Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

??? Discovery's bridge is very distinct. Lots of open space and swooping curves, with almost a futuristic streamline moderne sensibility.

So much so that they used it as the bridge of the Zheng He in STP and half of ya'll didn't notice.

Oh no

[Tarsonis]

??? Discovery's bridge is very distinct. Lots of open space and swooping curves, with almost a futuristic streamline moderne sensibility.

So much so that they used it as the bridge of the Zheng He in STP and half of ya'll didn't notice.

Oh no, you mean they didn't build a brand new set for 30 seconds of FaceTime footage, and used an already existing set to save money? Horse hockey. Next you're gonna tell me they re-use explosion effects from Star Trek 6 in every other show.

[Ameriganastan]

I mean, it's not like they haven't reused sets before. The Bellerophon from "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was just the Voyager set because it was free that week.

[Juristonia]

Seriously, every Trek rewatch is game of "Hey, I've seen that thing before" when it comes to the decor.

[Vassenor]

I mean, it's not like they haven't reused sets before. The Bellerophon from "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was just the Voyager set because it was free that week.

And those sets were redressed from the Enterprise D sets (that were also used for shooting ST6), parts of which were redressed from the TMP sets.

[Tarsonis]

I mean, it's not like they haven't reused sets before. The Bellerophon from "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was just the Voyager set because it was free that week.

to be fair, the bellerophon was also an intrepid class, most likely because they could use establishing shots and sets from voyager.


regardless though, In just about any show the sets are redressed and reused to establish different locations, that's how they save money.

[Vassenor]

I mean, it's not like they haven't reused sets before. The Bellerophon from "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was just the Voyager set because it was free that week.

to be fair, the bellerophon was also an intrepid class, most likely because they could use establishing shots and sets from voyager.


regardless though, In just about any show the sets are redressed and reused to establish different locations, that's how they save money.

All the ways the Movie Constitution Bridge set was redressed, including the Battle Bridge, the courtroom from "Measure of a Man", and various lab sets.

[Tarsonis]

to be fair, the bellerophon was also an intrepid class, most likely because they could use establishing shots and sets from voyager.


regardless though, In just about any show the sets are redressed and reused to establish different locations, that's how they save money.

All the ways the Movie Constitution Bridge set was redressed, including the Battle Bridge, the courtroom from "Measure of a Man", and various lab sets.

And let's not forget the most important device in the universe

[New haven america]

I expect more from TV shows that pride themselves on their movie quality SFX budgets.

One of the few things Kurtz Trek could be considered competent in and it fails at even that.

[Tarsonis]

I expect more from TV shows that pride themselves on their movie quality SFX budgets.

One of the few things Kurtz Trek could be considered competent in and it fails at even that.

yeah yeah, you're just salty no one cares.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I expect more from TV shows that pride themselves on their movie quality SFX budgets.

One of the few things Kurtz Trek could be considered competent in and it fails at even that.

: O

[New haven america]

I expect more from TV shows that pride themselves on their movie quality SFX budgets.

One of the few things Kurtz Trek could be considered competent in and it fails at even that.

: O

I never railed against the effects of the show, I railed against the designs though.

And Alex has always been an all flash and no substance writer. So flashy in fact, he felt like taking the time to show us what a transformer's balls look like.

Head showrunner of ST's greatest achievement right there!

[The Huskar Social Union]

: O

I never railed against the effects of the show, I railed against the designs though.

And Alex has always been an all flash and no substance writer. So flashy in fact, he felt like taking the time to show us what a transformer's balls look like.

God that movie was shit. The first Michael bay transformers wasnt bad, actually thought it was quite enjoyable but after that oh boy

[Juristonia]

: O

I never railed against the effects of the show, I railed against the designs though.

And Alex has always been an all flash and no substance writer. So flashy in fact, he felt like taking the time to show us what a transformer's balls look like.

Head showrunner of ST's greatest achievement right there!

Cool.
You're still railing against something has Trek has literally always had because you just.can't.help yourself.

[New haven america]

I never railed against the effects of the show, I railed against the designs though.

And Alex has always been an all flash and no substance writer. So flashy in fact, he felt like taking the time to show us what a transformer's balls look like.

Head showrunner of ST's greatest achievement right there!

Cool.
You're still railing against something has Trek has literally always had because you just.can't.help yourself.

Love ya too boo~

[Stellar Colonies]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtjqVebp_Is

Paris: NuTrek Writers and Directors

Tuvok: NuTrek Critics

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

The SFX leave much to be desired. Much like how the bridge features sounds from the TNG-Voyager era?

As for the bridge, I agree. Disco probably has the least memorable main bridge set of the Trek hero ships so far already, but it would fit in more in the new setting than it would in the 23rd century. Not to mention the size discrepancies from the inside to the outside of the ship.

Also, does the fact that this is the Discovery-A make any sense? This is the Enterprise suffix problem from Ephraim and Dot. The letter suffix typically indicates that this vessel is a successor to a vessel which has previously been lost, right? Like the Motion Picture never featured the Enterprise-A, that vessel only came into existence after the original Enterprise was destroyed. Discovery wasn't destroyed, it just underwent a complete overhaul. The Motion Picture admitted the refitted Enterprise was "an almost totally new Enterprise", but it was still considered 1701. Unless Discovery gets blown up, shouldn't it still be just 1031?

