less than 2% in 1836 to over 10% in 1850), which in turn led to a growing political movement. The king was forced to accept constitutional rule, as the country transformed into a Constitutional Monarchy and held actual elections. The country soon split between the liberal-minded Tonkin region (centered around Hanoi) and the conservative-minded Cochinchina region (centered around Saigon), with Annam and North Laos having no real allegiances.

The conservatives held a distinct majority in the upper house for over a decade, but high militancy led to many reforms getting passed, including the abolition of slavery, freeing the serfs, and even some labor laws such as nationalized unions and restrictions on working hours.

This made Vietnam stand out amongst the other east Asian nations, as they now had a hopeful (if illiterate) lower class and some basic regulations in place to allow for serious economic growth. Around this time, China broke to reactionary rebels and lost all their westernization progress.


However, Vietnam still had a serious problem. They were building factories and joining the world economy, but their population was still pitifully small. Only around four million adult males lived in the country by 1845. Most of these were illiterate peasants with no real skills, and the intellectual class was too small to actually educate them en masse. And they couldn't really be employed for unskilled labor simply because there wasn't enough of them.


To solve this problem, Vietnam invaded the Kongo, annexed the opening of the Congo Basin, and established the Congo Free State.

The Congo was filled with unskilled labor just waiting to be exploited - it was one of the most densely populated regions in Africa, at least near the coast. And so Vietnam established a colony in there, just as the British began to colonize South Africa and France began to move towards the Sahara through Algeria.


Vietnam was still near the bottom of the international barrel, but they were determined to end that quickly.

Its not that westernized Dai Nam is OP. Its just that westernizing gives you a lot of prestige. Unfortunately, the prestige is not tweakable and nations DON'T westernize in the 1830's so the amount of prestige given is way too high for 1840. That is why you made it to GP. But congrats, you made it. I would actually recommend invading Siam, Luang Prubang, and Cambodia BEFORE westernization so infamy burns off quickly. Then, westernize through console, and take the rest of Siam. Fight the UK for Burma, bring them down to neutral, invade.

I would recommend going after China by 1870. The tech advantage is huge, just stand in the mountains, get 50 warscore and "take" Guangdong, etc. Then, wait 5 years, and do place in the sun to actually take Guangdong. Encourage intellectuals since day 1 too.

[U n i t y]

I have returned to stake my claim to this throne of mine.

*Is immediately castrated and blinded

Welp, time to return to Victoria II.

Hops into tank commander's seat. To HOI IV! Soon...

Hops into spaceship. To hyperspace! soon...

[Roma Byzantina]

You love Vietnam quite a bit. Seriously that one EU4 mod you made place you there. Are you from there? We've known each other for like 4 years and I don't even know!

Nah I have no real ties to Vietnam, or really any of Asia (I was born in, and have never legally left, the United States). The country's just always fascinated me. The whole region has such a unique history and place amongst the world.

Ah, alright. I feel so weird to not know for so long... Same with Wolfia. Yo Wolfie! If you see this, tell me what state/province and country you live!

[Bojikami]

Thinking of doing another Darkest Hour game, who should I play as? I was thinking Imperial China, Russia, or Albania in WW1, but I'm open to suggestions.

[Reatra]

Re: the poll, where are my CotC dreadnoughts? I want to be one of those. Technically they have horse archer icons, so I guess I'm a horse archer?
Literally just Shaggai. As for portraits... probably the sixth portrait in this picture, the black and white alien.

I'm definitely killing that raptor-looking, avian faff every time I see him in Stellaris. He deserves enslavement and occasional purging!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Either you're implying that raptors deserve death, or that raptors are reptilian and not avian.

EITHER WAY, GULAG FOR YOU!

[Polar Svalbard]

I'm definitely killing that raptor-looking, avian faff every time I see him in Stellaris. He deserves enslavement and occasional purging!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Either you're implying that raptors deserve death, or that raptors are reptilian and not avian.

EITHER WAY, GULAG FOR YOU!

Its the Soviets! *gets a bunch of Tigers together*

[Roma Byzantina]

I'm definitely killing that raptor-looking, avian faff every time I see him in Stellaris. He deserves enslavement and occasional purging!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Either you're implying that raptors deserve death, or that raptors are reptilian and not avian.

EITHER WAY, GULAG FOR YOU!

Its mostly salt from the childhood revelation that Dinosaurs are less scalie and more feather-y.

I RPed Utahraptors based off of the scalie model for two or so years and I'm not gonna give them up in space! Vivat Irlicana! Vivat Sauriticana! Vivat Vespyr!

Also... I'm the rightful claimant to the Gulags!

[Kalmarium]

Ooooh it's so tempting. Catholicism is so boring but my problem with going atomicist is that I'd have to convert everything again.

Should I?

[Shaggai]

Ooooh it's so tempting. Catholicism is so boring but my problem with going atomicist is that I'd have to convert everything again.

Should I?

Do it for the chaos.

[Bralia]

Ugh, im a tank.
I demand to be with the other attack methods, because that's tankist if you dont. Do it or else me and my three followers on Facetank will boycott for life.

I sexually identify as an attack helicopter.

Darkest Hour and Hearts of Iron are the best Paradox games because they are the only ones to represent my kind.

Also, a note: No need to worry if this poll isn't to everyone's taste, I will be getting around to exclusive polls for each major Paradox title.

Ah. I believe I've already put a bid up for VI, too.

But that won't be for awhile.

Or alternatively, it'll be quite soon, since starting May 9th, this thread will fill up extremely quickly.

