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Anagonia
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Postby Anagonia » Tue May 02, 2023 12:15 pm

Hello,

I thank the Moderation and Staff for allowing such a progressive and open dialogue between members of the community and themselves. This process, while tiring and requiring great effort, is greatly appreciated. Just as I as a truck driver must spend time with the several communities I administrate, own, run, and assist in, I understand fully the requirements of the staff to spend precious time here to address this issue. I also understand that the moderator responsible for the decision of deletion did so on the grounds of being too busy to properly and adequately handle the situation.

We are all only human.

If this has been any other individual then perhaps the backlash to the community and from the community would not have been as massive. In fact, doing such a procedure to handle such content with very little time to address the issue is a common practice in many communities with extensive members and little staff. However, the failure here was the staff not realizing the individual in question, their past poor decisions of enforcement, and their lack of care for a very seated and inspiring and long standing member of this community. Wrongs have been done on both sides, however there is only one clear solution to moving forward.

You must, you must, consider heavily retracting your poor decision of deletion. Moving forward, I encourage and in fact implore you to get with Kraven and apply an appropriate punishment that assists in this players learning of rules and procedures you all failed to enforce. This will show the community you are willing to take a step back and rethink your approach as well as being progressive and helpful. Furthermore, if you consider the events trauma and lesson enough for the player, you can make a community announcement to assist further players in possible violations so you can adequately follow the rules you, again, failed to properly and responsibly enforce.

I encourage the staff to undo the harm they have caused, to help the player reacquaint with your professionalism and hospitality, and help the community see your benevolent behavior and willingness to move with the community and evolve as well as present progressive behavior. Then, and only then, do I recommend the staff moving forward snd establishing a clear and concise method of enforcing rules progressively and with care.

The way this situation has been handled has absolutely demolished and destroyed the trust between the community and the staff. That trust is rebuilding thanks to all of your wonderful efforts at ensuring we have a voice. If we continue with this behavior, we can build on this critical success so you can properly enforce the rules with the communities greatest cooperation. But wrongs must be undone so the community can learn to cooperate again. Help us trust you.

You have done so fantastically. I applaud your advances and your critical successes. I am positive a greater outcome can come from this horrible situation where we can undo this policy of retroactive enforcement and replace it with a mature and professional approach so we as players can work with the staff and moderation. We want to work with you. Help us help you.

Thank you for allowing me to speak.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Tue May 02, 2023 4:46 pm

NSG is bad enough with the whole "fishing for reasons to report my ideological opponent" thing. Now, angry NSGers will have an even more ridiculous way of getting their detractors the nasty red text, for instance by seeing if someone has ever used the dreaded n-word in roleplay or something nearly 20 years ago.

On a separate note, if you're an RPer and you haven't moved to another medium for general worldbuilding or at the very least backed your stuff up, you're wrong. The most innocuous things from 15 years ago are going to be the swastikas of the future, and that's not even a purely NS-thing; Max Barry is a publicly known author and cancel-able, and with the purity spiral of modern culture, you will be in the sights eventually.
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Postby The Second Order of Life » Tue May 02, 2023 5:31 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:NSG is bad enough with the whole "fishing for reasons to report my ideological opponent" thing. Now, angry NSGers will have an even more ridiculous way of getting their detractors the nasty red text, for instance by seeing if someone has ever used the dreaded n-word in roleplay or something nearly 20 years ago.

On a separate note, if you're an RPer and you haven't moved to another medium for general worldbuilding or at the very least backed your stuff up, you're wrong. The most innocuous things from 15 years ago are going to be the swastikas of the future, and that's not even a purely NS-thing; Max Barry is a publicly known author and cancel-able, and with the purity spiral of modern culture, you will be in the sights eventually.


Do try to keep your political concerns - fascist ones at that - away from this otherwise good-faith discussion thread; it had been an enjoyable read up until this point.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 02, 2023 5:40 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:NSG is bad enough with the whole "fishing for reasons to report my ideological opponent" thing. Now, angry NSGers will have an even more ridiculous way of getting their detractors the nasty red text, for instance by seeing if someone has ever used the dreaded n-word in roleplay or something nearly 20 years ago.

On a separate note, if you're an RPer and you haven't moved to another medium for general worldbuilding or at the very least backed your stuff up, you're wrong. The most innocuous things from 15 years ago are going to be the swastikas of the future, and that's not even a purely NS-thing; Max Barry is a publicly known author and cancel-able, and with the purity spiral of modern culture, you will be in the sights eventually.