Discovery was officially listed as destroyed with all hands in the S2 finale, remember?

Yeah but seeing that vessel and its entire crew complement sail into your headquarters and say "we're not destroyed" may indicate otherwise. 1031-A would still be a separate vessel than 1031, in the sense that it's a successor carrying on the name, rather than the old ship with a new coat of paint and some new tech in it. Again, the refit Enterprise was still considered 1701, because despite its sparkly new look, it was still intended to be the same ship. Similarly for the Enterprise-E at the end of Nemesis, herself bearing the suffix E as she was the direct successor to the Enterprise D, which was confirmed destroyed and "unsalvageable" by Picard himself at the end of Generations. She underwent a refit at the end of Nemesis due to the extensive damage she had suffered against Shinzon, but though the refit was minor, she was still considered the Enterprise-E, the fifth incarnation of the Enterprise 1701 lineage. (The intended refit for Enterprise at the end of Star Trek: Enterprise I can't talk about, because it was never seen on screen + 22nd century Starfleet may have operated somewhat differently, though I imagine it would be the same way). Suffixes only come into play when a new vessel is constructed, and that new vessel takes the name of another to honor its legacy.

Saru himself mentions that Discovery had "evolved in ways we could never have imagined", or something to that effect, indicating that not only is the refit Discovery confirmed to be, well, a refit, and not an entirely new creation, but also that it seems many still consider the refit to be the same vessel as the old Discovery, just augmented with 32nd century tech.

Sure, ship of Theseus arguments may pop up here and there over whether or not this vessel, despite having been built on the frame of the old Discovery, can be considered a new vessel as all of its parts have been replaced or whatever (as Decker considered the refit Enterprise to be "almost totally new" while Kirk still considered her to be the old Enterprise he had known during his command, as evidenced by his technical mistake during the wormhole scene), but as far as official nomenclature and registry goes, it's my belief that Starfleet considers new vessels to be "new" (and therefore deserving of a suffixed registry when applicable) when they have been built entirely "from scratch", as it were. Refitted, augmented vessels are still considered the same ship as their old selves, and therefore aren't deserving of a suffix because there is no reason to declare them separate vessels. They aren't "given" the honor of bearing the name of an old vessel because they are still that same vessel.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtjqVebp_Is

Paris: NuTrek Writers and Directors

Tuvok: NuTrek Critics

Captain Proton webseries plz.

That's actually a pretty fun idea now that I think of it. Don't even brand it as a Trek spinoff, no Trek references, just market it as its own thing, and let the Trek fans wink-wink nudge-nudge each other, while everyone else enjoys it as an old-style black-&-white sci-fi shenanigan. Secret-Hideout-free, of course.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

I expect more from TV shows that pride themselves on their movie quality SFX budgets.

One of the few things Kurtz Trek could be considered competent in and it fails at even that.

"It's so dense, every single image has so many things going on."

[Tarsonis]

am I crazy or did Yo Yo ma just play the opening stinger to TNG at the beginning of Amazing Grace?

[Myrensis]

??? Discovery's bridge is very distinct. Lots of open space and swooping curves, with almost a futuristic streamline moderne sensibility.

So much so that they used it as the bridge of the Zheng He in STP and half of ya'll didn't notice.

I don't care about sets being redressed, I was more annoyed by the half-assed CGI on the Zheng He, and the fact that they just cut and pasted it a hundred times.

How did DS9, with 90's CGI and a shoestring budget, have more convincing fleets than STP?

[New haven america]

So much so that they used it as the bridge of the Zheng He in STP and half of ya'll didn't notice.

I don't care about sets being redressed, I was more annoyed by the half-assed CGI on the Zheng He, and the fact that they just cut and pasted it a hundred times.

How did DS9, with 90's CGI and a shoestring budget, have more convincing fleets than STP?

Because the people who made DS9 actually liked Star Trek?

[Vassenor]

So much so that they used it as the bridge of the Zheng He in STP and half of ya'll didn't notice.

I don't care about sets being redressed, I was more annoyed by the half-assed CGI on the Zheng He, and the fact that they just cut and pasted it a hundred times.

How did DS9, with 90's CGI and a shoestring budget, have more convincing fleets than STP?

By recycling the CGI models made for First Contact for most of it.

[New haven america]

I don't care about sets being redressed, I was more annoyed by the half-assed CGI on the Zheng He, and the fact that they just cut and pasted it a hundred times.

How did DS9, with 90's CGI and a shoestring budget, have more convincing fleets than STP?

By recycling the CGI models made for First Contact for most of it.

Actually, pretty much all of DS9's effects were made for the series. (Unless somehow the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Breen, etc... were involved in First Contact too)

This is actually the reason why the ships blow up so easily in DS9, the shield effects were too expensive to pay for along with the models and CG work so they decided to just have the Jem'Hadar weapons be strong enough to destroy ships even with shields.

[Twilight Imperium]

Actually, pretty much all of DS9's effects were made for the series. (Unless somehow the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Breen, etc... were involved in First Contact too)

All of whom got... one or two new ship types. Same as STP.