Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

I never understood why the Borg didn't embrace the idea of Unimatrix zero. I mean, it wouldn't interrupt their efficiency as people only logged into it during regeneration cycles. But also, think of that tagline on the whole recruitment hail? How many people would actually sign up for assimilation?

""We are the Borg. Existence, as you know it, is over. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile...."


OH Shit...

"...oh and BTW while yes you're gonna be a drone for most of the day, we'll also upload your consciousness into our ever evolving matrix where you can let your implants down, and have fun with your fellow Borg and pretty much any fantasy you ever had can come true, for ever as long as you don't die during your day job."

I mean, that's remarkably similar to my daily life now, only way better....Gentleborg, before you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.

[Immoren]

First contact is the best ST movie in my opinion. Some of its effects still hold up really well imo, like the battle with the borg cube early on.

Absolutely, it's definitely a stand-out film and an awesome piece of Trek. The effects just look so... real, and everything has so much weight to it.

I mean, except New Zealand.

New Zealand sank into ocean during WWIII/Eugenics Wars/whatever?

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Absolutely, it's definitely a stand-out film and an awesome piece of Trek. The effects just look so... real, and everything has so much weight to it.

I mean, except New Zealand.

New Zealand sank into ocean during WWIII/Eugenics Wars/whatever?

Yeah, too many nukes.

Everyone else was so mad at their freedom that they just sank 'em for the hell of it.

[Tarsonis]

New Zealand sank into ocean during WWIII/Eugenics Wars/whatever?

Yeah, too many nukes.

Everyone else was so mad at their freedom that they just sank 'em for the hell of it.

So Tom was imprisoned on New NeW Zealand?

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Yeah, too many nukes.

Everyone else was so mad at their freedom that they just sank 'em for the hell of it.

So Tom was imprisoned on New NeW Zealand?

A holoship hovers over where New Zealand once was.

[Tarsonis]

Man, HoloBarclay is charismatic

[Tarsonis]

Body and soul is such a cringetastic episode but damn does Jerri flex her acting chops.

[Myrensis]

Body and soul is such a cringetastic episode but damn does Jerri flex her acting chops.

It's kind of ironic that she was brought on pretty explicitly to up the T&A factor, and was not only a great actress but ended up being one of the best developed and written characters.

It really was the Janeway/Doctor/Seven show.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

First contact is the best ST movie in my opinion. Some of its effects still hold up really well imo, like the battle with the borg cube early on.

FC was certainly the best of the TNG movies..but they never really found their footing, so that puts it somewhere above 5 and 3, but below the rest of the TOS movies. Possibly in competition with TMP depending on your tolerance for Star Trek does 2001...

Man, why does everyone hate 3 so much? OK, the last ~20 minutes or so aren't great, but that first hour, hour:15... that shit is top notch. Also contains the single most badass Kirk line in the entire franchise (no, not the one South Park quoted). Along with 4, the rest of the crew has the most awesome stuff to do in the TOS films besides sit on the bridge and push buttons and report whatever shit is going on. Along with 2, Shatner has some actual, honest-to-god acting.

Sure, there are better whole movies featuring that crew, but it doesn't deserve to be shoved in the garbage bin of being mentioned alongside 5.

[Tarsonis]

Body and soul is such a cringetastic episode but damn does Jerri flex her acting chops.

It's kind of ironic that she was brought on pretty explicitly to up the T&A factor, and was not only a great actress but ended up being one of the best developed and written characters.

It really was the Janeway/Doctor/Seven show.

Except for the whole, completely contrived ChakAnica

[New haven america]

FC was certainly the best of the TNG movies..but they never really found their footing, so that puts it somewhere above 5 and 3, but below the rest of the TOS movies. Possibly in competition with TMP depending on your tolerance for Star Trek does 2001...

Man, why does everyone hate 3 so much? OK, the last ~20 minutes or so aren't great, but that first hour, hour:15... that shit is top notch. Also contains the single most badass Kirk line in the entire franchise (no, not the one South Park quoted). Along with 4, the rest of the crew has the most awesome stuff to do in the TOS films besides sit on the bridge and push buttons and report whatever shit is going on. Along with 2, Shatner has some actual, honest-to-god acting.

Sure, there are better whole movies featuring that crew, but it doesn't deserve to be shoved in the garbage bin of being mentioned alongside 5.

It's because of when it came out, right between the dramatic masterpiece that was TWoK and the comedic masterpiece that was TVH.

Also, teenage Spock banging and possibly impregnating Saavik is pretty weird.

[Crysuko]

Body and soul is such a cringetastic episode but damn does Jerri flex her acting chops.

It's kind of ironic that she was brought on pretty explicitly to up the T&A factor, and was not only a great actress but ended up being one of the best developed and written characters.

It really was the Janeway/Doctor/Seven show.