Or there won't be any posts at all, because no one will be able to drag themselves away from Stellaris.

This will most certainly be me.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

So the Neo-Aztec horselord has made me marshal, and I have imprisoned the queen of one of the powerful Gaian tribes for him. and she was sacrificed to my lords Gods. Most of the native Americans in the pacific northwest have formed a coalition to fight my lord, and it isn't going well.

[Alvecia]

Ahhh, new thread smell. Interesting poll too.

Might prompt me to continue that Chrysanthemum Throne attempt.

[Benomia 3]

Well I decided to actually figure out how Vic2's economy worked (up until this point I just totally ignored the production and trade screens).

Started an HPM game as Vietnam, cheated so I could westernize within five years and get technologies as soon as the year permitted.


Turns out that a westernized, technologically-advanced Vietnam is actually quite OP. Became GP as soon as the Oriental Crisis fired, and kept it - I overtook Spain shortly after to become #7 in the world. Annexed Luang Prabang, puppeted Cambodia, and sphered Thailand. Came close to fighting a war with Britain for Burma but chickened out when I saw their troop counts. I have like thirty soldiers total.

Hanoi soon became the fifth most populous city in Asia (after Nanjing, Tokyo, Delhi, and Peking), with Vietnam itself being one of the larger Asian countries in total (excluding colonies, I think Vietnam was like #6 for population due to all the Japanese/Chinese minors).
Set up a nice little economy centered around wood and textile production and their associated luxury products.

I encouraged a growing class of intellectuals, especially in Hanoi and Saigon, which led to rising literacy rates (from less than 2% in 1836 to over 10% in 1850), which in turn led to a growing political movement. The king was forced to accept constitutional rule, as the country transformed into a Constitutional Monarchy and held actual elections. The country soon split between the liberal-minded Tonkin region (centered around Hanoi) and the conservative-minded Cochinchina region (centered around Saigon), with Annam and North Laos having no real allegiances.

The conservatives held a distinct majority in the upper house for over a decade, but high militancy led to many reforms getting passed, including the abolition of slavery, freeing the serfs, and even some labor laws such as nationalized unions and restrictions on working hours.

This made Vietnam stand out amongst the other east Asian nations, as they now had a hopeful (if illiterate) lower class and some basic regulations in place to allow for serious economic growth. Around this time, China broke to reactionary rebels and lost all their westernization progress.


However, Vietnam still had a serious problem. They were building factories and joining the world economy, but their population was still pitifully small. Only around four million adult males lived in the country by 1845. Most of these were illiterate peasants with no real skills, and the intellectual class was too small to actually educate them en masse. And they couldn't really be employed for unskilled labor simply because there wasn't enough of them.


To solve this problem, Vietnam invaded the Kongo, annexed the opening of the Congo Basin, and established the Congo Free State.

The Congo was filled with unskilled labor just waiting to be exploited - it was one of the most densely populated regions in Africa, at least near the coast. And so Vietnam established a colony in there, just as the British began to colonize South Africa and France began to move towards the Sahara through Algeria.


Vietnam was still near the bottom of the international barrel, but they were determined to end that quickly.

Its not that westernized Dai Nam is OP. Its just that westernizing gives you a lot of prestige. Unfortunately, the prestige is not tweakable and nations DON'T westernize in the 1830's so the amount of prestige given is way too high for 1840. That is why you made it to GP. But congrats, you made it. I would actually recommend invading Siam, Luang Prubang, and Cambodia BEFORE westernization so infamy burns off quickly. Then, westernize through console, and take the rest of Siam. Fight the UK for Burma, bring them down to neutral, invade.

I would recommend going after China by 1870. The tech advantage is huge, just stand in the mountains, get 50 warscore and "take" Guangdong, etc. Then, wait 5 years, and do place in the sun to actually take Guangdong. Encourage intellectuals since day 1 too.

Cambodia starts as a Vietnamese puppet.
I actually managed to avoid any infamy from the Luang Prabang annexation. Guess I just got lucky. Figure I'll move into China soon to get that sweet sweet population density, but I wanted to get a foot in the African door before Europe took it all for itself.

[The Wolven League]

Nah I have no real ties to Vietnam, or really any of Asia (I was born in, and have never legally left, the United States). The country's just always fascinated me. The whole region has such a unique history and place amongst the world.

Ah, alright. I feel so weird to not know for so long... Same with Wolfia. Yo Wolfie! If you see this, tell me what state/province and country you live!

"Wolfia"?

[Benomia 3]

Ah, alright. I feel so weird to not know for so long... Same with Wolfia. Yo Wolfie! If you see this, tell me what state/province and country you live!

"Wolfia"?

(pretty sure he means tgw)

[Bralia]

One last reminder to those interested, the Blorg stream is today and at 1700 CEST.

[Ifreann]

One last reminder to those interested, the Blorg stream is today and at 1700 CEST.

And they're going to tell us something exciting.

My money's on confirmation of Stellaris 2.

[Herargon]

One last reminder to those interested, the Blorg stream is today and at 1700 CEST.

And they're going to tell us something exciting.

My money's on confirmation of Stellaris 2.

Or they announce that bears will be in space. Possible as well.

[Ifreann]

And they're going to tell us something exciting.

My money's on confirmation of Stellaris 2.

Or they announce that bears will be in space. Possible as well.

Fuck yeah, space Jan Mayen.

[Bralia]

One last reminder to those interested, the Blorg stream is today and at 1700 CEST.

And they're going to tell us something exciting.

My money's on confirmation of Stellaris 2.

Stellaris was a distraction. A red herring. Victoria 3 confirmed.