You could have reduced all of that by simply stating something the lines of;

Rules and views change overtime. What is needed is a little leeway by granting a person a chance to correct or delete offending material which later violates rules.
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Postby Saor Alba » Wed May 03, 2023 9:13 am

I have no skin in the game as someone who does not actively participate in the RP communities, but I share the sentiment of many that the retroactive punishment is not a good thing and I would like to voice my concern about it.
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Postby Kasja » Wed May 03, 2023 11:47 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:NSG is bad enough with the whole "fishing for reasons to report my ideological opponent" thing. Now, angry NSGers will have an even more ridiculous way of getting their detractors the nasty red text, for instance by seeing if someone has ever used the dreaded n-word in roleplay or something nearly 20 years ago.

On a separate note, if you're an RPer and you haven't moved to another medium for general worldbuilding or at the very least backed your stuff up, you're wrong. The most innocuous things from 15 years ago are going to be the swastikas of the future, and that's not even a purely NS-thing; Max Barry is a publicly known author and cancel-able, and with the purity spiral of modern culture, you will be in the sights eventually.


You could have reduced all of that by simply stating something the lines of;

Rules and views change overtime. What is needed is a little leeway by granting a person a chance to correct or delete offending material which later violates rules.


Not everyone is interested in boiling their opinions or commentary down to bullet points, or perhaps even one or two words. So instead, you could have just made that point independent of the entirely unhelpful and pedantic commentary towards GWO. As the OP, please bring something contributing to the conversation, or be unhelpful and pedantic elsewhere, thanks. I'm trying to keep this thread on-topic, and not derailed like others have been.
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Postby The Second Order of Life » Wed May 03, 2023 11:51 am

Kasja wrote:-snip for brevity-


In their defence, the comment they responded to was unnecessary and prone to derailing the conversation itself.
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Postby Kasja » Wed May 03, 2023 11:59 am

Sometimes we should all take a minute and ask ourselves, "do I really need to post something here?" People need to do that more often.

The Second Order of Life wrote:In their defence, the comment they responded to was unnecessary and prone to derailing the conversation itself.


GWO was talking about retroactive rule enforcement (the topic of this thread) by bringing up a very good point about how cancel-culture can and will swing into everyone's sights at one point or another, and that moving your worldbuilding and back-ups offsite is a sure-fire way to save yourself from suffering a fate like Kraven's and losing 20 years of content. Given this is a discussion thread about rule changes and retroactive enforcement, his comment was entirely on-topic and welcome.

Edit for TSOL to save extra posts: As I stated in the OP and other posts, this thread isn't specific to the major incident, but rather a response to it. My original questions and the discussion I am encouraging we have was around how rule changes and retroactive enforcement affect the community as a whole. So while your point stands regarding Kraven specifically, I was talking about the general point, as was GWO.
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Postby The Second Order of Life » Wed May 03, 2023 12:16 pm

Kasja wrote:Sometimes we should all take a minute and ask ourselves, "do I really need to post something here?" People need to do that more often.

The Second Order of Life wrote:In their defence, the comment they responded to was unnecessary and prone to derailing the conversation itself.


GWO was talking about retroactive rule enforcement (the topic of this thread) by bringing up a very good point about how cancel-culture can and will swing into everyone's sights at one point or another, and that moving your worldbuilding and back-ups offsite is a sure-fire way to save yourself from suffering a fate like Kraven's and losing 20 years of content. Given this is a discussion thread about rule changes and retroactive enforcement, his comment was entirely on-topic and welcome.


I'm not entirely sure how fearmongering on the future of mankind and cancel culture adds anything to this discussion of a peculiar and highly unusual event that can and probably will be corrected by staff, but if you see that connection, more power to you.
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Postby Nyte » Wed May 03, 2023 12:20 pm

Kasja wrote:Sometimes we should all take a minute and ask ourselves, "do I really need to post something here?" People need to do that more often.

The Second Order of Life wrote:In their defence, the comment they responded to was unnecessary and prone to derailing the conversation itself.


GWO was talking about retroactive rule enforcement (the topic of this thread) by bringing up a very good point about how cancel-culture can and will swing into everyone's sights at one point or another, and that moving your worldbuilding and back-ups offsite is a sure-fire way to save yourself from suffering a fate like Kraven's and losing 20 years of content. Given this is a discussion thread about rule changes and retroactive enforcement, his comment was entirely on-topic and welcome.


https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534440 I asked about this myself several days ago on the included thread. If you get Kraven'd, and don't have a back-up of all your work elsewhere like Kraven didn't have any back-ups apparently, kiss it all goodbye. Even though they have all of your IP in a folder or something in their evidence locker or whatever they call it, much like herewith the wider situation we're on about, they're too busy to make a copy and give it to you. So yeah, this is a valid concern seeing as cancel culture is now alive and well on NS apparently.

