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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
56
14%
Like it
92
23%
So-so
114
29%
Dislike it
44
11%
Hate it
90
23%
 
Total votes : 396

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Postby Rostavykhan » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:01 am

That's totally not a retarded jab at all.

In other news, I forgot that DS9 had Q episodes. Looking forward to those. I don't know when I'll get around to Voyager, though.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:22 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:That's totally not a retarded jab at all.

In other news, I forgot that DS9 had Q episodes. Looking forward to those. I don't know when I'll get around to Voyager, though.

Episode. As in one. He never reappears.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:03 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:That's totally not a retarded jab at all.

In other news, I forgot that DS9 had Q episodes. Looking forward to those. I don't know when I'll get around to Voyager, though.

Episode. As in one. He never reappears.

After what Sisko does, can you really blame him for not reappearing?
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:19 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Episode. As in one. He never reappears.

After what Sisko does, can you really blame him for not reappearing?


Yeah, He's an omnipowerful being. Does he even feel pain at being punched?
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Corparation wrote:After what Sisko does, can you really blame him for not reappearing?


Yeah, He's an omnipowerful being. Does he even feel pain at being punched?


I mean, that one episode, in hindsight, serves as a basis for proving that Sisko is a motherfucking badass. Like, I'm not sure of anything that happens before that point in the series, that elevates him above any other character from the other series.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:02 pm

While Sisko is a badass with a capital bad, I don't think Q was scared of him. I just think he found him less fun than Picard, so he never came back.
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Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Collatis » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:51 am

Ameriganastan wrote:While Sisko is a badass with a capital bad, I don't think Q was scared of him. I just think he found him less fun than Picard, so he never came back.

And he discovered that he much preferred Janeway ;)

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Postby Imperial isa » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:21 am

Collatis wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:While Sisko is a badass with a capital bad, I don't think Q was scared of him. I just think he found him less fun than Picard, so he never came back.

And he discovered that he much preferred Janeway ;)

He did try to sleep with her.
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Postby Collatis » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:05 am

Imperial isa wrote:
Collatis wrote:And he discovered that he much preferred Janeway ;)

He did try to sleep with her.

Don't forget, he slept with Picard too ;)

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Postby Imperial isa » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:13 am

Collatis wrote:
Imperial isa wrote:He did try to sleep with her.

Don't forget, he slept with Picard too ;)

Did you need to remind me of that ??

I hate you now :lol:
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Postby Collatis » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:47 am

Imperial isa wrote:
Collatis wrote:Don't forget, he slept with Picard too ;)

Did you need to remind me of that ??

I hate you now :lol:

There are much worse things that I could've reminded you of!

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:58 am

Collatis wrote:
Imperial isa wrote:Did you need to remind me of that ??

I hate you now :lol:

There are much worse things that I could've reminded you of!


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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:44 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Collatis wrote:There are much worse things that I could've reminded you of!


Nothing a few shots can't fix


Wasn't nearly as bad as the one from Profit and Lace.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:20 am

Grenartia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Nothing a few shots can't fix

Wasn't nearly as bad as the one from Profit and Lace.

That most certainly was a scene from Deep Space 9. Now I'm confused.


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Postby Auristania » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:51 pm

I love Discovery, but...

I care about the Characters, I want to know what happens next, but...

WTF have they done with the Klingons???

The story needs a race of Jehadi Lizards? Fine. Kardashians are already Nazi Lizards. Why not just call the Bad Guys Kardashi? You have exactly the same story.

Or call the Bad Guys any new name you like. Why Klingons?

And the Pope's slogan is "Remain Klingon" = Racial Purity. WTF?

Timeline:
Discovery is 100 years before Classic Trek, which is 100 years before TNG ish.
It took a century for Klingons to evolve from Hijabi Lizards to Swarthy People and another century to evolve to Rubber Foreheads. And they achieved that with Racial Purity???

You need a story with Hijabi Lizards? Fine. Just don't call those Hijabis "Klingons".

TNG Klingon monks made a Kahless Klone and Whorf supported the Klone.
Discovery' version of Kahless means that Worf did not just support the Klone, he supported the Klan.

Up to now, Worf has been portrayed as honourable and well-intentioned.
In that episode Worf supported Kahless.
Discovery portrays Kahless as a regular Space Nazi.

