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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
22
13%
Like it
43
25%
So-so
51
30%
Dislike it
21
12%
Hate it
34
20%
 
Total votes : 171

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:51 am

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You'd probably have to go to the mods for permission, I'd guess.

My interest is in your opinion of my intent to rule the thread like a brutal Cardassian dictator, I'm well aware of proper procedure.


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Postby New haven america » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:15 pm

Bralia wrote:You know, I'm finally fed up with the fact that the OP of the thread is basically dead and their boring-ass poll that's literally been there ever since I first entered the thread. Would people be cool if this thread was shot by a disruptor so I could take over and liven the place up a bit?

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Postby Auristania » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:12 pm

So if Initial thoughts on DIS is a boring Poll, let's Poll thoughts on finale. Do we need spoilers?

Michael is such a Mary Sue. She started as the Focus of the Show, now she is the Focus of the whole fracking Galaxy.
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Time Travel if designed because Michael is the most important person in the entire Universe.
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Pike in the Davos chair This was extablished canon in Classic Trek and referenced in the Prophecy. Neatly done.
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Therefore the next Poll should score Michael mary Sue? 0 to 10. I votes 100 And when that is done, the thrid Poll should score how well they resolve the Pike in Davos chair prophecy? 0 to 10, I votes 8

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:54 am

Christ, are we really back at the Mary Sue whining?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:24 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Prosorusiya wrote:So here’s a few questions for y’all to chew on:

1. What, properly speaking, should the department color for a historian be? Some cannon sources say red, like McGyvers in TOS although she technically had a separate duty as a phaser gunner according to the script. Some TNG sources point towards the blue sciences department... but then you run into the issue of is history a science? Really the writers probably should have made that the “research” department of Starfleet more tha science but hey hindsight.


History is a social science. But beyond that really ST tends to ignore the "historian" profession and instead emphasizes archeologists who are as far as I'm aware a type of scientist. So blue really.


The ships archeologist of the Enterprise (Marla Aster) indeed wore blue.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:07 am

Juristonia wrote:Christ, are we really back at the Mary Sue whining?


That's what happens when a show or film dares to put a feeeeemale in the lead role.
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Postby Bralia » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:00 am

The kind of revelation that only comes when showering:

Tasha Yar

Tal Shiar

Tasha Yar

Tal Shiar


The perfect deception is the one right in front of us. The true founder and leader of the elite Romulan intelligence force was the one closest with its enemies.
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:48 am

You know, the infamous scene where Riker tells Picard to shut up and stop talking, and Deanna Troi stating the most ridiculously obvious thing ever makes a whole lot more sense when you take into account that the place and people were all a fantasy. The being behind the fantasy was backpedaling hard enough that its understandable that it would say dumb shit in increasingly desperate attempts to maintain the illusion. It clearly made a mistake even when under less pressure when it accidentally let slip the Ambassador Tomalak gaffe.

I've been specifically paying attention to Troi during this series re-watch, the stereotype that Troi is useless and states the obvious really doesn't seem to hold up. She's way more useful than people give her credit for.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:48 am

Bralia wrote:You know, the infamous scene where Riker tells Picard to shut up and stop talking, and Deanna Troi stating the most ridiculously obvious thing ever makes a whole lot more sense when you take into account that the place and people were all a fantasy. The being behind the fantasy was backpedaling hard enough that its understandable that it would say dumb shit in increasingly desperate attempts to maintain the illusion. It clearly made a mistake even when under less pressure when it accidentally let slip the Ambassador Tomalak gaffe.

I've been specifically paying attention to Troi during this series re-watch, the stereotype that Troi is useless and states the obvious really doesn't seem to hold up. She's way more useful than people give her credit for.


I mean Marina has stated she thinks Troi only got competent after they put her in a normal uniform.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:03 am

Bralia wrote:The kind of revelation that only comes when showering:

Tasha Yar

Tal Shiar

Tasha Yar

Tal Shiar


The perfect deception is the one right in front of us. The true founder and leader of the elite Romulan intelligence force was the one closest with its enemies.


Sadly, the novels teach us that the Tal Shiar was already around in Archers time.
If we ignore those though.. I do not believe there is anything in the series that contradicts your idea. So I shall embrace it and call it true.
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Postby Earthbound immortal squad » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:07 am

Vassenor wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Christ, are we really back at the Mary Sue whining?


That's what happens when a show or film dares to put a feeeeemale in the lead role.


To be fair to the best of my knowledge I don't think that happened with Kate Mulgrew in Voyager.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:27 am

Earthbound immortal squad wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That's what happens when a show or film dares to put a feeeeemale in the lead role.


