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Complaint against Kalasparata (petition)

Postby Jungastia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:05 am

I will apologize now to the mod team if I cause any offence. But to the Mods I would like to say, that surely, with all the arguments and issues Kalasparata causes,wouldn't it be easier on yourselves and the community at large, to remove him/her from the game. Now I understand that it might seem as if I am jumping on the bandwagon, but I have resisted saying something 'till now.

I feel that doing what I have said, will remove the temptation of users to rant against him/her, and lessen your workloads of having to watch every thread he/she creates.

He/She has been a member for a while now and has been offered help and assistance, but has turned them all down (to the best of my knowledge) and not followed the accepted norm and processes of the game.

I dont know how many people I am speak for if any, but I felt it needed to be said

Unlike Many I dont see the fact that he has posted as an excuse to exhibit poor behavior or ban him, what I see, is a game I (as do many people) feel passionately about, and one who standards i think need to be upheld, Yes I could see a point in defending him if he was very new, but he isn't, there are newer players who are less hostile to help and who have learned to play the game in the correct way. And whilt is is ok to do everything de jure and I can see you reasons for doing that I feel that many people myself included would agree that the game would be better off without him. I think in the nature of the game his actions of failing to learn or let himself be taught is itself inviting people to respond in a poor manner.

To be frank, I can see why users have a hard time ignoring what Kalasparata does; it is like someone putting up a middle finger at you from inside their house, i.e. highly provocative and filled with malice and smugness.

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The mod dealing with the particular thread and others have stated that we have to ignore Kalasparata. May i refer readers to the above statement.

Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). While Trolls often make these posts strictly in an attempt to provoke negative comment, it is still trolling even if you actually hold those beliefs. Intent is difficult to prove over the internet, so mods will work under their best assumptions.

Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Trolling is also is used to refer to making obviously silly topics that people nonetheless will reply to, despite all common sense. Don't feed the trolls.


From the unsatisfactory response given to my argument, by lack of consideration. I have felt it necessary to create a petition.

Whilst this may be unacceptable it is something that i feel entirely necessary.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT

We, The Undersigned, petition the Moderation Team to either ban, or launch an inquiry into the behaviour of The Central Democratic Republic of Kalasparata, hereby known as Kalasparata. We feel that the behaviour of Kalasparata undermines the integrity and method of the NationStates Game.

Please sign below stating your FULL NATION TITLE ONLY

Pleas keep any unrelated posts out of this thread 0 signatures only
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Postby Jungastia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:06 am

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Postby La Habana » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:16 am

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(I may have just signed my death warrant by signing this, but the Kalasparatan situation has reached a crisis point.)
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Postby Blademasters765 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:18 am

So tempted to sign but I wont...yet
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Postby The Voltania » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:19 am

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Postby Pythria » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:22 am

I'm not going to sign this. Where else am I going to get my free entertainment?
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Postby Knowlandia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:24 am

Learn to not feed the trolls and this petition condeming some little kid would never happen.
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Postby Jungastia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:25 am

Please read it all , this is a serious post, and I have CLEARLY asked for all issues to be discussed elsewhere.
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Postby Kryozerkia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:50 am

Firstly, this did not belong in the Got Issues forum, contrary to what the forum title may imply. Secondly, this is being locked as the current ongoing situation is being evaluated by the Mods. While we do this, we ask for people's patience and understanding. Your grievances are legitimate and all arguments are being considered. There are a lot of guilty parties in this and the extent of their guilt, intent and involvement is being looked at carefully with all factors being carefully and deliberately considered.

Jungastia, it may be slow but some times the Moderation process doesn't happen overnight, especially when there are a great number of threads over which an issue spans. We will consider those threads and the like.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:36 am

We don't enforce rules or remove people by petition.

Perhaps you could instead use the /IGNORE/FOE function, as you've been told repeatedly, so that no one has to see a post from a player they don't like?

Perhaps you could NOT click on his threads if you find them offensive?
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:51 am

I've seen loads of ridiculous things posted over the years - I've seen ridiculous things posted by a good many of the players making such a fuss over Kalasparta. The difference is they've managed to be accepted by some of their peers, and he hasn't.

This gradeschool attitude of bullying and singling players out has got to stop. He isn't the first to suffer from it, and I'm sure he won't be the last - but I don't care what player is being targeted. The fact remains it isn't right, harassment isn't allowed, and like it or not, you DO have tools at your disposal to help prevent the reactionary posting that seems to be getting some of you into trouble.

Ignore features - use them. Self control - get some. How many times do people have to be told that they do not have to react or post to every little thing someone else does before you get it into your heads that this is a free-form role-play environment, and you can and will see things you may not like or agree with? He's got as much right to try and play as the rest of you. If he makes choices that limit his playing field, that's his problem - same as with any of us.

No one of us, nor any group of us, has the right to police the role-play forums and dictate what can and can't be written, so long as what's being written falls within the OFFICIAL rules of the site - regardless of what 'accepted rules' have been developed by the various factions posting in the forums.

Be as irritated as you like about what someone else posts for their nation. But start up the dogpiling and harassment, and you'll get slapped down, end of. This sort of petitioning to get someone removed just because you don't like them, or feel you're somehow superior in your method of posting or play has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts at making oneself feel superior that I've seen on the forums in a good long while now.

You really want to show you're better? Rise above it and stop stooping to poor behavior in response.


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