I remember reading that Robert Beltran had to throw a fit at the director to pull him back into focus or he'd walk and never come back. So they hanged him by the red string for it. There's also the famous "do you want to copulate" scene which Ryan and Garret Wang absolutely hated but Beltran found hilarious for pure schadenfreude, him laughing wasn't scripted but they left it in.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Man, why does everyone hate 3 so much? OK, the last ~20 minutes or so aren't great, but that first hour, hour:15... that shit is top notch. Also contains the single most badass Kirk line in the entire franchise (no, not the one South Park quoted). Along with 4, the rest of the crew has the most awesome stuff to do in the TOS films besides sit on the bridge and push buttons and report whatever shit is going on. Along with 2, Shatner has some actual, honest-to-god acting.

Sure, there are better whole movies featuring that crew, but it doesn't deserve to be shoved in the garbage bin of being mentioned alongside 5.

It's because of when it came out, right between the dramatic masterpiece that was TWoK and the comedic masterpiece that was TVH.

Also, teenage Spock banging and possibly impregnating Saavik is pretty weird.

...

yeah, that's fair.

But still.

[New haven america]

Why is it STD looks "Futuristic" by modern standards but STP is going for a retro 21st look, despite taking place after STD?

Like seriously, STD despite being closer timeline wise to the retro look of TOS is trying its damndest to not look like TOS, while STP have embraced using a tech and clothing aesthetic that looks closer to 21st century tech than 24th/25th century tech. Take the replicators in STP for example, which are literally modern day 3D printers, or how everyone is going for the tightfitting clothing style of today when in TNG/DS9/Voy standard human clothes looked like mono-gendered rags.

Wouldn't it make more sense for STD to go for the Retro-futurist look while STP has the more modern standard future aesthetic?

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Why is it STD looks "Futuristic" by modern standards but STP is going for a retro 21st look, despite taking place after STD?

Like seriously, STD despite being closer timeline wise to the retro look of TOS is trying its damndest to not look like TOS, while STP have embraced using a tech and clothing aesthetic that looks closer to 21st century tech than 24th/25th century tech. Take the replicators in STP for example, which are literally modern day 3D printers, or how everyone is going for the tightfitting clothing style of today when in TNG/DS9/Voy standard human clothes looked like mono-gendered rags.

Wouldn't it make more sense for STD to go for the Retro-futurist look while STP has the more modern standard future aesthetic?

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

[Tarsonis]

Why is it STD looks "Futuristic" by modern standards but STP is going for a retro 21st look, despite taking place after STD?

Like seriously, STD despite being closer timeline wise to the retro look of TOS is trying its damndest to not look like TOS, while STP have embraced using a tech and clothing aesthetic that looks closer to 21st century tech than 24th/25th century tech. Take the replicators in STP for example, which are literally modern day 3D printers, or how everyone is going for the tightfitting clothing style of today when in TNG/DS9/Voy standard human clothes looked like mono-gendered rags.

Wouldn't it make more sense for STD to go for the Retro-futurist look while STP has the more modern standard future aesthetic?

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

As I explained earlier, had they done that, CBS would have received a massive lawsuit from Viacom. CBS now owns Viacom, but didn't at the time Disco season 1 was being produced. So they went with something similar to the Abramsverse asthetic instead of the original. Disco is supposed to look like a proto ST09 not a proto TOS.

[Crysuko]

Why is it STD looks "Futuristic" by modern standards but STP is going for a retro 21st look, despite taking place after STD?

Like seriously, STD despite being closer timeline wise to the retro look of TOS is trying its damndest to not look like TOS, while STP have embraced using a tech and clothing aesthetic that looks closer to 21st century tech than 24th/25th century tech. Take the replicators in STP for example, which are literally modern day 3D printers, or how everyone is going for the tightfitting clothing style of today when in TNG/DS9/Voy standard human clothes looked like mono-gendered rags.

Wouldn't it make more sense for STD to go for the Retro-futurist look while STP has the more modern standard future aesthetic?

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

it all gets easier if you assume STD is Kurtzman's highly advanced fanfiction. it's so unfitting to canon that it just won't fit no matter how you slice it.

[New haven america]

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

it all gets easier if you assume STD is Kurtzman's highly advanced fanfiction. it's so unfitting to canon that it just won't fit no matter how you slice it.

I mean, that's what he wanted.

Remember, we have it on video that he doesn't thinks old ST is inspiring and that he's never liked it because he thought it was too smart and philosophical.

[New haven america]

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

As I explained earlier, had they done that, CBS would have received a massive lawsuit from Viacom. CBS now owns Viacom, but didn't at the time Disco season 1 was being produced. So they went with something similar to the Abramsverse asthetic instead of the original. Disco is supposed to look like a proto ST09 not a proto TOS.

Yes, all those ST fan productions that based everything off of TOS' aesthetic were at the mercy of Paramount/Viacom's legal team.

Remind me, which company sued the production team of Axanar?

[Tarsonis]

As I explained earlier, had they done that, CBS would have received a massive lawsuit from Viacom. CBS now owns Viacom, but didn't at the time Disco season 1 was being produced. So they went with something similar to the Abramsverse asthetic instead of the original. Disco is supposed to look like a proto ST09 not a proto TOS.

Yes, all those ST fan productions that based everything off of TOS' aesthetic were at the mercy of Paramount/Viacom's legal team.

Remind me, which company sued the production team of Axanar?