To be fair to the best of my knowledge I don't think that happened with Kate Mulgrew in Voyager.

Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".
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Postby Ism » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:06 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Earthbound immortal squad wrote:
To be fair to the best of my knowledge I don't think that happened with Kate Mulgrew in Voyager.

Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".


Funnily enough, two descriptors not actually incompatible with a mary sue. Nowadays, mary sue is usually used as a shorthand for a character, usually female, who is deemed by the speaker to be too strong/good at everything, but it's really more of an umbrella term. While a mary sue's creator rarely thinks of their creation as either, though they sometimes are purposely incompetent, often mary sues act in insane or stupid ways, and only succeed because the creator wants them too.

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Postby Imperial isa » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:24 pm

The amount of explosives pack into ever console on federation ships , how come they don't blow up altogether with the first hit in battle?
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:01 pm

Imperial isa wrote:The amount of explosives pack into ever console on federation ships , how come they don't blow up altogether with the first hit in battle?


That's because of all the rocks they pack in there, silly.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:22 am

Imperial isa wrote:The amount of explosives pack into ever console on federation ships , how come they don't blow up altogether with the first hit in battle?



I’m surprised nobody has filed an OSHA report yet
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Postby Auristania » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:12 pm

Imperial isa wrote:The amount of explosives pack into ever console on federation ships , how come they don't blow up altogether with the first hit in battle?

Where else would you store explosives? Next to the children's play area? That is already used for dangerous diseases.
I’m surprised nobody has filed an OSHA report yet
Fed has "evolved" beyond Health and Safety, that is why heavy barrels must never be tied down.
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Postby Ism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:35 pm

Auristania wrote:
Imperial isa wrote:The amount of explosives pack into ever console on federation ships , how come they don't blow up altogether with the first hit in battle?

Where else would you store explosives? Next to the children's play area? That is already used for dangerous diseases.
I’m surprised nobody has filed an OSHA report yet
Fed has "evolved" beyond Health and Safety, that is why heavy barrels must never be tied down.


You don't need to tie things down if you have inertial dampeners. Never you mind that those things shut down if you look at them funny.

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Postby Earthbound immortal squad » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:46 pm

Ism wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".


Funnily enough, two descriptors not actually incompatible with a mary sue. Nowadays, mary sue is usually used as a shorthand for a character, usually female, who is deemed by the speaker to be too strong/good at everything, but it's really more of an umbrella term. While a mary sue's creator rarely thinks of their creation as either, though they sometimes are purposely incompetent, often mary sues act in insane or stupid ways, and only succeed because the creator wants them too.


It's quite tragic really, to promote female empowerment all they would need to do is make a female character who has the same or similar strengths and weaknesses to another male character in a similar setting. Instead they go the the other extreme of the spectra, aka Mary Sue. In the long run I think this whole situation will do more harm than good to whatever they are trying to do. Ironically this same problem is also occurring in Star wars and Doctor who so sci-fi is getting it hard at the moment.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:46 pm

Ism wrote:
Auristania wrote:Where else would you store explosives? Next to the children's play area? That is already used for dangerous diseases.
Fed has "evolved" beyond Health and Safety, that is why heavy barrels must never be tied down.


You don't need to tie things down if you have inertial dampeners. Never you mind that those things shut down if you look at them funny.


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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:57 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Earthbound immortal squad wrote:To be fair to the best of my knowledge I don't think that happened with Kate Mulgrew in Voyager.

Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".

What episode was it that Janeway was prejudiced as fuck towards holograms? I cringed when she did that, as I assumed that she'd know better.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:00 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".

What episode was it that Janeway was prejudiced as fuck towards holograms? I cringed when she did that, as I assumed that she'd know better.


To be fair, she didn’t hate holograms, she just removed the competition like a cold blooded boss
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Postby Ameriganastan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:03 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Janeway wishes people would accuse her of being a Mary-Sue. When you mention her, the first words you typically hear are "Insane" or "Incompetent".

What episode was it that Janeway was prejudiced as fuck towards holograms? I cringed when she did that, as I assumed that she'd know better.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:11 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What episode was it that Janeway was prejudiced as fuck towards holograms? I cringed when she did that, as I assumed that she'd know better.

Latent Image?

Yes that's it. She compares him to a malfunctioning replicator or something. :roll:
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Postby Ameriganastan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:16 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Latent Image?

Yes that's it. She compares him to a malfunctioning replicator or something. :roll:

In fairness, she does come around after Seven verbally bitchsmacks her.
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