[Q] RMB Recruitment in Frontiers

[Waterfall State]

I was wondering if there will be any changes to the RMB Recruitment rules now that F/S is out, specifically:

Will Frontiers be subject to the same regional RMB Recruitment Rules as GCRs? (aka only 1 rmb recruitment post/day or every 10 posts)

I know this is strange that the question is coming from me but was wondering.

[Sedgistan]

I think we'd like to see a range of opinions from players too, not just to deliver a mod ruling from on high.

RMB recruitment is pointless anyway at this point, and it may be simpler to ban the practice everywhere rather than allow more pointless spam.

[Waterfall State]

In that case my opinion that it is pointless to allow it since it is the normal policy of all GCRs and most regions (from what I know) that RMB recruitment gets suppressed and said offending nation banned from the region.

I suspect that it will still be the responsibility of ROs with communications/border control to suppress said posts, but thats just me and I am fine if this is how its decided it will be done as there is better use for moderation time.

[Flanderlion]

I think we'd like to see a range of opinions from players too, not just to deliver a mod ruling from on high.

RMB recruitment is pointless anyway at this point, and it may be simpler to ban the practice everywhere rather than allow more pointless spam.

I'd like it to be the same. I don't mind if it's 0 or 1 post a day, but I don't think there should be a game enforced difference of recruitment spam between GCRs and Frontiers.

It has a purpose, which is to annoy the inhabitants of the target region. I personally think (as much as we've been pestered for almost a decade from it) that it should be 1 a day, as often coup/opposition spam is fairly easily argued that it's recruitment spam.

[Frisbeeteria]

In my experience answering Getting Help requests, the only ones that have been reported in the past few years have been new players and egregious spammers - i.e posting 20 ads in every feeder on their first day. If there is other annoyance recruiting taking place, the ROs must be handling it.

Since RMB posting is entirely ineffective, I could see it go either way. If we want to allow it, we may need to revisit how the rule works if a region is transitioning between roles.

[The North Polish Union]

In my opinion the same rules for RMB recruitment should apply to frontiers as they do to the current feeders. I don't see any reason for the existing rules with respect to feeders to be changed.

[Reventus Koth]

"If you spawn, recruitment is on". That's my input in a nutshell, if you're looking for more opinions.

[Madjack]

"If you spawn, recruitment is on". That's my input in a nutshell, if you're looking for more opinions.

In my opinion the same rules for RMB recruitment should apply to frontiers as they do to the current feeders. I don't see any reason for the existing rules with respect to feeders to be changed.

Essentially where I'm at. RMB recruitment is The North Pacific is rare enough as it is - maybe two or three a week at most - that I don't see it being any more frequent in Frontier RMBs, and as populations slowly equalise, the normal post to recruitment post ratio should also roughly equalise.

[Tim Stark]

Either allow it on Frontier RMBs, or ban it entirely. Having Feeders/Sinkers permit it, but not having other spawners permit it doesn't make sense.

I'd personally be fine seeing it go away entirely, since it's ineffective and obnoxious. However, if it stays then Frontiers should have it.

[Ambrella]

Either allow it on Frontier RMBs, or ban it entirely. Having Feeders/Sinkers permit it, but not having other spawners permit it doesn't make sense.

I'd personally be fine seeing it go away entirely, since it's ineffective and obnoxious. However, if it stays then Frontiers should have it.

Agree, and I'd rather just be rid of it.

[Hesskin Empire]

Personally I would rather just ban it as a practice, it is inefficient and something that the playerbase has either given up or actively tries to stop. If you really want to target a specific regions you got ways to do that via telegrams as well.

If we don't get rid of it make it any region that is actively gaining new nations be under the same rules.

That's my two cents at least.

[Fort Concord]

Either allow it on Frontier RMBs, or ban it entirely. Having Feeders/Sinkers permit it, but not having other spawners permit it doesn't make sense.

I'd personally be fine seeing it go away entirely, since it's ineffective and obnoxious. However, if it stays then Frontiers should have it.

Basically my view ^

I don't really care if it's allowed in Frontiers but I will be addressing it with the full force of the ban button when it comes around... and from what I can tell, it's not really considered good etiquette (or remotely useful/effective!) to recruit on RMBs, so banning it wouldn't do harm.