Both did, CBS and Paramount, for 1.

2. Fanmade works are subject to free use laws, and things like that, making it somewhat of a different case.

3. In the settlement, the Axanar producers agreed specifically to change the aesthetics.


Gosh it's almost like that's exactly what I said...

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

it all gets easier if you assume STD is Kurtzman's highly advanced fanfiction. it's so unfitting to canon that it just won't fit no matter how you slice it.

I mean, that's what he wanted.

Remember, we have it on video that he doesn't thinks old ST is inspiring and that he's never liked it because he thought it was too smart and philosophical.

I remember after Beyond came out that there was sort of an air of hope among Trek fans (at least the ones I spoke to/watched/subscribed to). Like almost a "things'll turn out alright" sigh of relief. Everyone had sour memories of getting absolutely battered by Into Darkness but still had that optimism for the future of Trek on its spiritual home of TV.

Then Discovery happened and everyone was battered by that, too.

Then Picard was touted to be the saving grace of NuTrek. Release this and all of the sins of NuTrek will be cleansed, thought everybody. I remember first catching wind of a Picard trailer and my breath legitimately caught in my throat. I mean, Jean-Luc Picard was gonna make his triumphant return back to Star Trek! There's no way Kurtzman is gonna mess this up, can he? Right?

I miss that feeling.

[New haven america]

Yes, all those ST fan productions that based everything off of TOS' aesthetic were at the mercy of Paramount/Viacom's legal team.

Remind me, which company sued the production team of Axanar?

Both did, CBS and Paramount, for 1.

2. Fanmade works are subject to free use laws, and things like that, making it somewhat of a different case.

3. In the settlement, the Axanar producers agreed specifically to change the aesthetics.


Gosh it's almost like that's exactly what I said...

Nope, only CBS, Paramount didn't give a shit.

Why didn't they give a shit? Because they owned the rights to the movies, not the TV series (And btw, standard TOS uniforms didn't appear in an ST movie until ST09), which means that they don't care about them using TOS uniforms because those uniform rights were under CBS (Notice that Paramount actually stopped using those uniform after the train wreck that was Into Darkness, which is around the same time CBS sued thee crew of Axanar)

[Myrensis]

Because STD is the point where everything went wrong for the Kurtzman Federation (Kurtz-eration?), and now in STP everyone is poor and cannot afford fancy biomimetic shirts with inertial dampeners in them. Because, er, sHUT UP, SHUT yer mouth it's time for plot, for PLOT, ya hear?

But, in all seriousness, I would have totally eaten up a show where they went for the same general aesthetic as in TOS, but modernized. Enough with the slick, sleak blues and metallic greys that literally go hand-in-hand with generic futurism, I want isolated purple lighting. I want red, green, and yellow buttons and plumbing all over the ship. I want warbles and blorps and chirps every time somebody presses something (enough with mixing in all these sounds from different time periods). I mean, build the sets using the larger budget available, of course, but still make them faithful to the style of TOS without making it some sort of parody. TOS was unique, it stands out in style from other sci-fi, and it looks fun.

it all gets easier if you assume STD is Kurtzman's highly advanced fanfiction. it's so unfitting to canon that it just won't fit no matter how you slice it.

My new theory is that Kurtzman didn't actually want to do Star Trek at all, he wanted his own generic sci-fi series, but they told him he had to do Trek. So he just did his own generic series anyway, but occasionally has people say Star Trek words to make the suits happy.

That's how we end up with the Federation just being Trump America in space, and whatsisname telling the tragic story of how his friend put a PHA-ZOR in his mouth and splattered his brains across the wall with a PHA-ZOR bullet.

[New haven america]

it all gets easier if you assume STD is Kurtzman's highly advanced fanfiction. it's so unfitting to canon that it just won't fit no matter how you slice it.

My new theory is that Kurtzman didn't actually want to do Star Trek at all, he wanted his own generic sci-fi series, but they told him he had to do Trek. So he just did his own generic series anyway, but occasionally has people say Star Trek words to make the suits happy.

That's how we end up with the Federation just being Trump America in space, and whatsisname telling the tragic story of how his friend put a PHA-ZOR in his mouth and splattered his brains across the wall with a PHA-ZOR bullet.

No no, Kurtzman wants to work on ST.

He just wants to make it how he believes it should've been done all along, because he never liked ST but always liked SW so why not take what he likes about SW and graft it onto a franchise he doesn't like? (Remember, he doesn't like ST because its too smart and philosophical)

[New haven america]

What are the chances of getting a petition started and getting Amazon or Netflix to buy ST?

Cause like, CBS doesn't like it because it doesn't bring in the big bucks they were hoping it would, and the CEO's of both companies are giant Sci-Fi geeks (Netflix and Amazon both have tons of old and obscure Sci-Fi shows in their constant rotation, and have all ST series except for the Kurtz Trek shows as mainstays), with one of them even going so far as to buy the rights of The Expanse because he liked the show that much and wanted to see it continue. I can totally see it happening, CBS sells the franchise for like $2 Bil. and the people in charge stop the rape of the franchise by putting people who actually know or like the shows in charge.