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Kasja wrote:Sometimes we should all take a minute and ask ourselves, "do I really need to post something here?" People need to do that more often.



GWO was talking about retroactive rule enforcement (the topic of this thread) by bringing up a very good point about how cancel-culture can and will swing into everyone's sights at one point or another, and that moving your worldbuilding and back-ups offsite is a sure-fire way to save yourself from suffering a fate like Kraven's and losing 20 years of content. Given this is a discussion thread about rule changes and retroactive enforcement, his comment was entirely on-topic and welcome.


I'm not entirely sure how fearmongering on the future of mankind and cancel culture adds anything to this discussion of a peculiar and highly unusual event that can and probably will be corrected by staff, but if you see that connection, more power to you.


Is it unusual though? Or are we only just learning about it now as it was done to someone who was popular enough that people noticed? We have no way of knowing whether or not that's the case, and some of us would like to know that years of our effort, work, and IP is not at risk because of [X].
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 04, 2023 9:39 am

The Second Order of Life wrote:
Kasja wrote:Sometimes we should all take a minute and ask ourselves, "do I really need to post something here?" People need to do that more often.



GWO was talking about retroactive rule enforcement (the topic of this thread) by bringing up a very good point about how cancel-culture can and will swing into everyone's sights at one point or another, and that moving your worldbuilding and back-ups offsite is a sure-fire way to save yourself from suffering a fate like Kraven's and losing 20 years of content. Given this is a discussion thread about rule changes and retroactive enforcement, his comment was entirely on-topic and welcome.


I'm not entirely sure how fearmongering on the future of mankind and cancel culture adds anything to this discussion of a peculiar and highly unusual event that can and probably will be corrected by staff, but if you see that connection, more power to you.


Exactly. Sometimes valid points are lost in the anger and accusations. The mods have said it’s currently being discussed. Much as people want it instantly resolved; there are time zones, work, and RL issues which can cause delay.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 04, 2023 9:45 am

Nyte wrote:Is it unusual though? Or are we only just learning about it now as it was done to someone who was popular enough that people noticed? We have no way of knowing whether or not that's the case, and some of us would like to know that years of our effort, work, and IP is not at risk because of [X].


Actually?…..it is. I have been here a very long time. I can’t think of an instance were there were claims of a user being deleted simply because of previous content. I haven’t seen an “official” statement as to the action. I suspect that will probably happen when the mods finish talking.

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Postby Dephire » Mon May 08, 2023 10:43 am

Per this recent thread, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534773, how is Kraven's ban still being discussed if grandfather clauses on the forum rules do exist?
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Postby United Calanworie » Mon May 08, 2023 12:16 pm

Dephire wrote:Per this recent thread, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534773, how is Kraven's ban still being discussed if grandfather clauses on the forum rules do exist?

Note the "reasonable observer" portion of Luna's statement. We are effectively having a debate in the modlair over whether or not his content, to a reasonable observer, violated the rules.
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Postby Dephire » Mon May 08, 2023 12:44 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Dephire wrote:Per this recent thread, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534773, how is Kraven's ban still being discussed if grandfather clauses on the forum rules do exist?

Note the "reasonable observer" portion of Luna's statement. We are effectively having a debate in the modlair over whether or not his content, to a reasonable observer, violated the rules.


That now seems a bit nit-picky. What would one define as a reasonable observer? A casual run of the mill person who doesn't have a NS account but has the same power to report and effectively have a longstanding member of the NS community banned without warning? It's strange how one can evoke "grandfathering" when it comes to naming rules, but not when it comes to posts that the mods are obviously grave-digging for some sort of way to keep someone banned. The inconsistency is killing this community for sure. Don't think that's an overreaction as that's been the discussion off-site due to fear of someone getting their feelings hurt and warning/banning us.

As mentioned in other previous comments, if the mods are going to go after someone retroactively for posts/dispatches/whatever from YEARS ago (prior to several rules being established) then you best start looking at every nation prior to what... 2021 or whenever? You would most likely lose most of your pre-2010 player base for sure.