Kahless was 2000 years ago, Kahless is Klingon Jesus. Over the millennia there are stories about him.

Suppose Historical Kahless were the Space Nazi, but the stories were about Kahless being honourable, then Worf supporting him fits.

Discovery makes everybody know that Kahless is a Nazi in historical times.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:37 pm

New Orville was pretty interesting.
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Ameri does the impossible.
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Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:37 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:New Orville was pretty interesting.


Was watching hockey. Won't see it till tomorrow.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:28 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:New Orville was pretty interesting.


I forgot to catch it. I really need to catch the next one, though.

I've been taking it slow with DS9 still. Been too into JJBA recently.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:00 pm

Ah, now that's how you make a social commentary. Well done Seth.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Auristania » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:06 pm

Space Oirish Up the long Ladder versus Fairhaven.

UtlL is a TNG episode: there are 50 Space Oirish with all the Classic clichés versus 5 civilized clones.

FHvn is a VOY episode: Tom builds a holodeck program of a town full of classic Oirish clichés and Janeway congratulates Tom because it is so authentic. She falls in love with the holographic barman of the holographic town.

It would be racist if they did those episodes about Blacks.
Likewise, such issues need to be addressed.

Which is worse? UtlL or FHvn?
Fairhaven is worse. Both have racist jokes, but funny racist jokes like UtlL are less evil than unfunny racist jokes like Fhvn.

Likewise, at the end of UtlL, the Oirish win versus their White Overlords and FHvn is the White Overlords winning versus the Oirish.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:01 am

Auristania wrote:It would be racist if they did those episodes about Blacks.


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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:04 am

Grenartia wrote:
Auristania wrote:It would be racist if they did those episodes about Blacks.


Apparently, you don't know...

It's Auristania. Of course he doesn't know. I think he just skims random Memory Alpha pages, and pretends he actually watches it.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:10 am

Auristania wrote:Space Oirish Up the long Ladder versus Fairhaven.

UtlL is a TNG episode: there are 50 Space Oirish with all the Classic clichés versus 5 civilized clones.

FHvn is a VOY episode: Tom builds a holodeck program of a town full of classic Oirish clichés and Janeway congratulates Tom because it is so authentic. She falls in love with the holographic barman of the holographic town.

It would be racist if they did those episodes about Blacks.
Likewise, such issues need to be addressed.

Which is worse? UtlL or FHvn?
Fairhaven is worse. Both have racist jokes, but funny racist jokes like UtlL are less evil than unfunny racist jokes like Fhvn.

Likewise, at the end of UtlL, the Oirish win versus their White Overlords and FHvn is the White Overlords winning versus the Oirish.


I'm Irish, our culture is one of the most over used, over appropriated, and over parodied, in populr culture. We don't give a shit, because we're not whiney bitches. We'll eat a bowl of lucky charms and wash it down with green beer, don't care.
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:16 am

Tarsonis wrote:
I'm Irish, our culture is one of the most over used, over appropriated, and over parodied, in populr culture. We don't give a shit, because we're not whiney bitches. We'll eat a bowl of lucky charms and wash it down with green beer, don't care.

Amen, brother.
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Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out

Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:06 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Auristania wrote:Space Oirish Up the long Ladder versus Fairhaven.

UtlL is a TNG episode: there are 50 Space Oirish with all the Classic clichés versus 5 civilized clones.

FHvn is a VOY episode: Tom builds a holodeck program of a town full of classic Oirish clichés and Janeway congratulates Tom because it is so authentic. She falls in love with the holographic barman of the holographic town.

It would be racist if they did those episodes about Blacks.
Likewise, such issues need to be addressed.

Which is worse? UtlL or FHvn?
Fairhaven is worse. Both have racist jokes, but funny racist jokes like UtlL are less evil than unfunny racist jokes like Fhvn.

Likewise, at the end of UtlL, the Oirish win versus their White Overlords and FHvn is the White Overlords winning versus the Oirish.


I'm Irish, our culture is one of the most over used, over appropriated, and over parodied, in populr culture. We don't give a shit, because we're not whiney bitches. We'll eat a bowl of lucky charms and wash it down with green beer, don't care.

While certain Irish over in Europe laugh at us.

I'm pretty sure they're just jealous because of our lack of caring.
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