[Wymondham]

Given how pointless the practice is it ought to be banned entirely imo, it's very much a relic of a bygone era that is just no longer compatible with how recruitment works on modern NS.

[Sorbians]

I agree with the Mantatee flag nation, we should ban it outright. Its nothing but a form of spam that doesn't work.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I agree with the Mantatee flag nation, we should ban it outright. Its nothing but a form of spam that doesn't work.

Is it the type of spam that warrants moderator intervention though, or can regions handle it themselves (excepting extraordinary cases of spam, which get reported to us anyways)?

[Haganham]

RMB recruitment is pointless anyway at this point, and it may be simpler to ban the practice everywhere rather than allow more pointless spam.

Came here to post this. However if pointless recruiting in GCRs is going to be permitted then it should be permitted in Frontiers just as it is in GCRs. Part of the price you pay for getting spawns is being subject to recruitment efforts.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I agree with the Mantatee flag nation, we should ban it outright. Its nothing but a form of spam that doesn't work.

Is it the type of spam that warrants moderator intervention though, or can regions handle it themselves (excepting extraordinary cases of spam, which get reported to us anyways)?

Probably something the regions could deal with tbh. It's annoying, but ultimately it's about as bad as RMB shitposters, in that they may piss people off; but there really is no reason to ban it and waste moderator time.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I agree with the Mantatee flag nation, we should ban it outright. Its nothing but a form of spam that doesn't work.

Is it the type of spam that warrants moderator intervention though, or can regions handle it themselves (excepting extraordinary cases of spam, which get reported to us anyways)?

I can only think of one occasion in recent months where I reported a recruiter for not following the RMB recruitment rules - suppress and banject is the order of the day in TWP. And where it spills over into extreme spam call in the Moderation cavalry.

If it's going to continue to be allowed then Frontiers should have to suffer it as well in my opinion. Sauce for the goose....

[Quebecshire]

I agree with the Mantatee flag nation, we should ban it outright. Its nothing but a form of spam that doesn't work.

Is it the type of spam that warrants moderator intervention though, or can regions handle it themselves (excepting extraordinary cases of spam, which get reported to us anyways)?

In normal cases, ROs can probably handle it themselves.

If it's going to continue to be allowed then Frontiers should have to suffer it as well in my opinion. Sauce for the goose....

I mean, we could just get rid of it across the board. Like Wym said further up, it's not really compatible with how modern recruitment works whatsoever... you just get suppressed/banned/make no friends/get no recruits out of it.

[Jellian Federation]

It sounds fair to allow recruitment in places where there is spawn.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
And it’s always possible to revisit if the spam becomes too much.
Why not at least give it a try.

[Juansonia]

Maybe require feeders and frontiers allow RMB recruitment, but let them limit the amount (of recruitments by region x in region y) to twice every month?

[Lemmingtopias]

People have been dealing with RMB recruitment spam themselves for a long time now. Why do Mods need to be given more work all of a sudden?

[Jellian Federation]

Maybe require feeders and frontiers allow RMB recruitment, but let them limit the amount (of recruitments by region x in region y) to twice every month?

Or maybe give them control of how much spawn there is and give them recruitment hosting responsibility proportional to that.

[Frisbeeteria]

limit the amount to twice every month?

give them control of how much spawn there is

You're talking about either sophisticated programming or massive moderator intervention. Both are non-starters. We can't write AI code that can tell the difference between a normal RMB post and a recruiting post. We're not going to add a rule that causes mods to review the entire post history of potential offenders.

The Regional Officers have been handling spam for years. I propose that we formalize that role, and mods should only step in for egregious spammy or multi-regional spam recruiting. It also wouldn't hurt to tell newbies (the main offenders) that regional ads are pointless. Suppress and eject them. Send them a TG. Do something.

[Juansonia]

limit the amount to twice every month?

give them control of how much spawn there is

You're talking about either sophisticated programming or massive moderator intervention. Both are non-starters. We can't write AI code that can tell the difference between a normal RMB post and a recruiting post. We're not going to add a rule that causes mods to review the entire post history of potential offenders.

Just require recruitment posts be tagged as such, and add a way to tag RMB posts as recruitment. Isn't that how TG Recruitment is identified for filtering?