There has been sufficient evidence given that this has been a farse and almost bends on the levels of discrimination. We never wished to bring the ire of the mods against us. We just wanted to RP our own little bit of the world that the community has helped us create. Now to go through such stretches just to keep someone banned through retroactive enforcement over content nearly a decade or two old... Just shame really. Been on this site two years and four months shy of 20 years total. I have never seen such insanity on this site, and I've seen some crazy things.
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Postby United Calanworie » Mon May 08, 2023 12:50 pm

You may be interested in reading more about the endorsement test, from where the phrase "reasonable observer" is considered to stem.
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Postby Velstrania » Mon May 08, 2023 1:02 pm

United Calanworie wrote:You may be interested in reading more about the endorsement test, from where the phrase "reasonable observer" is considered to stem.

I have read about the endorsement test before, and it makes perfect sense in the context in which it's used. I would say however that its applicability here is questionable, due to the variability of the people who may see the content being posted.
What is a reasonable observer of the rp forums? Someone reading completely without context surely wouldn't be, as it takes only very mimimal digging to work out that it's being posted on an rp forum.
As a reasonable observer would therefore know that it's an rp forum, it becomes clear to them that what is being discussed is a work of fiction. Having read quite a lot of Kraven's posting, it's obvious to me that he isn't an edgy teen or neo-nazi acting out his fantasies; maybe however as I've been on ns for 14 years and know who I'm talking about that doesn't make me a reasonable observer? I think quite a few people may be interested to know where the line is drawn however.

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Postby United Calanworie » Mon May 08, 2023 1:03 pm

Velstrania wrote:I think quite a few people may be interested to know where the line is drawn however.

We will let you know when we draw it. The discussion is still ongoing.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon May 08, 2023 1:24 pm

I think a good question to ask along those lines as well is what would constitute a reasonable observation in the case of a person viewing an NS nation? A reasonable observer, naturally, isn't infallible, and may for instance not notice or review a given nation's factbooks, or not read in-between the lines or even miss something blatant that clarifies such matters about the actual nature of a player's nation, and may see only the surface-level presentation or only what they didn't miss; technically, that could be seen on its own as a reasonable observation, especially if we go off the wikipedia article where the term "reasonable observer" stems from - after all, it's meaning there is based off perception alone. It's worthwhile to be very careful regarding this, because there could be an overcorrection in policy - in either direction - which could very well harm the player base.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon May 08, 2023 2:42 pm

Dephire wrote:Per this recent thread, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534773, how is Kraven's ban still being discussed if grandfather clauses on the forum rules do exist?

This thread isn't to debate Kraven's deletion (the player isn't banned from anything), or the ongoing discussion regarding the same. You're also misunderstanding Luna's post - game mechanics literally prevent nation names from including "nazi" in them now. This was not always the case. Nazi Flower Power is grandfathered from that mechanic. With respect to the rule, the decision was made at the time to purge many nations that violated the malicious content rule. It was determined that Nazi Flower Power was not one of those nations. If Nazi Flower Power started posting materials in violation of the malicious content rule, then the nation would be dealt with accordingly.

Torrocca wrote:I think a good question to ask along those lines as well is what would constitute a reasonable observation in the case of a person viewing an NS nation? A reasonable observer, naturally, isn't infallible, and may for instance not notice or review a given nation's factbooks, or not read in-between the lines or even miss something blatant that clarifies such matters about the actual nature of a player's nation, and may see only the surface-level presentation or only what they didn't miss; technically, that could be seen on its own as a reasonable observation, especially if we go off the wikipedia article where the term "reasonable observer" stems from - after all, it's meaning there is based off perception alone. It's worthwhile to be very careful regarding this, because there could be an overcorrection in policy - in either direction - which could very well harm the player base.

This thread also isn't meant to get into the weeds on the standard for general implementation of moderator action.
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Postby Nyte » Mon May 08, 2023 3:39 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Dephire wrote:Per this recent thread, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=534773, how is Kraven's ban still being discussed if grandfather clauses on the forum rules do exist?

This thread isn't to debate Kraven's deletion (the player isn't banned from anything), or the ongoing discussion regarding the same. You're also misunderstanding Luna's post - game mechanics literally prevent nation names from including "nazi" in them now. This was not always the case. Nazi Flower Power is grandfathered from that mechanic. With respect to the rule, the decision was made at the time to purge many nations that violated the malicious content rule. It was determined that Nazi Flower Power was not one of those nations. If Nazi Flower Power started posting materials in violation of the malicious content rule, then the nation would be dealt with accordingly.

Torrocca wrote:I think a good question to ask along those lines as well is what would constitute a reasonable observation in the case of a person viewing an NS nation? A reasonable observer, naturally, isn't infallible, and may for instance not notice or review a given nation's factbooks, or not read in-between the lines or even miss something blatant that clarifies such matters about the actual nature of a player's nation, and may see only the surface-level presentation or only what they didn't miss; technically, that could be seen on its own as a reasonable observation, especially if we go off the wikipedia article where the term "reasonable observer" stems from - after all, it's meaning there is based off perception alone. It's worthwhile to be very careful regarding this, because there could be an overcorrection in policy - in either direction - which could very well harm the player base.

This thread also isn't meant to get into the weeds on the standard for general implementation of moderator action.


Respectfully, I disagree with your final statement. This whole debate has stemmed from what is perceived to be a lack of standards for the general implementation of moderation enforcing the rules, and their actions against the RP community. We now have dubious retroactive rules enforcement hanging over our heads like a proverbial Sword of Damocles by people who, many of us in the community, lack any more faith in maintaining any reasonable standards. Many of us have been here long enough to have seen the pattern here. We have people in this thread bringing up legitimate concerns that are brushed aside and downplayed by members of moderation, or are met with borderline disdain or insult by calling their concerns and/or questions stupid... We have varying degrees of professionalism and at times a lack thereof. We have blatant signs of a multi-tiered "rules for thee, but not for me" system on display. The list goes on and on. Members of moderation have basically said they DEATed Kraven because they didn't feel like taking the time to go through his long history of work and do the job they volunteered to do, so they DEATed him because it was easier for them to do so than to do their actual job, AND they couldn't even give him the courtesy of contacting him in any way first for a chance to defend himself, or do their job for them and outright avoid all this ever being an issue in the first place. How busy are you in moderation that typing out an e-mail, or an in-game TG that would take 60 seconds is unfeasible or too much effort? Or, how little human decency or respect is there among the moderation team for the rest of us that this is deemed to be respectable or reasonable in any way, shape, or form?
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Postby United Calanworie » Mon May 08, 2023 7:24 pm

A bad faith post from Querria has been split out to the evidence locker.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon May 08, 2023 7:34 pm

United Calanworie wrote:A bad faith post from Querria has been split out to the evidence locker.

Wasn't that post pro-moderation, though?

(I don't remember the exact contents, so please pardon me.)

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Postby United Calanworie » Mon May 08, 2023 7:36 pm

La Xinga wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:A bad faith post from Querria has been split out to the evidence locker.

Wasn't that post pro-moderation, though?

(I don't remember the exact contents, so please pardon me.)

Whether or not it was is irrelevant, the relevant part was that it was bad faith. From the OSRS:
Bad Faith: It is expected that players post with the intent of making the site a better, more enjoyable place to be - this is good faith posting. Bad faith posting is when a person is no longer interested in this goal, and instead seeks to score points, contributes nothing useful, or is deceitful.
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Postby Querria » Mon May 08, 2023 8:12 pm

La Xinga wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:A bad faith post from Querria has been split out to the evidence locker.

Wasn't that post pro-moderation, though?

(I don't remember the exact contents, so please pardon me.)


The removed post was a reply to original poster and said the OP was expecting too much from moderation. To add onto this; It seems like too much work for no reason to go through a poster's history from 10 years and apply punishments for minor infractions.

I am unable to do much about the removal of my previous post if asking any moderation staff to navigate through a decade's worth of posting history of an internet forum every time they are supposed to message a nation on any subject matter is considered 'bad faith posting' on NS. The opinion I have is my own, and I will not change it just because somebody tells me I am a bad poster. I guess it is a lesson learned. Would it be possible for me to make such an opinion... on a better basis?

In case it's unclear, I was focusing on the first question in the above. The rest of the text looked interesting, but I was tired and didn't have the energy to read it. I shall now take the time to reply to the rest of the OP.

Regarding question 2 & 3 without derailing the thread, Naziism is an idiotic ideology akin to communism which can give anybody with a IQ higher than room furniture a neural arrest to think about. It's a nationalist redefinition of socialism, and advocates a person or state can use violence against people to achieve something better (for "the common good") or just because others are better better by birth which is fucking stupid. It's rightly banned.

Fourth, refer to above. Advocacy of Communism and the displays of it's symbols is unfortunately still allowed due to personal bias from those in charge.
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